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#41
To be honest, its uncommon for me to be completely satisfied with Grindcore.

But when Grind musicians do reach that point, it is a bestial force to behold.

Lately my grind fixes have still been Gridlink and Naked Whipper with some Anaal thrown in.

And Scurvy!

Can't believe I forgot Scurvy.
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#42
Quote by Slaytanic1993
I wasn't talking about your sig, I never read 'em anyways.

Don't think you think you know what I'm thinking about.


Well then where did you get the idea that i'm an elitist? All I said was that grindcore should be taken to the hardcore forum if metalcore is too. They both have the same mix principle so why not?
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#43
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Well then where did you get the idea that i'm an elitist? All I said was that grindcore should be taken to the hardcore forum if metalcore is too. They both have the same mix principle so why not?


Principle and practice are very different.
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#44
Quote by isabiggles
The sig is a joke.

Don't take it at face value.


War metal doesn't exist. Most of it is just blackened thrash or something. Stop making up ridiculous genres.

it does exists, you clearly have never heard it since it is black/death, not thrash per se.
#45
Quote by VampireGoldfish
Principle and practice are very different.


Metalcore sucks, Grindcore doesn't.

For gods sake don't bring metalcore here. Again i'm not complaining as I like grindcore but I was merely creating a motion for debate that's all.
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#46
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it does exists, you clearly have never heard it since it is black/death, not thrash per se.


No it doesn't exists i'm afraid.

Death/black is generally just called blackened death or if it's black/thrash, blackened thrash.

War metal? Might as well start calling things pirate metal or battle metal or goblin metal.

I think its hilarious when people don't acknowledge the existence of War Metal.

Its been around for a long ass time.


So have Running Wild with 'pirate metal' but really?
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#47
Quote by VampireGoldfish
War Metal is not just Death/Black.
Really its more Black/Grind but is in no way sonically limited to that combination, its so much more then just a simple congregation of genres.

Blasphemy, Conqueror, early Impaled Nazarene etc have a sound you CANNOT call Death, Black, or Grind.

Which is why they have their own genre.

Seriously, how long have you been listening to Metal?

Because I've been hearing/using War Metal since 95...


Age card is irrelevant, I know guys who have been listening to metal from the beggining and still think Led Zeppelin and Guns n Roses are metal. I'm listening to Blasphemy now. It's just black metal with touches of grind/death. Again, terms may have been around for a long time but that doesn't neccesarily make them true.

War Metal is as much as a genre as Folk Metal.


not really. Again it's just blackened grind/death or thrash.

But their sound can easily be placed in their respective genres, Heavy and Power Metal.

War Metal bands, cannot.


Yep, you can slot it right into blackened (insert death, grind or black here).
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#48
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Grindcore is punk. Punk metalheads often like. Don't confuse it with metalcore.

Considering what the originators were influenced by, I'd consider grindcore to be a crossover genre. Yes, you could argue that the music is hardcore despite the extreme metal influence (also considering extreme metal itself is more hardcore in nature than "pure" metal,) but I myself don't consider music to be like a mathematical equation where one could say "3/4ths hardcore, 1/4th metal." If the music itself is closer to what is consider extreme metal, which most grind since the late '80s has been, I'd say it being here is just fine.
#49
If that's how terms started out as, they're true. War metal's old as VG said, did it start out being called War Metal?

Most likely. I really wouldn't know, but this whole arguement is pointless.

Insect Warfare was fucking awesome though
#50
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not really. Again it's just blackened grind/death or thrash.


And Folk is just Metal with flutes.


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#51
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I don't notice a difference between powerviolence and grindcore. Is it even shorter and faster?


Powerviolence is spazzier and tends to reject metal influences for more thrash based riffs. Thrash the subgenre of hardcore, not thrash metal. It usually has more and more dramatic tempo changes then other grindcore. Spazz, Charles Bronson, Duke Nukem Forever, Man Is The Bastard et al.

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Metalcore sucks, Grindcore doesn't.


Metalcore only sucks if you listen to crappy metalcore. Converge and Shai Hulud are better then 99.9% of metal.

Re: War metal. War metal is black metal that draws on grindcore, crust punk, thrash metal and death metal and tends to focus on aggression over atmosphere. 'Brutal black metal' if you like.
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#52
Quote by VampireGoldfish
And Folk is just Metal with flutes.


DO YOU SEE


.. no, it's not. Folk metal is metal with folk influence. That's fact. 'War metal' is just black with death or thrash or grind influences.

Most likely. I really wouldn't know, but this whole arguement is pointless.


Arguments aren't pointless. You get to share your views with other people and debate them. They become pointless when it becomes a case of 'NO U!'
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#53
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If that's how terms started out as, they're true. War metal's old as VG said, did it start out being called War Metal?

Most likely. I really wouldn't know, but this whole arguement is pointless.

Insect Warfare was fucking awesome though


Which is why I deleted all my pointless responses.

But anyways, back to Grind.
Like, Grinding Messiah's mom.

What really got me into Grind back in the day was Repulsion. Something about that constant bombastic unrelenting and unforgiving sound opened up grinds appeal to me.
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Vi doede ikke... vi har aldri levd
Barbarism is the natural state of mankind
Civilization is unnatural

It is a whim of circumstance
an unenlightened one
#54
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.. no, it's not. Folk metal is metal with folk influence. That's fact. 'War metal' is just black with death or thrash or grind influences.


....
A heathen, conceivably
but not,

I hope,
I’m not ashamed to be white
Vi doede ikke... vi har aldri levd
Barbarism is the natural state of mankind
Civilization is unnatural

It is a whim of circumstance
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#55
I got into grind listening to brutal death metal with grind influence slapped in there. Benighted do it well and I like Trap Them too. Napalm Death's new one is pretty damn awesome too, they certainly haven't lost it.

....


I hate this site's tendancy to be unable to have a decent debate for more than a page
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#56
Quote by STABxYOU
Powerviolence is spazzier and tends to reject metal influences for more thrash based riffs. Thrash the subgenre of hardcore, not thrash metal. It usually has more and more dramatic tempo changes then other grindcore. Spazz, Charles Bronson, Duke Nukem Forever, Man Is The Bastard et al.


Never much been into Powerviolence, I've heard my fair share but can't really care much for it.

A few bands here and there catch my eye though, early Crom comes to mind.


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Metalcore only sucks if you listen to crappy metalcore. Converge and Shai Hulud are better then 99.9% of metal.


Same goes for True Metalcore.
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#57
Grindcore is one of those genres I could only take in small doses, then one day it just clicked.

Anyways, while they don't play grindcore anymore, any love for old The Locust?



This EP is 7 minutes of amazing.

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Same goes for True Metalcore.


I believe the rule of thumb is 95% of everything sucks.
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#58
Also apparently Napalm Death put on a pretty poor show.. is this right? These are from other sources. No fanboyism here, money is at stake.
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#59
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Metalcore only sucks if you listen to crappy metalcore. Converge and Shai Hulud are better then 99.9% of metal.


+many
#60
Quote by STABxYOU
Grindcore is one of those genres I could only take in small doses, then one day it just clicked.

Anyways, while they don't play grindcore anymore, any love for old The Locust?



This EP is 7 minutes of amazing.


listening to some samples.
#61
Never really got much into grind but I've been listening to a lot of Ivebeenshot lately and seeing this thread has piqued my interest. I'm currently obtaining some Repulsion, Brutal Truth and Insect Warfare. I'm gonna go back and listen to my old Pig Destroyer albums.

What other grind bands should I look into? I didn't care for Nasum much. And I'd like some grind bands that put a little more thought into songwriting and actually have songs more than just a minute in length.
#62
Quote by isabiggles
.. no, it's not. Folk metal is metal with folk influence. That's fact. 'War metal' is just black with death or thrash or grind influences.



Arguments aren't pointless. You get to share your views with other people and debate them. They become pointless when it becomes a case of 'NO U!'

I really don't think you're one to be making generalizations about War Metal if you hadn't even heard Blasphemy until earlier in this thread.

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Which is why I deleted all my pointless responses.

But anyways, back to Grind.
Like, Grinding Messiah's mom.


What really got me into Grind back in the day was Repulsion. Something about that constant bombastic unrelenting and unforgiving sound opened up grinds appeal to me.

Why do you guys keep bringing that up?
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#63
My favorite grind bands right now are Pig Destroyer, Rotten Sound, Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Nasum, Phobia, Splitter, and Atigama. I also like a lot of the heavier crust bands that sound pretty much borderline grind like Martyrdod, Skitsystem, and Sayyadina.
#64
Quote by Stoner0405
And I'd like some grind bands that put a little more thought into songwriting and actually have songs more than just a minute in length.


Shorter songs require just as much, if not more, thought then longer ones. It's alot harder to condense all your thoughts into 16 seconds.
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#65
I really don't think you're one to be making generalizations about War Metal if you hadn't even heard Blasphemy until earlier in this thread.


Nope I bought 'Gods of War' last year. I just replayed it to make sure it was infact black metal.
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#66
I would agree that Blasphemy are actually, at heart, Black Metal, but listen to something like Conqueror or Revenge, you surely can't classify that as Black Metal. If anything it's closer to Grindcore than Black Metal.
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#67
Since everyone's all distracted by war metal... Profanatica, Witch Tomb, Martyrvore.
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#68
I'm confused... Isn't this the Grindcore thread?
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#69
Recommend me some seriously mind blowing grind. I don't listen to the genre at all, except for a few isolated essentials.

Show me your moves.
#70
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Recommend me some seriously mind blowing grind. I don't listen to the genre at all, except for a few isolated essentials.

Show me your moves.

Was that meant to be a Captain Falcon reference, or was that just an accident?

Repulsion, Blood (Ger), The Day Everything Became Nothing, Gridlink, ****... I'm Dead, Impetigo, Insect Warfare, Kill the Client, Multiplex, Mumakil, Nasum, Necrophil, Nuctemeron (Bra), Prophecy of Doom, Regurgitate, Terrorizer.
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#71
Definitely a reference.

Only ones I know are Prophecy of Doom, Repulsion, and Blood. I'll get on it.
#72
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Recommend me some seriously mind blowing grind. I don't listen to the genre at all, except for a few isolated essentials.

Show me your moves.


I made a huge list on page 1. But I'll strip it to my most favourite...

Magrudergrind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJG8i8j-SkY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOe3MCq9Jl0
Insect Warfare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVb9WrUfasY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq3evYchAMk
Pig Destroyer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqI_xrEOi4s
Benumb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW0z6ZF0BYQ

And, because I am still their #1 fanboy...

Orchid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSdSInnErg0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpS_1Mx78S8
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#73
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I'm confused... Isn't this the Grindcore thread?


*Looks at title..*

woops.
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#74
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No it doesn't exists i'm afraid.

Death/black is generally just called blackened death or if it's black/thrash, blackened thrash.

War metal? Might as well start calling things pirate metal or battle metal or goblin metal.


So have Running Wild with 'pirate metal' but really?

Blackened death is a really gay term (just call it black/death ffs), and the stuff that gets called that is nothign like War Metal. if you're gonna balk at the term War Metal, then Balckened Death is just as bad by your logic. Plus, by comparing it to Pirate or Battle metal you're drawing the conclusion that it is a loose confederacy of topic - linked bands, which it is not, lyrical content is not the main component in defining War metal.

I'm seeing Repulsion on Sunday. I am, like totally, psyched.
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#75
Anyways, while they don't play grindcore anymore, any love for old The Locust?

The Locust is weird as f-ck. I don't like them all the time, but when I do they are amazing.
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#76
No love for Citizen or Abaddon Incarnate?
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#77
I've heard of Abaddon Incarnate, haven't heard though.

The Locust era with Teenage Moustache is pure shit.
#78
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Arguments aren't pointless. You get to share your views with other people and debate them. They become pointless when it becomes a case of 'NO U!'


Can you read? I said "THIS arguement is pointless"

#79
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Can you read? I said "THIS arguement is pointless"



How is it a pointless argument? I don't get why everyone on this site is so argument sensitive. Arguing is natural.

Blackened death is a really gay term (just call it black/death ffs), and the stuff that gets called that is nothign like War Metal.


You mean like Blasphemy? Blasphemy are supposedly a 'war metal' band but are just black metal with a little influence here and there with war as a lyrical theme.

if you're gonna balk at the term War Metal, then Balckened Death is just as bad by your logic.


What? That post makes no sense at all. Blackened death is an accurate description of the music whereas war metal isn't as it's just based off a lyrical theme.
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#80
Dude, stop trying to drum up arguments.
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