#1
I've been looking into getting a strat for cleans as the only guitars I have have EMG's in them. I was set on getting an MIA fender strat but then I saw these charvel's and well I kinda just fell in love with the look of them. I'm going to try and get to a shop I know stocks them in the next few weeks if I can find the time (it's a bit of a trip there) but for now I would like to know if anyone has had any experience with either of them and could tell me how they found them. also I would like to know how they handle cleans as this was the main reason behind getting a new guitar. I was going for a strat because I wanted to get some versatility and get some nice tones for funk, blues, jazz and so on kinda stuff

the So cal


and the San Dimas
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#2
Depends on the sound you're going for. The So-Cal will give you more a a steve vai sound and can eve ndo some pretty good Van Halen brown sound. The San Dimas will give more a standard hard rock and classic metal (a la Randy Rhoads) sound. They should play the same so it depends on what your ears like.

*edit*

These guitars will not give a standard strat sound as you're looking for. They are not single coil guitars.
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#3
I know nothing of Charvels or their sounds, but lookswise, I like the white San Dimas and the black So Cal.
#4
Yeah I know there not going to sound like a standard strat but wondered if they would perhaps get close to it and just how versatile they would be?
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I know nothing of Charvels or their sounds, but lookswise, I like the white San Dimas and the black So Cal.


Asthetically yeah those are the sexiest looking
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#6
not going to get very close, the pickups are too different. you'd have to put in coil taps and if you're going to spend this much money, the guitar should sound exactly as you want it as is. and these are basically shred machines, not the most versatile kind of guitars...
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#7
I have the white San Dimas. It's what you want; the pickups are more versatile.

And "Fuzzle," the San Dimas is better for Brown Sound, although neither guitar is ideal without a pickup swap.

It's an incredible guitar, and while it's not quite a vintage Strat tone, you'll get the point when you get a hand around the neck; it's INCREDIBLE.

Edit: Everybody, it's going to sound more like a Strat than you're implying because of the tone woods and, more importantly, scale length. It's not a bad choice at all.

Double Edit: Well, it's designed as an out-and-out rock guitar (which it does incredibly), but the clean sounds are very good. Not so the SoCal because of its ceramic DiMarzio pickups, but the San Dimas does the job.

I have nothing but praise for the guitar. Buy it.

Triple Edit: I see you're in the UK.

There are only 10 UK dealers for Charvel. Each dealer only gets one of the custom colour models each. There are only 10 of each custom colour guitar in the UK. The black ones, however, are in full production and always available.

Check out the Charvel website to find your closest dealer.

Btw if that dealer happens to be MorMusic in York you'd better not be after the white San Dimas Style 1
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#8
haha yes I am in fact leaning more towards the white San Dimas as the pick ups will serve me better for the purposes I need it for and of course it looks sexy as ****. As for dealers I was planning on going to GuitarGuitar in Newcastle but York's Mormusic stock them you say, hmmm... lol
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York's Mormusic stock them you say, hmmm... lol

Not any more they don't
#10
Yeah I just had a look at the stock on there website they don't have the white any more I take it you brought it?
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Yeah I just had a look at the stock on there website they don't have the white any more I take it you brought it?

Yepp. And a good deal it was too
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#12
So Cal is the better of the two, by far. My friend has one.
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Depends on the sound you're going for. The So-Cal will give you more a a steve vai sound and can eve ndo some pretty good Van Halen brown sound. The San Dimas will give more a standard hard rock and classic metal (a la Randy Rhoads) sound. They should play the same so it depends on what your ears like.

*edit*

These guitars will not give a standard strat sound as you're looking for. They are not single coil guitars.


+1. I imagine the one with the Duncans will do cleans slightly better, as the '59 has quite decent cleans. But as Fuzzle says, neither will do single coil tones. The one with Dimarzios is routed HSH under the scratchplate, so that'd give you more options if you ever wanted to change the pickups, if you could find a correctly-sized scratchplate (or even just get one custom made), you'd have the option of HSS, HSH, HH, HS, SSS etc. pickup layouts...

However, try as many as you can, as I tried a bunch, and they all felt slightly different. There were certainly a couple which felt, and sounded, better than the others. I didn't really like them all that much, to be honest, lots of other people seem to like them, though, so I don't know what's going on there. The necks felt pretty similar to the necks on USA standard strats. EDIT: there was nothing wrong with them, as such, just nothing that screamed, "Buy me now!".

They have those new Asian-made Floyd Roses too, not the Schaller German-made ones. No idea if they're as good as the Schaller ones, but personally, I'm wary of them.
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The neck to me was the defining factor, and I have tried a USA Strat; frankly it felt nothing alike. The finish is more functional and less sticky and there's a compund radius on the thing that makes bending up high a breeze without compromising comfort at lower fret positions.
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So Cal is the better of the two, by far. My friend has one.

No justification.
Implication of bias.
Statement of opinion as fact.

Please post again with justification and explanation of how you came to this justification; they're the same guitar with slight differences in spec, namely neck pitch, pickups and the presence of a scratchplate. Neither one is "better," just different and better suited to certain purposes. For the OP's purposes the San Dimas is vastly superior.

If you argue back at this, please do it with reasonable justification of well-thought out opinion and try to emphathise with the opposite argument.
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#15
I agree, he didn't justify it.

if (big if) he's willing to swap pickups, the one with the dimarzios is arguably better as that'd allow for HSS (which means good dirt coupled with good cleans), but if not, i'd agree the duncan one is better for what he's after.
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if (big if) he's willing to swap pickups, the one with the dimarzios is arguably better as that'd allow for HSS (which means good dirt coupled with good cleans), but if not, i'd agree the duncan one is better for what he's after.

Agreed.

Then again, that's a very attractive Polar White finish
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if (big if) he's willing to swap pickups, the one with the dimarzios is arguably better as that'd allow for HSS (which means good dirt coupled with good cleans), but if not, i'd agree the duncan one is better for what he's after.

that is a good point, I may be willing too as that would be awesome but I'm going to have to have a big think about it and of course all will become much clearer when I've had a go on them
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#18
Sorry for not justifying why I like the SoCal better.

^^;;


but to me, the neck, the tone and the layout is just overall better to me.

I don't like Strat Shapes an extreme amount, but I personally like the SoCal better than the San Dimas. Also, the Colors it comes in are not to bad.

the tone was eally good, ( My friend swapped the pups for an Air Norton in the neck)

the San Dimas....it isn't my visual style, and it isn't my kind of guitar. I really like the tone of it, but to me, the SoCal is just an overall better guitar.

the neck feels amazing as well, super fast and completely smooth. amazing.

like I said, I like both, but the coCal is better to me than the San Dimas better.

I'd add more, but I have to leave for home.

sorry!
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Edit: ^Fair enough then. I would assume though that the differences in feel you experienced were specific to that very guitar as opposed to each model; a good bit of the guitar is actually hand-made! As for sounds though, I'd call that preference. That said, the JB is definitely thinner than the Tone Zone.

OP: You should also consider the neck pitch; I think it's the SoCal which has a smaller neck pocket angle and consequently a fairly different feel and Floyd setup; it's something you'll have to make a judgement on based on the opinions you come away with having tried both.
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#20
^^ no worries, kai, if you like it better, that's fair enough. Just saying you liked it better doesn't give any more info, if you can justify it, that's fine.

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The neck to me was the defining factor, and I have tried a USA Strat; frankly it felt nothing alike. The finish is more functional and less sticky and there's a compund radius on the thing that makes bending up high a breeze without compromising comfort at lower fret positions.


to be fair, my assessment that it felt like a fender USA standard strat wasn't based on trying the two head to head- more the vibe it gave off. it reminded me of a fender USA standard neck. I could be way off. I rarely notice much difference with compound radius necks either.


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Agreed.

Then again, that's a very attractive Polar White finish


yeah, the white's the coolest finish by a country mile. the chrome hardware helps too. all the other colours are kind of a strange shade- you think a red superstrat would be awesome, for example, but then see the shade of red they picked, and it's like " "

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that is a good point, I may be willing too as that would be awesome but I'm going to have to have a big think about it and of course all will become much clearer when I've had a go on them


yeah, trying them is the best idea. As I said, don't be afraid of trying more than one of the same model, if the shop has several of them- you may like one more than the others, even if it's the same model.
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