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#41
As much as I think punk is usually mediocre music, metal would be completely different today if it hadn't been influenced by punk. I don't know much about grindcore to be honest, but bands like Napalm Death and Pig Destroyer are obviously play in a very punk-like style of metal.
#42
I actually agree with you there, i'm just saying that there's undeniable influence - quite a bit of it.

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#44
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWaf7A5sYwc&feature=related

There's a prime example of grindcore that isn't metal...


Well, yeah, I suppose so. What sets that aside from just crust punk besides the fact that it's just thrashier?
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#45
Quote by linfield4466
Well, yeah, I suppose so. What sets that aside from just crust punk besides the fact that it's just thrashier?


Grindcore = Hardcore x10

Please, dont make this thread turn out like the last one...
#46
Grind is generally must faster, I'm not well versed in punk though.

Sore Throat were very early Grindcore, and some of the best I've heard. One of the only grind bands I listen to on a regular basis.
#47
Grindcore = crust punk + hardcore punk.

Deathgrind and goregrind started when people realized death metal riffs would blend well with fast, grinding punk. Grindcore has always been rooted in anarchist DIY punk, everything else is just an outgrowth.
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#48
Crustcore = crust punk + hardcore punk

Grindcore = crustcore + thrashcore and / or thrash metal in some cases (i.e. Hellhammer.)
#49
Job for a cowboy are an awesome grindcore band. No but seriously crustcore? Pretty sure crust punk is already core enough. Thrashcore is basically power violence but more metal and they don't growl.
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#50
Quote by NeonTerror
Job for a cowboy are an awesome grindcore band. No but seriously crustcore? Pretty sure crust punk is already core enough. Thrashcore is basically power violence but more metal and they don't growl.


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#51
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#52
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#53
Quote by NeonTerror
Job for a cowboy are an awesome grindcore band. No but seriously crustcore? Pretty sure crust punk is already core enough. Thrashcore is basically power violence but more metal and they don't growl.

Ha ha, that's pretty damn witty. kinda like brutal death metal. i mean, death metal's brutal enough! i crack myself up sometimes...
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#54
Listen to real grind like Sore Throat and Magrudergrind, not that brutal GRAVITYROLLGRAVITYROLLDEATHREATHROLL crap. It's not grindcore.

Also, hardcore forum.
#55
so basically, you're saying that we shouldn't discuss any grind with significant metal influence, and as a result, we should do it all in the hardcore forum? bull****. while i despise most gore grind, claiming that all metal influenced grind is worthless is ridiculous.
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#57
meanings change. it's not true to the original punk-derived meaning, but it's true to what that evolved to mean.
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.
#58
Grindcore, like hardcore, branched and formed its own genre out of punk. Thus, belongs in either the punk or hardcore forum, and as it is closer to hardcore, goes in said forum.

I personally think that all grind influenced metal is worthless, as it's all shit. It isn't grind, it's metal. It is death metal with grind influences, black metal with grind influences, whatever. Grindcore sounds like fast punk, and none of the bands that take their sound and add it to their death sound sound anything like punk. At all.
#60
Quote by The Evil Hat
meanings change. it's not true to the original punk-derived meaning, but it's true to what that evolved to mean.

So what? Hardcore is hardcore punk. It stayed true to it's original punk-derived meaning. Then in the 90's it changed, and became its own genre.

There is such a huge difference between your deathgrind/goregrind, and my grindcore, and it's fucking disgusting you mix your shit in with grind.
#61
Grind - crust = thrashcore

But trashcore = k(grind)/2x

If 2x = hardcore^2, then what is the value for grind?
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#62
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Grind - crust = thrashcore

But trashcore = k(grind)/2x

If 2x = hardcore^2, then what is the value for grind?

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Quote by Ultraussie
I want to try that while playing the opening riff to "Tempting Time".

0-0-0-13-0-0-0-0-13 or something like that alalalala but It;s so heavy and off time and awesome and you could not f**k anyone to it.


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#66
I have to be in the mood for Grindcore, which I'm not most of the time, but when I'm in the mood for absolute chaos, something like Agoraphobic Nosebleed is brilliant. First modern Grindcore band I've heard who I actually enjoy.
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yea man, who ever doesnt like pantera or think they suck doesnt like metal, end of discussion, they changed the freakin world n made history, so don't be sayin they suck, have respect, same goes for machine head n lamb of god cuz their good too
#69
Quote by Internal Chaos
Hopefully you listen to the stuff that was out before their cybergrind shit.


Don't know enough about the genre to actually define cybergrind, but I fear that I'm listening to it anyway.

Link to their stuff you prefer?
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yea man, who ever doesnt like pantera or think they suck doesnt like metal, end of discussion, they changed the freakin world n made history, so don't be sayin they suck, have respect, same goes for machine head n lamb of god cuz their good too
#71
Quote by Internal Chaos
Grind = thrashcore(hardcore^2)/k

Properly worked out, through equation t=kg/h^2



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Quote by Ultraussie
I want to try that while playing the opening riff to "Tempting Time".

0-0-0-13-0-0-0-0-13 or something like that alalalala but It;s so heavy and off time and awesome and you could not f**k anyone to it.


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burzum IS nazi. well, varg is.
#72
Quote by freddaahh
Don't know enough about the genre to actually define cybergrind, but I fear that I'm listening to it anyway.

Link to their stuff you prefer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNXh8_gDyhU
Good stuff right there.

I accidentally said cybergrind, where I meant nu-grind. Example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12juvOBHraw

They have programmed drums I'm pretty sure, if you wanna go to call that cyber.
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#73
They do use a drum machine unfortunately, but I enjoyed the song Apocalypse actually, thought it was pretty decent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jTdJvZ2Kyo&feature=related

No idea why they use the fake drums though.
Quote by DrewsGotTheLife
yea man, who ever doesnt like pantera or think they suck doesnt like metal, end of discussion, they changed the freakin world n made history, so don't be sayin they suck, have respect, same goes for machine head n lamb of god cuz their good too
#74
Quote by Magero
Then it's not true.
Evolution changes into other things.
Fish become reptiles
Reptiles become birds
Birds become food

But that's not how evolution works. A tuna didn't wake up one morning as a T Rex. it's gradual changes, and while the first and last steps have very little in common, everything in between shows subtle changes that bear resemblance to both and outline the path. yeah, Sore Throat and ****...I'm Dead have very little in common, but there's a chain of bands in between them that does, and with each slight deviation from the genre, the definition of the original changed a bit. Besides, i'm not trying to claim that ****...I'm Dead is punk, or anything like that. i'm claiming that they're Gore Grind, which is an evolution of metal-influenced grind, which is an evolution of punk influenced grind, which is an evolution of...i don't need to go on, do i?

Quote by Internal Chaos
So what? Hardcore is hardcore punk. It stayed true to it's original punk-derived meaning. Then in the 90's it changed, and became its own genre.

There is such a huge difference between your deathgrind/goregrind, and my grindcore, and it's fucking disgusting you mix your shit in with grind.

As far as i can tell, you don't even have an argument, you just don't like it, and so say it's completely unrelated. Venom influenced black metal, but doesn't like most modern bands. does that mean they're not black metal? of course not, definitions change. does that mean they're venom-esque black metal? no. Taste has nothing to do with it.
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.
#75
Quote by The Evil Hat
As far as i can tell, you don't even have an argument, you just don't like it, and so say it's completely unrelated. Venom influenced black metal, but doesn't like most modern bands. does that mean they're not black metal? of course not, definitions change. does that mean they're venom-esque black metal? no. Taste has nothing to do with it.

Lots of blues musicians influenced Black Sabbath. Does that mean they're proto doom? No.

It's not based on tasted. The fact of the matter is, goregrind and deathgrind took influence from grindcore bands. That does not mean the bands that influenced them are now deathgrind, that is fucking retarded. It's like saying smoking leads to gangrene, therefore smoking is gangrene.
#76
I stopped paying attention after "A tuna didn't wake up one mornign as a T-Rex" because I'm pretty sure you're the only person here who believes that.
#77
Quote by Internal Chaos
Lots of blues musicians influenced Black Sabbath. Does that mean they're proto doom? No.

It's not based on tasted. The fact of the matter is, goregrind and deathgrind took influence from grindcore bands. That does not mean the bands that influenced them are now deathgrind, that is fucking retarded. It's like saying smoking leads to gangrene, therefore smoking is gangrene.

...what? you seem to have leaped BACKWARDS through the chain. no, that doesn't mean that the blues musicians are proto doom. it does mean that Black Sabbath has blues influences. I never claimed that Sore Throat are deathgrind. that would, as you said, be ****ing retarded. i did claim that The Day Everything Became Nothing is influenced by grind.
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#78
Well it still works on your logic now.

As you said, Black Sabbath has blues influences, but doesn't mean they're blues
Fu...I'm Dead has grind influences, but doesn't mean they're grind

My example with hardcore. Hardcore punk developed continuously as more ideas were added so it was too distant from punk to remain a subgenre. You cannot say that deathgrind and grind are similar enough to remain in the same genre. They're completely different scenes, and that is that.

Deathgrind is a subgenre of metal, not of grind.
#79
Quote by Internal Chaos
Well it still works on your logic now.

As you said, Black Sabbath has blues influences, but doesn't mean they're blues
Fu...I'm Dead has grind influences, but doesn't mean they're grind

My example with hardcore. Hardcore punk developed continuously as more ideas were added so it was too distant from punk to remain a subgenre. You cannot say that deathgrind and grind are similar enough to remain in the same genre. They're completely different scenes, and that is that.

Deathgrind is a subgenre of metal, not of grind.

...when have i argued that Fukk...I'm Dead ARE STRAIGHT UP GRINDCORE? i haven't. i'm saying that they're deathgrind, which is influenced from grindcore. not IS grindcore, is INFLUENCED by grindcore. as far as i can tell, we're arguing the same thing at this point.
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