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It's one of these two amps that I'm going to buy. I went into a Guitar Center today and played on each of them, the Vypyr for a long time. I fell in love with the sound of it, mainly the JSX channel and the Fuzz stompbox model. I could've sat there for hours just jamming away. I thought it sounded great and at a killer price.

I played the Valveking a little bit, but didn't get to tinker with it to much. I really liked the clean channel and it sounded like pedals being run through it would sound really sick. Plus, the lead channel on the Valveking sounded good as well: dirty while still retaining a nice tone.

My concerns with both are the wattage. For the Vypyr, 60 Watts seems like a lot for a tube amp, and would probably be way too loud for bedroom usage? I played it at pretty low volumes in GC and it still sounded allright, so maybe its wattage corresponds to the SS "rule" as outlined in the sticky?

For the Valveking, 50 watts is classified as "hearing damage." I think it might be too loud to use in my bedroom for just riffing around.

So, Vypyr or Valveking? And please state why!
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when buying an amp, i wouldn't stress out about the wattage so much. i mean, technically, a 30 watt amp isn't any more crankable in bedrooms as a 60 watt. it's not like all great guitar tones you hear from the pro's had the amps on full blast always.
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i have a 112 and its fine for your bedroom. you can play it quiet. the hearing damage is at like max volume. and the reason the vypyr is 60 is because its a hybrid. so its not actually as loud as say a 60 watt tube amp. but its still quite loud.
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Quote by CemetaryGates90
i have a 112 and its fine for your bedroom. you can play it quiet. the hearing damage is at like max volume. and the reason the vypyr is 60 is because its a hybrid. so its not actually as loud as say a 60 watt tube amp. but its still quite loud.


the power amp of the vypyr is all tube, meaning it is the same volume as any all tube 60 watt amp assuming other variables aren't affecting. the preamp is SS iirc, but im pretty sure that doesnt affect the overall volume a significant amount
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The Vypyr 60 has 1 preamp tube. I'd say they are about the same volume wise. One is hybrid amp with lots features (Vypyr) and one is a modders amp with lots of potential (Valveking).

There are other choices out there. Check your craigslist too.


PS both are fine for bedroom use despite their wattage. I like the Vypyr better.
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Vypyr. Anything but a valveking unless your ready to dish out another $200 or so.
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Thanks for the responses!

The only thing making me hesitant to buy the Vypyr 60 is that I'm worried the modeling would get boring after not too long. However, some local musicians in town play on a Spider III and make great music with not too bad tone. I just think the Vypyr sounds much more "alive."

However, the Valveking seems like a reliable and nice amp to get and use with pedals. This would be good since I'd like to get a Satchurator and perhaps a Jemini. Does the Vypyr take pedals well?
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I'm going to say no - the Vypyrs prolly don't take pedals all that well but I don't own one. Just played 'em. I do own a VK and they take pedals very well. And yes, they are reliable. If you get a VK, don't get the 212 is my opinion. You'll need $70 min for a new speaker and $50 min for an OD or EQ pedal.

Vypyrs do not have an effects loop either to my knowledge for reason stated.
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Quote by soul.power
Thanks for the responses!

The only thing making me hesitant to buy the Vypyr 60 is that I'm worried the modeling would get boring after not too long. However, some local musicians in town play on a Spider III and make great music with not too bad tone. I just think the Vypyr sounds much more "alive."

However, the Valveking seems like a reliable and nice amp to get and use with pedals. This would be good since I'd like to get a Satchurator and perhaps a Jemini. Does the Vypyr take pedals well?
Well, since the Vypyr has built in effects I doubt it would love pedals. Thats the one advantage the Valveking has over the Vypyr, but I'd personally take the Vypyr + Sanpera over the Valveking.
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If you mod a Vypyr to have an FX loop there's no reason mod effects shouldn't work as well on it as on any other high-gain tube amp.
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How many effects might you need? The vypyr already has a bunch of mod effects.
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the vyper tube isnt actually a tube amp. its like the vox valvetronix, the power amp is tube, but the preamp is not
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Quote by ncbrock
the vyper tube isnt actually a tube amp. its like the vox valvetronix, the power amp is tube, but the preamp is not
Actually, the Valvetronix has a tube in the preamp section, not the power amp.
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How many effects might you need? The vypyr already has a bunch of mod effects.


Check my sig. I probably wouldn't use the SD-1 as much, and I was looking into the Satchurator and Jemini. Also a Fuzz and a Flanger.

The only thing keeping me from it now is the reliability horror stories. It sounds like a cheap and unreliable amp that breaks down after simple usage. Are they really that cheap?
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No, the problems were firmware problems. No worries.
The Vypyr has delay... pretty good to me, IMO.

And if you get the sanpera, a Pitch shifter/wah/volume pedal, plus a looper.
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There was one story from Espremacy on how he went through 5 of these. 75w I believe. Various hardware issues. I think he just had a string of bad luck though as most Vypyr customers seem very happy and yes most of the issues have been Firmware related which can be fixed by connecting it to the internet.

The tube hybrid Vypyrs have 1 preamp tube and 2/4 power tubes.

Also check in with the Valveking thread. Some of those guys are cranking out some nice tone with their speaker swaps.

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I echo that if you get a VK112, plan to immediately upgrade the speaker. I put a Celestion Vintage 30 in it and it made a huge difference. I also have an MXR 10 band EQ that makes a huge difference. YOu will find that it can be quite difficult to get a good metal sound out of it without proper EQ, pedals, etc. The lead channel by itself wont cut the mustard for metal. I have a love hate with my VK. The effects loop is terrific, it takes pedals well, and the cleans are killer, but its a lot of work. The beauty is, you can find them a dime a dozen used if you look hard enough. I ended up snagging my 112 off Craigslist, nearly new condition, for $220. I threw a $145 Vintage 30 (should have spent $99 on a hellatone as its the same speaker).

With the Vypr, the best investment you could make is getting a Sanpera II footswitch which costs an additional $199, so you are getting up into the territory where you could consider a lot of other amps for that kind of money.....but I don't think you will get bored or it will get old for a very long time.
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Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
There was one story from Espremacy on how he went through 5 of these. 75w I believe.


Yeah I read that horror story and got pretty spooked out of buying one. Plus I live in Alaska so if there was a problem, shipping it to Peavey would be a real bitch.

Also I don't know how to replace a speaker, so getting the local store to do it would probably be pretty spendy and add on the cost of a new speaker. I'll troll Craigslist a bit and then hit up the Valveking thread and listen to some of what they're doing.
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Speakers on either of these amps are real easy to swap. I would not pay someone to do it. Tubes are easy to swap on VK as well - no biasing. No offense to the V30 but the WGS Veteran 30 clone may actually be a better speaker for half the cost. Check out some of the clips from Necrophagist777, Dudey5692, sg622, Jason, etc on the clips page of OP.

Good point on the Sampera II pedal. That almost seems like a must to me too. I really like the Vypyr 60 but some prefer the all solid state 30 and 75. The most recent Guitar World gave the amp 'no' Cons and lots of praise.

I'd def check out craigslist and see if you can find a used Peavey XXX, 5150 or Ultra. Then maybe a Line 6 Vetta or Spider Valve if you are into modelling.

what kind of music do you play mostly? (sorry if you said already)
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I play somewhat cleaner stuff like The Strokes, Bloc Party and U2 but definitely get into heavier, metalish stuff like Joe Satriani, Paul Gilbert, Muse, Van Halen, etc.
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Quote by Ghold125
The Vypry isn't tube...
What's your budget?

They make a hybrid series. 60 and 120 watt combos and a 100 watt head.

TS, if you're not looking to be able to easily get a bunch of different tones, i'd say the valveking would be a good choice. That being said, modeling can be extremely useful. I have a 15 watt vypyr and in my room it never goes past 2 (it goes to 13, take THAT Nigel!). I even use it for jamming and about halfway it gets pretty loud (and that's in a garage with a drummer and other guitarist).
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Soul.power - the VK can hit the artists you mentioned. As stated it does have a nice clean channel. Listen to some of Raijouta's clips.


For fun, here is some stuff I found on craigslist. I'm not saying all of these fit your style and budget but it's good to know what's out there. There are several on here that I would pic over the VK or the Vypyr - like the Classic 20 or that Ampeg or some of those Marshalls.


Peavey Classic 20 in TWEED $225
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1232067431.html

Carvin XV112 tube amp $475 (worth looking into)
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1226846870.html

Valveking half stack $800 (way too high)
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1224912974.html

Marshall JCM2000 60w combo $650
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1222975952.html

Marshall Valvestate 8100 head $300 (needs cab)
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1221561741.html

Peavey Duel 212 tube combo $425 (looks promising)
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1214300541.html

Peavey Bandit combo $225
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1213644491.html

Peavey VTM 120 half stack $450
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1205894723.html

Peavey Classic 50 4x10 $300
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1201804118.html

Carvin Vai Legacy 212 combo $800
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1197586161.html

Marshall Vintage Modern 100w head $800 (needs cab)
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1197560507.html

Ampeg SVT II Pro combo $800
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1191746823.html

Ampeg SS140C combo $250 (check this one out)
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1188649838.html


Good luck and happy hunting
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Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
Soul.power - the VK can hit the artists you mentioned. As stated it does have a nice clean channel. Listen to some of Raijouta's clips.


For fun, here is some stuff I found on craigslist. I'm not saying all of these fit your style and budget but it's good to know what's out there. There are several on here that I would pic over the VK or the Vypyr - like the Classic 20 or that Ampeg or some of those Marshalls.


Peavey Classic 20 in TWEED $225
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1232067431.html

Carvin XV112 tube amp $475 (worth looking into)
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1226846870.html

Valveking half stack $800 (way too high)
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1224912974.html

Marshall JCM2000 60w combo $650
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1222975952.html

Marshall Valvestate 8100 head $300 (needs cab)
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1221561741.html

Peavey Duel 212 tube combo $425 (looks promising)
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1214300541.html

Peavey Bandit combo $225
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1213644491.html

Peavey VTM 120 half stack $450
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1205894723.html

Peavey Classic 50 4x10 $300
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1201804118.html

Carvin Vai Legacy 212 combo $800
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1197586161.html

Marshall Vintage Modern 100w head $800 (needs cab)
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1197560507.html

Ampeg SVT II Pro combo $800
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1191746823.html

Ampeg SS140C combo $250 (check this one out)
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/1188649838.html


Good luck and happy hunting


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That classic 20 tweed is a good deal at $225. Arguably the most "bedroom" amp on the list. Nice list though, plenty of stuff to choose from.

Thank 311 for his work on your behalf.
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Quote by Ghold125
It has a single power amp tube.

+1 to 311


Thanks.


um...actually the 60 has 2 power tubes and the 120 has 4. Each has 1 preamp tube.

http://www.peavey.com/products/browse.cfm/action/detail/cat/454/item/116748/number/03586730/Vypyr%26reg%3BTube60.cfm




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Quote by Ghold125
It has a single power amp tube.

+1 to 311

Nope, the power amp is fully tube. The preamp is the one with the 1 12AX7 (maybe the PI, I dunno)
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Dude, 311, thank you so much for all the links! Some of them are really promising, especially a couple of the Marshall combos. I think for now, though, I've decided to go with the Vypyr. It's got all the effects that I was going to buy (flanger, phaser, auto wah, fuzz, echo) and great sounding amp models. Thanks for all your help guys!

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I think you'll like it a lot.
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Thanks 311 for the plug!

And considering you're in Alaska I'm not sure as to the availability of tube amps on Craigslist. The Vypyrs are great amps though, I've heard a guy saying the Tube 60 sounded dead-on to his 6505 on its model of that amp.
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Well I'm on vacation now for two weeks, so it looks like I'll be stopping by the Guitar Center where I'm staying! Thanks for all your help, especially 311 for trolling CL. I owe you one
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I have a Vyper tube 60, no issues with pedals. Have a small chain going, and the OD pedal I play sounds almost as good as if I manually pushed the amp into OD.
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I've had a Vypyr 75 for a year and a half (roughly) and i've had absolutely no problems with it, except a couple that i believe were connected to the footswitch which resolved themselves. I use mine daily. And honestly, i've had no problems with it taking pedals. i would take it over a Valveking (got to play one unmodded, wasn't impressed)