#1
I'm new to amps with FX loops and right now I'm looking at two different amps (Vypyr tube and Valveking). One has an FX loop and the other doesn't. I have a Digitech Whammy, a DD-5 and a Crybaby.

I'm wondering, will my pedals through the FX loop in the Valveking sound better than connected in series in the Vypyr? If so, how much better and whats the tonal difference?
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#2
do you know what the preamp and poweramp are? if not, read the stickies. the FX loop is when effects are placed in between the preamp and the poweramp. the FX send goes out from the preamp and into your pedals that you want to place in the loop, and the output from those pedals goes into the FX return, which goes into the poweramp
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#3
Quote by nutinpwnsgibson
do you know what the preamp and poweramp are? if not, read the stickies. the FX loop is when effects are placed in between the preamp and the poweramp. the FX send goes out from the preamp and into your pedals that you want to place in the loop, and the output from those pedals goes into the FX return, which goes into the poweramp


Yes, I know what they are and how the loop works. What I don't know, though, is how the sound differs from when effects are in the loop (after the preamp) or not in the loop (before the preamp).
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#4
time based effects such as delay and reverb sound better through an effects loop. it stops them from getting distorted by the gain from the pre-amp, which is not really what you want with something like reverb, because it just makes it sound a mess.
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#5
It's like a matter of sticking a delay/reverb/modulation pedal before or after an OD, with the OD actually being your preamp.
#6
Quote by Baarmy_Sheep
time based effects such as delay and reverb sound better through an effects loop. it stops them from getting distorted by the gain from the pre-amp, which is not really what you want with something like reverb, because it just makes it sound a mess.


So using a delay with an amp like the Vypyr Tube would not sound very good?
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#7
off topic. but go with the valveking for sure. WAYYYY better amp bro.
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#8
Ah, so I might just have to skip out on the Peavey Vypyr Tube despite my absolute love for the JSX and XXX amp models

But I don't want my Whammy, wah or delay to sound like **** in them.
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#9
No...if you put the delay or reverb or whatever in to the front of your amp instead of the loop, the amp distortion will distort your delay or reverb. Time based effects=effects loop.
#10
Quote by soul.power
So using a delay with an amp like the Vypyr Tube would not sound very good?


i run my delay through the front of my amp and i like the sound of it, but if you are using a digital delay and want the perfect repeats then you're better off running it through a loop.
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#11
What if you do not use your preamp for distortion? I run everything through the front but I have my distortion pedal before the delay.
#12
Quote by Zacher
What if you do not use your preamp for distortion? I run everything through the front but I have my distortion pedal before the delay.


this is what i do. i have my amp set ultra-clean, and use an od pedal. this sounds fine.
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#13
i say go for the vypyr nevertheless. whammy and wah should both go before distortion anyway. as for the delay, before the amp it'll make a bit muddier sound more like an analog delay, but i think the delay on the vypyr should handle the more precise sharp delay if you know what i mean.
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#14
Basically if you run super clean and use distortion via pedals then it will sound good. If you use the amp distortion then you want to have an fx loop. Savvy?
#15
just get an amp w/efx loop. you will find out that you need one somewhere down the line if you don't need it or use it now. I can't imagine having an amp without one.
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#16
Well the vyper probably doesnt have an FX loop as it comes loaded with tons of FX. You just need the controller pedal. If you already have alot of FX that you like to use then the VK would be a better bet. No point in buying an amp loaded with FX you dont use to then use FX pedals.
#17
Quote by madh4ttr
just get an amp w/efx loop. you will find out that you need one somewhere down the line if you don't need it or use it now. I can't imagine having an amp without one.

And yet people have been doing without them for decades...
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Feel free to express yours so I can make an informed judgement about how stupid you are.
#18
Delay sounds terrible in front of the amp on a drive channel. An effects loop is a necessity for delay. The others that supposedly go in the loop you can get away with. Doesn't the Vypyr have built in effects?
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#20
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And yet people have been doing without them for decades...

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#21
Quote by madh4ttr
this isn't the first time, but you always turn up and are a smart ass


its not like he's wrong, EVH didn't have an FX loop, yet he used tons of modulation and delay and became famous for his tone
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#22
Quote by nutinpwnsgibson
do you know what the preamp and poweramp are? if not, read the stickies. the FX loop is when effects are placed in between the preamp and the poweramp. the FX send goes out from the preamp and into your pedals that you want to place in the loop, and the output from those pedals goes into the FX return, which goes into the poweramp

You hit the nail on the head!
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#23
Come to think of it, I only really use delay when I'm running clean. Other than that, I usually just do slapback which I don't frequently use.

I plan to use a lot of the Vypyr effects like the phaser, flanger, fuzz, auto wah and a few more I can't think of right now.
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#24
I'd go with the Tube Vypyr instead of the Valve King as I was really disappointed with the VK. For all the time you use the time based effects you'd be perfectly well served by using the onboard effects as they're not at all bad on that amp and the pedals you already have like a Wah would go before the amp anyway, even if it did have an effects loop.
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#25
dude the vypyr already has those effects, so i don't see why you are wondering about this (all but the whammy, which would still sound good i think) and also to be honest the valvekings i have played have been crap, they are thin and harsh sounding and my other guitarist just got the 75 watt vypyr after ABing the two and the tube wass honestly not much better than the solid state. So if i was you i would get that and sandpera two. Or maybe even the tiny terror(used) and a cheap cab ( i have this and love it).