#1
Afternoon, gents. I was messing around with my setup, experimenting with the placement of my new wah pedal (Wilson Ten Spot II, I love it), and I've become completely frustrated.

1.) When I place the Ten Spot in front of my overdrive (Fulltone OCD), I seem to lose a lot of sweep, and my tone is never as good as it is when the overdrive is in front of the wah.
2.) When I place my compressor in front of my wah, the volume goes flipping crazy. I get a huge increase, and the volume becomes inconsistant. i.e. when I put the toe all the way down the volume jumps dramatically, and when the heel is down the volume gets nerfed. When the compressor is after my wah I don't have these problems.

It seems to me that based on these facts, there is no way to win. I can't have my compressor be in front of my overdrives and after my wah at the same time, because apparently I need to have my overdrives in front of my wah to get any good tone out of them.

Help?! Is there any way to win in this situation or am I completely toneboned?
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Tech21 RVB
'59 Bassman Reissue
#2
put overdrive before wah, so you wah the overdrive
as for the compressor i'm not sure i've never used one
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#3
Quote by thedekker
put overdrive before wah, so you wah the overdrive
as for the compressor i'm not sure i've never used one


Yea, that seems to be the best option. I just wonder about my compressor; I know it's usually better to have it in front of your overdrives to balance the gain/sound structure. But yea, putting my overdrives after the wah makes some sweet sexy wah goodness right out of a '70s porno/Chili Peppers CD. Since the Wilson Ten Spot is a clone of the WH-10 that Froosh uses, I'm starting to see why he uses his overdrives in front of his wah.


Quote by nightraven
perhaps an output buffer on the wah would make it sound better in front of OD.
how much compression are you using for it to sound so crazy?
you liking that tech21 reverb?


The Ten Spot actually has a built-in buffer, so no luck there : / I'm starting to think I might just bite the bullet and arrange it "Overdrives->Wah->Compressor." Seems to be the only way. Thank God the Keeley Compressor is built to handle at least one overdrive in front of it; we'll see how this all works out.

Oh and by the way, I'm loving the Tech21 RVB. Best reverb I've played with, very warm and analog-sounding. Sounds better than my friends' Fender amps' onboard reverb, and certainly has more tonal options. Thing is, I had to switch from using the "bright" channel of my Bassman to using the "normal" channel, because when I increased the "tone" knob on the RVB I got some high-frequency hiss out of my speakers. But then again I was running my "Presence" at 12, so that could be why. Anyway I highly recommend the pedal, I'm certain you'll love it.
Tobacco Sunburst Fender Strat
(Lollar Dirty Blonde pickups)
Fulltone FatBoost
MI Audio BoostnBuff
Fulltone OCD
This1smyne "Pearl"
Wilson 10Spot II
Red Witch Phaser
Fulltone ChoralFlange
BOSS DD-7+DD-20
Tech21 RVB
'59 Bassman Reissue
Last edited by Denthrare at Jun 29, 2009,
#5
Quote by Say Ocean
Don't use the compressor at the same time as the wah.


Do you have a particular reason for this? I have a few good reasons why I should use them both simultaneously, the most prominent being that when the compressor is on and after my wah, it balances out the wah's volume. As I said in my first post, without being compressed, my wah has a tendancy to boost volume dramatically in the toe position and cut volume just as drastically in the heel position (as do pretty much all wah pedals). So in my opinion, compressing my wah is an absolute necessity.
Tobacco Sunburst Fender Strat
(Lollar Dirty Blonde pickups)
Fulltone FatBoost
MI Audio BoostnBuff
Fulltone OCD
This1smyne "Pearl"
Wilson 10Spot II
Red Witch Phaser
Fulltone ChoralFlange
BOSS DD-7+DD-20
Tech21 RVB
'59 Bassman Reissue
#6
Probably the main thing to understand about effects order is that an effect modifies the sound it receives. This means if you plug your guitar into an overdrive, the overdrive gives you an overdriven guitar sound - pretty obvious, huh? If you then plug the overdrive output into a wah pedal input, then the wah works on the overdriven sound, giving you a synth-like wah sound.

If you plug first into the wah, then into the overdrive, it gives a completely different sound. That's because the overdrive is working on a guitar sound that already has a wah effect. You may know that overdriven effects have more effect on loud sounds than quiet ones (that's why they sound cleaner when you roll off the guitar volume). And a wah pedal makes different notes and frequencies louder and softer as you rock the pedal, so rocking the pedal also now controls the amount of overdrive as well, giving what most players prefer as a more interesting effect.

As for a compresser, it generally is used after the wah and before the overdrive if you want the depth in wah volume, and before the wah if you want your wah volume the same at all times.

I hope this helps.

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#7
Quote by Say Ocean
Don't use the compressor at the same time as the wah.

This isn't true. Lots of great sounds are the result of a wah and a compresser at the same time.

(sorry for the double post.)

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#9
Quote by Say Ocean
I'm sure a lot of great sounds happen, but in this particular case, it's not. So you have to make a compromise.


Au contraire, mon amie; I'm getting great sound out of my rig right now. Awesome sound, even "in this particular case." The only problem I've encountered is trying to decide between the options of 1.) Compressor->Overdrive->Wah and 2.) Overdrive->Wah->Compressor.

I know I prefer the sound of my overdrive in front of my wah, I'm just trying to figure out where the compressor should fit in. After screwing around with it for a while, I think I'm gonna go with choice number 2, seeing as with choice number one I get more consistancy out of the overdrive, but a huge volume nerf with the wah.

Thanks for everyone who posted, but I think I've "[made] a compromise," as our friend Ocean put it.
Tobacco Sunburst Fender Strat
(Lollar Dirty Blonde pickups)
Fulltone FatBoost
MI Audio BoostnBuff
Fulltone OCD
This1smyne "Pearl"
Wilson 10Spot II
Red Witch Phaser
Fulltone ChoralFlange
BOSS DD-7+DD-20
Tech21 RVB
'59 Bassman Reissue
#10
Quote by Denthrare
Au contraire, mon amie; I'm getting great sound out of my rig right now. Awesome sound, even "in this particular case." The only problem I've encountered is trying to decide between the options of 1.) Compressor->Overdrive->Wah and 2.) Overdrive->Wah->Compressor.

I know I prefer the sound of my overdrive in front of my wah, I'm just trying to figure out where the compressor should fit in. After screwing around with it for a while, I think I'm gonna go with choice number 2, seeing as with choice number one I get more consistancy out of the overdrive, but a huge volume nerf with the wah.

Thanks for everyone who posted, but I think I've "[made] a compromise," as our friend Ocean put it.

Good
Everywhere you go you find things telling you a specific order to put stuff in. In my mind, it really comes down to what sounds best to you. Just don't be afraid of experimenting.
I cant experiment that much myself, I only have 2 working pedals
(and overdrive and a delay)
I generally put the OD first. Once my Egnater comes, the delay will be run through the effects loop.

-Gibson LP VM
-Silvertone Kentucky Blue
-MXR CC Delay
-Ibanez TS-9
-Egnater Rebel 20
-Avatar 1x12

My rig is simple
Haha. UG's Chuck just said chuck. haha
You're not truly playing guitar unless you know theory.