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#1
Hey tube snobs, how the heck are ya? Now, I'm not bashing ya. I am KINDA one too. I just gotta ask ya: Why would you use an od pedal with a pure tube amp and STILL say you just like Pure Tube Tone? Overdrive pedals have diodes, like a JCM 900. PPL boost their JCM 800 and say that they are still PURE TUBE! YOU AREN'T! What do you guys think?
#2
People don't say it's pure tube tone they just say that it's an option when needed.
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tube amps are for idiots. i plug into my car for rock and roll. duh... /inb4lock...
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#5
Tube Snobs are dumb, they need to go try some Vettas and older Ampegs ASAP. And the Axe FX for good measure.
#6
Quote by Mitchell?
Troll?


no no... he's more or less sharing his opinion in a valid way.


it's true that using the "gain control" on diode OD pedals results in solid state clipping. but the majority of us don't actually think "OMGZXZX I MUST HAVE T3H PURE T00BZ T0NE AND N0TH1NG ELZEEZZZZZ!!111"

while tube distortion may sound better than solid state distortion in many cases, we still acknowledge its existence and do use it when we see fit.
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Quote by daryle_goh
no no... he's more or less sharing his opinion in a valid way.


it's true that using the "gain control" on diode OD pedals results in solid state clipping. but the majority of us don't actually think "OMGZXZX I MUST HAVE T3H PURE T00BZ T0NE AND N0TH1NG ELZEEZZZZZ!!111"

while tube distortion may sound better than solid state distortion in many cases, we still acknowledge its existence and do use it when we see fit.


Exactly. I'm not really "PURE TUBE" but I just don't like od pedals disrupting the tubes. I don't know, the distortion sounds kind of not real. IDK if it is me, but that's just my opinion. I'm not really a fan of the solid state clipping in od/distortion pedals. Also, how would I be a troll?
#9
Quote by alternitivebass
People don't say it's pure tube tone they just say that it's an option when needed.


When would it be an option? Like, when u are playing at low volumes or want a LOT of gain?
#10
Yeah, some people want a good tube tone and lots of gain, metal players, etc. So they use a OD pedal.
#11
My Jcm2000 uses Diodes and I use an OD so I guess I fail
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#12
i'm not a pure tube snob. I own a tube amp now (the marshall tsl60 that gets bashed all the time on here for some reason) but i used to get awesome tones with my old vox. I managed to get a sweet blues tone with tons of sustain out of a tiny 15w behringer solid state at college with a squire tele going through it, even my friend who's been playing expensive guitars from his dads collection through expensive vintage tube amps said that the tone i managed to get from that thing was nice.

You can get a good workable tone from just about any amp anyway. You just need to mess around with it, i dislike modelling amps though because i like to use fuzzes but there are some good solid states out there. Santana used some solid state at woodstock and he sounded awesome!
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My Jcm2000 uses Diodes and I use an OD so I guess I fail


Wait, JCM 2000 DOES use diodes?
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Quote by oldGNRfan
Hey tube snobs, how the heck are ya? Now, I'm not bashing ya. I am KINDA one too. I just gotta ask ya: Why would you use an od pedal with a pure tube amp and STILL say you just like Pure Tube Tone? Overdrive pedals have diodes, like a JCM 900. PPL boost their JCM 800 and say that they are still PURE TUBE! YOU AREN'T! What do you guys think?



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Yeah, some people want a good tube tone and lots of gain, metal players, etc. So they use a OD pedal.


Yeah, like Zakk Wylde. I like metal, but the classic metal. Just the cranked tube amp like Judas Priest or Black Sabbath.
#18
Quote by gregs1020
try a fulltone pedal.


That have diodes? Is that the transparent one?
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this.

why does it matter what "people" say about it?
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#20
Quote by oldGNRfan
Wait, JCM 2000 DOES use diodes?


Yea, all Marshall except the vintage series use them I think. Plus, you don't meet many people who are just absolute tube snobs who are like "OMGZORZ!!!!11! Not teh diodes!!!!121!" whenevr you show them an OD pedal used to boost the signal. And people like that typically don't use enough gain to warrant anything but tube distortion. Plus, as long as you're getting power tube distortion, it doesn't matter if you're od uses diodes as long as it has a tonestack that compliments the amp.

Quote by oldGNRfan
That have diodes? Is that the transparent one?


No Fulltone uses MOSFETs. The transparent ones are the Fulltone Fatboost, XOTiC Boosters and supposedly the Klon as long as you don't use the OD mode.
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#21
Quote by mmolteratx
Yea, all Marshall except the vintage series use them I think. Plus, you don't meet many people who are just absolute tube snobs who are like "OMGZORZ!!!!11! Not teh diodes!!!!121!" whenevr you show them an OD pedal used to boost the signal. And people like that typically don't use enough gain to warrant anything but tube distortion. Plus, as long as you're getting power tube distortion, it doesn't matter if you're od uses diodes as long as it has a tonestack that compliments the amp.


No Fulltone uses MOSFETs. The transparent ones are the Fulltone Fatboost, XOTiC Boosters and supposedly the Klon as long as you don't use the OD mode.


What's MOSFET? Also, do transparent ones REALLY work? Do they really keep the tone the same?
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#23
If it sounds good, use it.
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#24
Quote by oldGNRfan
What's MOSFET? Also, do transparent ones REALLY work? Do they really keep the tone the same?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOSFET

The XOTiC RC (Really Clean) and AC (Almost Clean) Boosters do in my experience. They're by far the most transparent pedals I've ever used. The RC boosts volume and can add a slight bit of gain while the AC can add a bit more gain. Even Eric Johnson and Scott Henderson claim they're the most transparent pedals they've ever used. EJ dropped his Tube Driver for an AC Booster and Scott Henderson now uses an RC Booster as a cleaner boost and a BB (Blues Breaker) Preamp as a big gain boost. The Creation Audio Labs Mk 4.23 is also supposed to be extremely transparent but I've never tried it, along with the Klon. But at the price of the Klon, it would have to be pretty damn good to take precedent over the RC or AC Boosters to me.
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#25
Quote by oldGNRfan
That have diodes? Is that the transparent one?

dunno, dont care. it could have a hampster wheel in it for all i know. sounds great tho.
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Quote by gregs1020
dunno, dont care. it could have a hampster wheel in it for all i know. sounds great tho.



Agreed. They're not the most transparent as far as to the amps character but they sound fantastic. I love the OCD.
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#27
Diodes are fine as long as the circuit is analog, IMO.

Delay is the one exception.

Modelers are becoming very good as of late though, with the Vetta II and the AxeFX - they may overtake tubes soon. I still enjoy the subtle harmonics and dynamics of a good tube circuit more than a solid state, but it's personal preference.
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#28
Wow Greg I didnt recognize you without the other avy.
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#29
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Agreed. They're not the most transparent as far as to the amps character but they sound fantastic. I love the OCD.



Do you think there is REALLY and od pedal that is 100% transparent or do all of them change even a TAD bit of tone?
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#31
Im more of a NHRA fan myself.
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Quote by oldGNRfan
Do you think there is REALLY and od pedal that is 100% transparent or do all of them change even a TAD bit of tone?


No, I wouldn't say I've ever tried one that is completely transparent and I'd probably say there's no such thing as completely transparent since if you change volume levels frequencies picked up by your ear naturally change in levels but the XOTiC effects get pretty close to total transparency. I would say that there are some that are extremely transparent as far as the amps characteristics and some completely make an amp sound like a different amp.
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#33
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Im more of a NHRA fan myself.



+1

First off, a true all tube amp with no diodes or transistors of any kind is pretty hard to find unless you go boutique, vintage, or build your own. So, chances are you're playing an amp that uses diodes somewhere.

Second, I don't really see people going around saying their setup has to be all tube. They might say they prefer tube amps, but that doesn't mean someone has to totally shun all other forms of distortion.

Lastly, who cares, get what sounds good.
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#34
Ignoring the fact that the TS is obviously a troll, he completely misses the point of an OD pedal, which is to increase the input signal in order to further overdrive the tubes. Most of the coloration comes in the form of EQ change rather than distortion (contrasted with actual overdrive).
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#35
Quote by oldGNRfan
Hey tube snobs, how the heck are ya? Now, I'm not bashing ya. I am KINDA one too. I just gotta ask ya: Why would you use an od pedal with a pure tube amp and STILL say you just like Pure Tube Tone? Overdrive pedals have diodes, like a JCM 900. PPL boost their JCM 800 and say that they are still PURE TUBE! YOU AREN'T! What do you guys think?


Because I use it as a clean boost and eq changer you fucktard. The distortion still all comes from the amp.
#36
well it is true that you dont need pure tube tone to have good tone but it generally helps. i say this as the owner of a jcm900 which has diode clipping. it sounds better than a lot of all tube amps i have heard but there are also the tube amps that eat it for breakfast. pure tubes with no diodes has some correlation with good tone but it is not a rule set in stone. let your ears be the judge not your preconceptions.
#38
for some raisin this thread seems like something that casinoepiphone troll vvould start, anyvvho, its not really about "true tube" tone rather than just good tone. I'll take a good SS over a decent tube amp any day
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#40
Some solid states are as good as tubes, if not better....it all depends on preference...digital vs analog, some prefer one or the other....nuff said...
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