#1
I've been looking into modelling amps lately and I'm a bit unsure if it's the way to go. Can modelling amps be compared to tube amps soundwise? Many of the amps I've looked at are reasonably cheaper than many higher end tube amps. Is it possible to use lower-wattage modelling amps for gigging? I'm guessing the lower volume shouldn't be much of a problem nowadays.

The reason I've become interested in modelling amps is because i read on a few sites that Allan Holdsworth uses the Yamaha DG80, along with some Yamaha pedal boards. First off do anyone have anymore information regarding Allans gear? Would i be able to get a similar sound with a reasonably priced modelling amp? I've also looked into the Johnson modelling amps, which also seem nice and aren't to expensive.
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#2
i have a modelling amp and i was drawn in by the price and different amp styles, but it doesnt compare to full tube
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That was obviously the one i was looking at.
Do you have any experience with the Yamaha or Johnson amps mentioned?
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That was obviously the one i was looking at.
Do you have any experience with the Yamaha or Johnson amps mentioned?


no sorry i can't help
#7
If you can play like AH, then you can get his sound out of most modeling gear. I heard he was using several Magicstomps at one point.
#8
I've had the missfortune to own one of the lower end johnson amp models. The one i owned made me yourn for an MG....

Fortunately i bought a Blues Junior but hey!
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#9
Really? Oh well.
I watched this guy on youtube who uses a Johnson Millenium amp, and it's sounds great even without all of his pedals.
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#10
If you are looking to get Allan's sound you've got too look closer than a mere amp; he's such a unique guitarist you can't just copy the gear and sound like him.

Secondly; he's not using the Yamaha's anymore. He only used the yamahas for a couple of years; he's used alot of amps throughout the years. Pearce solid states, single rectifiers, rack-pre and power amps among others. And throughout all of this he still sounds the same; goes to show the mans skills. He also likes re-amping, stereo set ups and a fair few effects, you need to take that into account.


As for whether modelling amps can get you good tones? Of course they can; depends on what you want out of an amp as to whether they're worth the money.




EDIT: which era allan tones are you trying to cop? Which albums?
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#11
I'm not trying to copy Allans tone as such but what i like from his tone is that it's very soft and milky while still being sharp and pronounced. That's what I'm looking for. I know that Allans technique is in a league of his own though. ;D

But that very soft but still sharp tone is what I'm looking for. Sort of like a mix between EJ's and early Petrucci tone which i both love.

Thanks for your answer.
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#12
the Johnson Millennium its a super tube modeling amp, the lower end johnson amp suck but the Millennium is a great amp, i would even go as far as saying its a better modeling amp than my Line 6 Vetta, its so freaking loud you will go deaf with its 120watt tube power.

i would really go seek one out and try it yourself and you will be sold on it in 10min, i had the chance of buying one for 450.00 and let it go and i was pissed ay myself for it for a long time and then ran into a guy selling a Vetta for super cheap and bought that instead, im just as happy with my purchase.
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#13
How about Yamaha DG amps? Are they worth checking out?
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I'm not trying to copy Allans tone as such but what i like from his tone is that it's very soft and milky while still being sharp and pronounced. That's what I'm looking for. I know that Allans technique is in a league of his own though. ;D

But that very soft but still sharp tone is what I'm looking for. Sort of like a mix between EJ's and early Petrucci tone which i both love.

Thanks for your answer.

Ah ok...

I'm not really up on the Petrucci side of things but for EJ I'd be looking for a small fender amp and a fuzz face; you may find that a modelling amp doesn't react to the fuzz face losing that high end "silk" that EJ is known for.

Maybe you should look at Egnator or Randall tube modular thing? You can choose 4 preamps with the latter and I've been told they're fairly decent.

I believe Greg Howe was using the Johnson amps for a while; don't know if he still does. That should give you a faint idea of what's possible (assuming you've got Greg's raw skills)


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#15
Ok thank you very much, I'll check those out.
Nothing beats EJ's G3 tone, although I'd probably prefer it a bit more pronounced myself.

Edit: I just read on your page that you're a fan of David Fiuczynski too. Most guys here don't know who he is.
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Ok thank you very much, I'll check those out.
Nothing beats EJ's G3 tone, although I'd probably prefer it a bit more pronounced myself.

Edit: I just read on your page that you're a fan of David Fiuczynski too. Most guys here don't know who he is.

No worries...

I personally prefer EJs Bloom tone... But I'm most certainly in a minority!

Yeah; Dave is a ridiculous musician. His problem is the "mainstream" rock guys don't get what he's doing and the jazz guys snub him because he doesn't sound like Wes! I'm really digging the Joshua Roseman Unit disc that he played on ("Cherry") it somehow slipped under my radar when it was released!


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#17
Well that's the problem with most fusion players really. His "microtone" experiments on the fretless are pretty crazy.
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#18
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Well that's the problem with most fusion players really. His "microtone" experiments on the fretless are pretty crazy.

Dave's quite far out even for a fusion-ite.. Unless you've got some familiarity with indian classical music (and listen to a lot of free jazz) you'd think he's "out of tune"... That's the beauty of it I just wish he hadn't pissed off Dean Bowman and we could have more SHT gigs.

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#19
Slightly back on topic. I read about a guy on the jemsite who said that he could get some nice Holdsworth tones with his Crate GFX-65. Do any of you have experience with this amp, considering how cheap it is it would be a bargain.
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#20
I've seen Holdsworth over 12 times.. and last 5 times he was using Hughes & Kettner Switchblades.... i first saw him with I.O.U. in 1982 with Paul Williams singing back then he was jumping around with different amps like the Lab 50's and Mesa Boogies....this last decade it's been all Hughes & Kettners though Just saw Allan in NY in Feb and he's still using the Switchblades.
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I've been looking into modelling amps lately and I'm a bit unsure if it's the way to go. Can modelling amps be compared to tube amps soundwise? Many of the amps I've looked at are reasonably cheaper than many higher end tube amps. Is it possible to use lower-wattage modelling amps for gigging? I'm guessing the lower volume shouldn't be much of a problem nowadays.

The reason I've become interested in modelling amps is because i read on a few sites that Allan Holdsworth uses the Yamaha DG80, along with some Yamaha pedal boards. First off do anyone have anymore information regarding Allans gear? Would i be able to get a similar sound with a reasonably priced modelling amp? I've also looked into the Johnson modelling amps, which also seem nice and aren't to expensive.
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#21
Allan uses multiple delays....the whole idea with his Yamaha UD-Stomp was combining multiple delays in one box....he has stopped using it in favour of a computer that controls his sounds
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Ah ok...

I'm not really up on the Petrucci side of things but for EJ I'd be looking for a small fender amp and a fuzz face; you may find that a modelling amp doesn't react to the fuzz face losing that high end "silk" that EJ is known for.

Maybe you should look at Egnator or Randall tube modular thing? You can choose 4 preamps with the latter and I've been told they're fairly decent.

I believe Greg Howe was using the Johnson amps for a while; don't know if he still does. That should give you a faint idea of what's possible (assuming you've got Greg's raw skills)