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#1
hey guys, i have a question

if every1 says that solid state amps arent as good as tubes, and tube amps sound way better at hight volumes, then y do most bands use solid state amps in their live shows (im not sure abt recording)??
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#2
im not sure if many bands use them live, from what i know most bands will use tube mic'd tube combos or unmic'd tube halfstacks

there are a few bands that do, this fellas blog lists all i know if.

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Dimebag was known to use solid state Randall amps, his distorted tone is pretty sick IMO.

EDIT: Ah nice list, although it may be a bit misleading. I wonder how often Jimmy Page used a Vox SS or Alex used a H&K SS...maybe once or twice in the studio.
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#4
Metallica, and dimebag used Ampeg VH140 things at one pouint.

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then y do most bands use solid state amps in their live shows (im not sure abt recording)??


Really? I think most use tube live, except for the exceptions listed above.
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BB King used solidstates, and Metallica used the Roland Jazz Chorus on the black album for the clean bits, solid state isn't the worst thing, it's just that people have been jumping on the tube bandwagon and all. Not to cloud your perspective, tube amps > solid state tonewise.

And also yes, Dimebag used solidstates, though he sounded more like a chainsaw mating with a spinning blade more then a guitarist.

wonder how often Jimmy Page used a Vox SS


I doubt Page used a SS amp in the studio, maybe for his theremin, he did get like 75% of his tone from overdriven tubes...
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Randalls use SS preamps dont they? ive never seen a randall with preamp valves, eventhough they always display their power tubes.

and its not so much a tube bandwagon, more a tube cult.

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Quote by stykerwolf
BB King used solidstates, and Metallica used the Roland Jazz Chorus on the black album for the clean bits, solid state isn't the worst thing, it's just that people have been jumping on the tube bandwagon and all. Not to cloud your perspective, tube amps > solid state tonewise.

And also yes, Dimebag used solidstates, though he sounded more like a chainsaw mating with a spinning blade more then a guitarist.


I doubt Page used a SS amp in the studio, maybe for his theremin, he did get like 75% of his tone from overdriven tubes...


i like the sound of a chainsaw then
#10
i dont know about SS amps for gigs and recording, but i know that alot of bands will run like this...

Something huge for gigs (6505 maybe, JCM 800, 900 or 2000, 5150 II)

and then a tiny 5/15 watt tube amp in the studio (tiny terror, valve junior, peavey nano etc)

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^^ depends on the wattage of the stack and the size of the gig =]

i never bother mic'ing my Valvestate because its the same wattage as the PA we use (100w)

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dont see a point in micing Malmsteen's 24 halfstacks (notalways connectedbut he's got em (like he says in his VideoSchool :p)) that'senough for blowing a house with only one powerchord :p


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24 half stacks is much more a sign of vanity than it is a need for volume.

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Only one will be on, and miced.



maybe 2, or 4 if we wants to run that way.

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with these walls of stacks i'm willing to bet there's a single amp somewhere out of sight that's mic'd



probably something like an epiphone valve junior combo hidden behind all them marshall cabinets.

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roland something or other right?

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#21
Maybe for cleans or really tight, metal distortion, but you won't see many guitarists using solid state for light to moderate overdrive, which is where tube amps really shine in my opinion. I know Alex Lifeson and Sonny Landreth both use really high end modelling amps, but their setups are way more expensive than anything typically being suggested on this forum.
#23
a lot of punk and post-punk/new wave type bands used solid state amps in the mid-late '70s and early '80s.

for example XTC - their guitarist andy partridge used a solid state H+H combo live up until about 1979.

Joy division are another example - Bernard Sumner used a Vox hybrid amp (UL730?) to produce a very grindy raw tone, and Ian Curtis used a Yamaha solid state but only really played clean and didn't play guitar that often either, and his tone was absolutely horrible...

I also think elvis costello ran his fender jazzmaster through a solid state Peavey combo, and can be seen tweaking it during a performance of 'I don't want to go to chelsea' on youtube somewhere.

Also joe jackson's "look sharp" album has some very solid state sounding guitar tones which sound like a H+H amp.

mucho late edito: Bernard Sumner also allegedly used H+H amps with new order as well..
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#25
Heres the few that I know of off hand..

Pantera
SOAD
Cannibal Corpse
Dying Fetus
Death
Static X
Meshuggah
Metallica
Santana
BB king
White Zombie
Suffocation
Decapitated
Megadeth
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#26
Most of the 'bands' the OP is talking about IMO are probably people just getting started who don't know much about tone/can't afford a tube amp, so they have their Spider and MG and what not.
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I'd use solid state amps if i had a good-un. I really like the Fender deluxe 1600 for some reason - i think they are MIM and may have reliability issues but there are some nice tones to be extracted from them. My favourite "budget" solid state so far.
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#30
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Im very surprised Static-X uses SS amps. I know they use Marshall, but I never thought they went solid state. their tone is very unique
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#31
Quote by nightraven
with these walls of stacks i'm willing to bet there's a single amp somewhere out of sight that's mic'd

Lots of people do that actually. Brad Paisley has a wall of Dr. Z amps behind him just for show, and his rig is set up full wireless from guitar to pedals (which I think is just switches to choose amps) to rig and backstage
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Im very surprised Static-X uses SS amps. I know they use Marshall, but I never thought they went solid state. their tone is very unique


Wayne's tone has been Marshall MG's for years now.. He brags about it all the time and its plastered all over the marshall site.. Thought everyone knew that..
#33
^ true that. his tone sounds like an mg imo.
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#34
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^ true that. his tone sounds like an mg imo.


+1

The only good thing is it works for his music. Same thing can be said about spiders I have heard a few bands pull it off because it goes with there sound. Namely industrial genre's.
#37
i should clear somethings up when people say that a heavy metal band uses a SS amp its usually the roland jazz chorus 120. and its used for there cleans so don't expect to get there distorted tones from SS they tend to use peavey 6505s and the like
in all honesty if you like the tone it produces why care whether its SS or tube?
#38
Quote by edbert
Dimebag was known to use solid state Randall amps, his distorted tone is pretty sick IMO.

EDIT: Ah nice list, although it may be a bit misleading. I wonder how often Jimmy Page used a Vox SS or Alex used a H&K SS...maybe once or twice in the studio.

Yeah, I had already read that Dimebag used SS amps.. But did he used them live too? His tone is unmistakable
#39
maybe we could name Kurt Cobain which i think use Crest amplifier ( PA amplifier ) for the touring of in utero if i remeber correctly and possible some recording .

Chad kroeger of Nickelback used a Vox valvetronix 100 ( hybrid ) for his clean sound .
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i should clear somethings up when people say that a heavy metal band uses a SS amp its usually the roland jazz chorus 120. and its used for there cleans so don't expect to get there distorted tones from SS they tend to use peavey 6505s and the like
in all honesty if you like the tone it produces why care whether its SS or tube?


I beg to differ.....

Pantera
SOAD
Cannibal Corpse
Dying Fetus
Death
Static X
Meshuggah
Metallica *Jazz Cleans
Santana
BB king
White Zombie
Suffocation
Decapitated
Megadeth
Five Finger Death Punch
BFMV *Jazz Cleans

12 out of 14 metal bands I listed that dont us an SS for just there cleans is far from your statement that usually when they say metal and ss its a Jazz Chorus.
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