#1
Hi,

This summer I will earn about 800eu, if I sell my old head (hughes and kettner tube 50) I will get about 400eu for it. So that leaves me with a budget of a 1200-1500 (if I really stratch it).
I would like a nice modern lead sound, but also a very nice clean channel.
The amp should take pedals very well to.
I would like it to sounds a bit like: isis, neurosis, cult of luna, tool, mastodon, mouth of the architect,...
And I have a fender tele and a 412 celestion greenback cab.
What amps pop to your mind?
I will certainly check some amps out used and new before I buy.
I'm now thinking:

- used : vht pittbull, jcm 800 w/ mod or OD, jcm 200 (dsl 100)

- new : orange rockerverb, mesa boogie single rectifier

what do you guys think? Or is it worth to just stick a little with the old head and experiment a little more?

cheers
Hendrik
#2
i'm not entirely sure you are going to be able to get those high gain sounds like mastodon through a tele, the pickups just won't be hot enough to give you that level of overdrive.

try upgrading your guitar first.
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#3
Quote by doive
i'm not entirely sure you are going to be able to get those high gain sounds like mastodon through a tele, the pickups just won't be hot enough to give you that level of overdrive.

try upgrading your guitar first.


Yes, well, I really did buy the guitar a bit to fast.
What guitar would be a good option?
Gibson SG used?

Or just a hot rail set of pick-ups for my tele?
#4
Quote by henis
Yes, well, I really did buy the guitar a bit to fast.
What guitar would be a good option?
Gibson SG used?

Or just a hot rail set of pick-ups for my tele?

i think a mohagony body is what you need, so look for a used SG
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#5
Quote by guitarsftw
i think a mohagony body is what you need, so look for a used SG


Will the body change the tone a lot?
a used sg will still be like 500eu minimum.
So I would really have to cut down on my amp money.
But will the tube 50 sound fatter in your opinion with a dual humbucker?
#7
Quote by Regensgeliebte
well, you can put sth like hot rails into your tele, it will be okay distortion


Will it be FAT?
#8
something in-between. it's a single-sized humbucker, and gives you like around 3/4 of pure humbucker. i think i'd go this way - it's much better to spend more on amp.
body wood will change some timbre of your sound, but it is not that crucial - all in all you just need hotter output, not the mahagony timbre
#9
why not have the tele modded with a humbucker in the bridge position? would save you more then getting a new one. i dont see what a mahogony body would do, the tone difference would be so little you would hardly be able to tell the difference imo.
#10
Quote by Regensgeliebte
something in-between. it's a single-sized humbucker, and gives you like around 3/4 of pure humbucker. i think i'd go this way - it's much better to spend more on amp.
body wood will change some timbre of your sound, but it is not that crucial - all in all you just need hotter output, not the mahagony timbre

this would be a ver ygood option too.
#11
if you are playing clean, the wood really affects your tone, but i cant imagine a guy listening to br00talz distorted sound and saying "Hell yeah, it must be swamp ash!"
#12
well, I love my neck pickup in the tele and we play post-rock in our band so cleans are really important.
I've been looking into getting a hot rail soon.
But do you feel like I should upgrade on the amp to?
#14
no need to swap both pickups, go with the bridge mini-humbucker only
and amp... i'm not really into the stuff you want to play, so cant really help
#15
yeah, I'll swap the bridge pup and then set the volume on the neck pup right.
I hope my amp will sound a bit tighter then.
I only have the amp for a few weeks (traded it used for my epi les paul (though it was a good deal) and I really dislike the high-gain channel, it's really fuzzy, but still, I have no money now so I've got to live with it. The clean channel is really the best I have ever heard on any amp.
#16
What about a nice Engl amp like the Screamer. On www.thomann.de it is only €900. You could then plow some more cash into an additional guitar for the heavy stuff, giving you a much more versatile set up.
#17
Quote by doive
i'm not entirely sure you are going to be able to get those high gain sounds like mastodon through a tele, the pickups just won't be hot enough to give you that level of overdrive.

try upgrading your guitar first.
That's nonsense.

Isis use Tele's, and although they are humbucking ones, your single-coil Tele will still sound fat, impressive and punchy. You just have to find the right tone with the right EQ'ing and amp, which is what the question is... seriously, why the hell are people telling him to get new pick-ups when he already plays a lovely guitar?

I assume you are in the States, so suggesting amps like ENGL, Orange, Marshall, Laney, Hughes&Kettner or Koch will not be the most practical, unless you go second-hand. They are mostly common in the States, but they are over-priced.

A Mesa Boogie Single Rect is a very sweet amp. Simple, but gets the job done. It has a touch too much compression and "hi-fi"-ness for my taste, but a lot of people really like that. It's bass and treble is a liquid mix, but you may need to boost it's mids to help it shine.

Do you need to gig with the amp?

What H&K model do you have?

You could probably pick these up second-hand (even though I said I wouldn't suggest them)

ENGL Fireball - it's mostly designed for Heavy Metal, but it does have a rawness and a lack of subtlety to it that you may love.
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Engl-Fireball-60W-Guitar-Amp-Head?sku=481520#new

Bogner Alchemist - I love the dark vibe this amp has. It doesn't have that much gain to it for an amp that feels like it belongs in Death Metal band, but that's the way it should be. If you cloud the tone with too much unatural, preamp distortion the tone disapates. It also has a very EQ system, plenty of power and decent Delay and Reverb.
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Bogner-Alchemist-Series-40W-Tube-Guitar-Amp-Head?sku=483409#new

Laney TT50 - A very nice amp for plenty of versatility. It doesn't quite have the classic British grit that a GH50L would have, but it's still very nice. In fact, try and find a GH50L Head. They are very simple but sound all the more better for it.
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Laney-TT50H-50W-Tube-Guitar-Amp-Head?sku=481406#new

Peavey 6505+ - Don't buy it from here, look on ebay or craiglists. You can pick them up dirt cheap these days. It's tones are totally compressed and unearthly, but it's power and fullness is undeniable. Not quite my cup of tea, but it's highly recommended.
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Peavey-6505-Plus-120W-Guitar-Amp-Head?sku=481432#new

Randall MTS - effective if you like to alter your tone easily.
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Randall-RM50HB-50Watt-Modular-Tube-Amp-Head?sku=481265#new

Peavey JSX - ebay sell these at very nice prices all the time. They play everything quite nicely.
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Peavey-JSX-Joe-Satriani-Signature-Head?sku=480114#new


Let me check ebay for you and I'll post a few amps I personally really like.
Last edited by AngryGoldfish at Jul 1, 2009,
#18
Marshall DSL 100. These amps are a bit... lacklustre, but it could well be your cup of tea.
http://cgi.ebay.com/MARSHALL-DSL100-LEAD-HEAD_W0QQitemZ230340227974QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a158f386&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A4|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A1|294%3A200

I know you already own a H&K amp, but if you like the tone, maybe think about this one as a replacement. Speaking of which, what is wrong with your old one? Maybe a new one is not necessary?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Hughes-Kettner-Trilogy-100W-Head_W0QQitemZ270419084318QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef63bc41e&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A4|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A1|294%3A200

I've heard great things about Splawn, but unfortunately, I have yet to try one.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Splawn-Nitro-2009_W0QQitemZ220444572730QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3353853c3a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A4|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A1|294%3A200

Mesa Boogie Mark III. The Mark IV is a little better to some, but I can't make a proper decision as I have played neither.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mesa-Boogie-Mark-III-Coliseum_W0QQitemZ250453893992QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a50372368&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A4|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A1|294%3A200

Here is the ENGL Fireball again. It is a lovely amp, but not very versatile. It's clean are nice, but nowhere near as opulent as others here I've suggested.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ENGL-Fireball-60-Watt-Guitar-Amp_W0QQitemZ320391552982QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a98d31fd6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A4|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A1|294%3A200

Here is the Laney again. I prefer the GH50L (I found one!) but this has far more options for tweaking and ease of disovery, where 'your' tone may lay. But if you don't like that thin, whispy British grit, maybe you should avoid Laney, Marshall and Orange. That's not to say you should not try them out, I'm only speculating.
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Laney-TT100H-Tube-Head-with-Pedal-triple-Rec-EL34_W0QQitemZ250456258412QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a505b376c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A4|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A1|294%3A200

Dual Rectifier.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mesa-Boogie-Dual-Rectifier-with-Foot-Switch_W0QQitemZ280363798828QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4146fc112c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A4|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A1|294%3A200

I don't personally like the Reissue's that much, but I've had very little experience with them, so I can't say fo sho.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Marshall-JCM-800-Model-2203-Vintage-Reissue-Amp-Head_W0QQitemZ290327042541QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4398d719ed&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A4|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A1|294%3A200

Another lovely Laney.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Laney-VH-100r-100-r-VH100r-100-watt-tube-amp-head_W0QQitemZ290325559278QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4398c077ee&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A4|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A2|294%3A200

Soldano are on my list of amps to play, but they are nigh-on impossible to find in Europe. They come highly recommended.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Soldano-Avenger-Custom_W0QQitemZ200358509438QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2ea64c3b7e&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A4|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A2|294%3A200

A nice guy on here owns one of these me-thinks. He says it's great.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Splawn-Quickrod-Quick-Rod-100-50-watt-tube-head-minty_W0QQitemZ220445100994QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item33538d4bc2&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A4|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A2|294%3A200

Another Soldano.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Soldano-Hot-Rod-50-head-New-6L6-tubes-All-original_W0QQitemZ200358312187QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2ea64938fb&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A4|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A3|294%3A200

Here is the Alchemist, but cheaper.
http://cgi.ebay.com/LINE-6-BOGNER-ALCHEMIST-GUITAR-AMP-HEAD-BSTOCK_W0QQitemZ200356211662QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2ea6292bce&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A4|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A3|294%3A200

I actually couldn't find a 6505+, but this essentially sounds the same.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Peavey-6505-Guitar-Head_W0QQitemZ200357079314QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2ea6366912&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A4|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A3|294%3A200

Here is the GH50L
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Laney-GH50L-50-Watt-Tube-Guitar-Head-Amp-FREE-SHIP_W0QQitemZ390062759666QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad18d5ef2&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A4|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A3|294%3A200
#19
Single rec? I've heard a lot of great things about these amps; although I've yet to try one myself, I hear they take a lot of dialing in to get a good tone. Some just don't like their low end.

I tried the Alchemist about two hours ago and I must say, I really like it. I would definitely put that on your list of amps to test drive.
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#20
don't get a mesa. huge rip-off in europe. get an ENGL, Laney, Orange, or Framus.
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#22
I'd just like to chuck in that a Tele will give you great heavy tones with a bridge 'bucker - because it's a lighter and brighter body wood it can give you some really tight tones.

As for the amp, an ENGL or a used Mesa would be great.
#23
check out carvin amps, legacy or mts have great clean channels and heavy dirty channels
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#25
I say look for a Peavey JSX or XXX in that price range.
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#26
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I say look for a Peavey JSX or XXX in that price range.

he's in EUROPE

so no. peavey are way overpriced there.
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#27
Are you gigging with it? I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet, or not.

The JCM800 is a great amp. The older ones are particularly flavoursome.

This is a crackin' amp and is very optional. I prefer it to the higher-spec'd, more expensive Powerball. I have yet to try a Fireball again since last May, so I may like it more over that, as well. To save money, you can combine it with a nice cabinet.
Blackmore Sig:
http://www.thomann.de/ie/engl_blackmore_signature_e650_topteil.htm
Framus Dragon 2x12
http://www.thomann.de/ie/framus_fr212_cb.htm

This another fantastic ENGL. I'd prefer the Blackmore personally as it sounds just as good as the Fireball, but has more features and more options for tonal shaping.
http://www.thomann.de/ie/engl_fireball_e625_gitarrentopteil.htm

If you like British crunch, these are great:
http://www.thomann.de/ie/laney_tth50.htm
or
http://www.thomann.de/ie/laney_vh100rn_b_stock.htm

This will be enough for gigging, particularly with a 4x12, but 30 watts is more practical for home use:
http://www.thomann.de/ie/orange_ad30htc_gitarrentopteil.htm

This is a wonderfully dark and enigmatic amp. It doesn't do br00talz that well, but that's it's key and beauty.
http://www.thomann.de/ie/bogner_alchemist_hd.htm

Any of those amps will work well with either of these cabinets:
Pricey, but the solid, metal chasis means it compliments the slightly "processed" sound of ENGL amps very neatly. V30's are most likely your simplest option for speakers, but others are just as highly recommended.
http://www.thomann.de/ie/engl_e212vh_gitarrenbox.htm

Not particularly great build construction, but they sound nice.
http://www.thomann.de/ie/orange_ppc212cob.htm

Best cab around when in a budget.
http://www.thomann.de/ie/framus_fr212_cb.htm

These are a few combo's that are worth looking into:
http://www.thomann.de/ie/bogner_alchemist_212_combo.htm

http://www.thomann.de/ie/engl_raider_100.htm

http://www.thomann.de/ie/hugheskettner_switchblade_100_combo.htm

This is more designed for blues and Jazz, but it suits stoner rock great.
http://www.thomann.de/ie/koch_amps_twintone_ii_combo.htm

This is not to everyone's taste, but I like it.
http://www.thomann.de/ie/marshall_jvm410c.htm

http://www.thomann.de/ie/orange_ad30tc.htm

I have yet to play anything from Soldano, but this might be great if you're not a gigging musician. It can still be gigged, but you won't have a lot of clean headroom with 20 watts.
http://www.thomann.de/ie/soldano_astroverb_112_gitarrencombo.htm

Sorry for the American links before, I misunderstood where you lived.