#1
Why/how/when did early humans decide to like and more importantly, create music?

I don't understand what makes the human brain enjoy what we call "good" music. Don't take me wrong, I love a facemelting solo as next as the next person, but what makes me like the way it sounds? Can someone enlighten me?
#2
It is an expression of emotion. human beings are emotional creatures and therefore the emotions of others affect us profoundly. Hearing music is the same as hearing someone talk to you and tell you things directly.
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#4
music evolved from storytelling, the original source of entertainment from the beginning of time. once music fully developed, it was so multi-faceted that everybody on earth enjoys some form of it. it's ultimately the one constant in society and the one thing every culture has in common: music.
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I read an article in The Economist and they said it was to attract a mate.
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#8
Not everyone likes music. There's a disorder called Amusia where basically people can't process differences in pitch, rhythm, et cetera. These people find no enjoyment from it
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i like music because it says more than any language.
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Not everyone likes music. There's a disorder called Amusia where basically people can't process differences in pitch, rhythm, et cetera. These people find no enjoyment from it

That's sad.


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nah. in seriousness we all love music as it is an intrest to us. like some people like physical entertainment like sports. and fapping...

some people like the mental way of entertainment like music. and mind shizzle
but obviously people love both types. but im more of a music guy
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I don't think you guys get what the OP is asking.

If i understand correctly, you want to know what makes certain musical patterns evoke certain emotions over others, and why these seem to be consistent with most creatures?

Good ****ing question. I don't think anyone can truly answer that. In fact, I asked that myself not too long ago and no one could give me a good answer.
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the same reason, we like to view visual art, and eat food that tastes good, and touch stuff, that doesn't feel nasty.
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I don't think you guys get what the OP is asking.

If i understand correctly, you want to know what makes certain musical patterns evoke certain emotions over others, and why these seem to be consistent with most creatures?

Good ****ing question. I don't think anyone can truly answer that. In fact, I asked that myself not too long ago and no one could give me a good answer.




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Well if you read "This Is Your Brain On Music", the author suggests that we innately enjoy music perhaps because it was part of an aspect of our evolution. Music could have been used as an attraction for mating because it signified that you have advanced beyond the usual food-and-resource scavenging and you have time to devote to something that's purely aesthetic. It could have also been used as a form of social bonding. In time, it became pathologically built into our brains to enjoy music. Studies have also shown that babies are more attracted to tonal music than noise or atonal music.

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Well if you read "This Is Your Brain On Music", the author suggests that we innately enjoy music perhaps because it was part of an aspect of our evolution. Music could have been used as an attraction for mating because it signified that you have advanced beyond the usual food-and-resource scavenging and you have time to devote to something that's purely aesthetic. It could have also been used as a form of social bonding. In time, it became pathologically built into our brains to enjoy music. Studies have also shown that babies are more attracted to tonal music than noise or atonal music.

But why is it that certain patterns tend to evoke certain emotions over others, and why is it consistent for most creatures? If I'm not mistaken, sad music is understood as sad music almost universally by most creatures.
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not trying to thread jack, but related to this why do you think, people have diffrent tastes in music, eg: i like blues, bob likes rock, jimmy likes country, and nigel liks Hip-hop...
same as art, ex. i can't stand abstract art but ove landscapes, and others like still lifes, ect.
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But why is it that certain patterns tend to evoke certain emotions over others, and why is it consistent for most creatures? If I'm not mistaken, sad music is understood as sad music almost universally by most creatures.

Well, the direction and manners in which notes move have obvious, almost visual effects, which we can understand easily.

Why we understand them so easily is probably due to our innate ability to process music.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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not trying to thread jack, but related to this why do you think, people have diffrent tastes in music, eg: i like blues, bob likes rock, jimmy likes country, and nigel liks Hip-hop...
same as art, ex. i can't stand abstract art but ove landscapes, and others like still lifes, ect.


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Well, the direction and manners in which notes move have obvious, almost visual effects, which we can understand easily.

Why we understand them so easily is probably due to our innate ability to process music.

but music is really just noise.
mabeye we relate music-noise to life-noise heard out side of music, like laughing, crying, animals and so on?nand thats how we get a "feel"

EDIT:and i know we are all different but at one point all the music we could get without going to some other country was all the same or similar, and we were very content with it...
not complaining but pointing out, music taste used to be based on where you lived and wat you had acess to, is it possible that these type of things still influnce us now?
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but music is really just noise.
mabeye we relate music-noise to life-noise heard out side of music, like laughing, crying, animals and so on?nand thats how we get a "feel"

Music is different from general noise because it is consciously organized by us, so it's almost like a language. It is true that we relate the sounds in music to physical life, and classical masters especially excel at imitating life with music. However, music itself as a language, also expresses by itself emotions and movements.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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Well, the direction and manners in which notes move have obvious, almost visual effects, which we can understand easily.

Why we understand them so easily is probably due to our innate ability to process music.

Yeah, but that still doesn't understand the question. It's just deferring it to another point. Why do certain frequencies (or rather patterns of certain frequencies) carry certain connotations with them?

The 'visual translation' is good, but only explains so much. I've tried to take it a step further with the following:

Anyone that's ever had the chills roll down their spine during a song can relate. Now, apparently those 'chills' are correlated with the feelings you get from (strong) memories. So, yes, music can draw out visualizations or non-visual sensations of those good or bad memories, but it still doesn't explain the very core aspect of it all. Of course, the chills don't just come from songs. Anything can trigger them. Art certainly helps though.

It's almost like a magical ritual, isn't it? Using music to experience those chills. The more experienced persons can evoke that feeling without the aid of music, only looking within themselves. Like myself, but only sometimes. I guess you have to be a higher level wizard for that.
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Yeah, but that still doesn't understand the question. It's just deferring it to another point. Why do certain frequencies (or rather patterns of certain frequencies) carry certain connotations with them?

Frequencies? I can't say I fully agree that we naturally make specific assumptions about certain frequencies.

An isolated A4 to me is as meaningless as an isolated B6.

I assume this is what you mean by frequencies...

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Frequencies? I can't say I fully agree that we naturally make specific assumptions about certain frequencies.

An isolated A4 to me is as meaningless as an isolated B6.

I assume this is what you mean by frequencies...

Yes, absolutely, which is why I said 'or rather, patterns of certain frequencies'

An isolated note is useless. There needs to be context. Isn't that what life's all about?
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Yes, absolutely, which is why I said 'or rather, patterns of certain frequencies'

An isolated note is useless. There needs to be context. Isn't that what life's all about?

But with patterns and phrases, then I have to refer to my previous claim that the direction and manner that the notes move in provides almost visual context for us, which is why we perceive them to be of specific impressions.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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But with patterns and phrases, then I have to refer to my previous claim that the direction and manner that the notes move in provides almost visual context for us, which is why we perceive them to be of specific impressions.

Yes, but where does this context come from? How did we, as a collective of conscious beings, arrive to this?
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Yes, but where does this context come from? How did we, as a collective of conscious beings, arrive to this?

That I can't systematically tell you. I'm no neurologist.

But like I said...it must be partly genetic and inherent in our processing capabilities and that's why we universally perceive some things the same.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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That I can't systematically tell you. I'm no neurologist.

But like I said...it must be partly genetic and inherent in our processing capabilities and that's why we universally perceive some things the same.

Word. All we need to do now is wait for a neurologist to join UG.


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Well if you read "This Is Your Brain On Music", the author suggests that we innately enjoy music perhaps because it was part of an aspect of our evolution. Music could have been used as an attraction for mating because it signified that you have advanced beyond the usual food-and-resource scavenging and you have time to devote to something that's purely aesthetic. It could have also been used as a form of social bonding. In time, it became pathologically built into our brains to enjoy music. Studies have also shown that babies are more attracted to tonal music than noise or atonal music.

I knew that me playing guitar/listening to the same music as girls I find attractive was for a reason. Now to free up more time for aesthetics... oh wait I have nothing but time