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#1
I'm making this thread because I'm just startin out with improv, and I want some scales to work with besides the simple A and E-minor pentatonics that I know already. Please post both the name of the scale and the tabs and/or description of the notes. Thanks UG
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#2
Pentatonics with an intelligent use of accidentals

is there any other answer?
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#4
Phrygian dominant hands down ... ok, and sometimes blues.
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Natural Minor, Phrygian, Locrian, Phrygian Dominant.

Really? I can't never really work out a nice melody from it (for obvious reasons) and if I want a spacey feeling I'll stick with the octatonic scales.
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Natural Minor, Phrygian, Locrian, Phrygian Dominant.

^this. although i dont know what a Phrygian Dominant is, but i'm still learning theory. but i play mostly Natural Minor and Locrian.
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^this. although i dont know what a Phrygian Dominant is, but i'm still learning theory. but i play mostly Natural Minor and Locrian.

Phrygian with a sharpened 3rd. Try it, has a very exotic feeling.
#7
haha, I'm just a sad person and I use a blues scale pattern for everything and just ignore the key I'm in and just play what sounds right.
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#8
Harmonic Minor!

But try this site.. It has like every scale and scale position thing whatever.. http://www.guitarists.net/scales/
I use it a lot because I'm just starting to learn soloing and all that.
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Phrygian with a sharpened 3rd. Try it, has a very exotic feeling.

thanks, i'll be sure to try that.
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#11
Quote by 11macj
I'm making this thread because I'm just startin out with improv, and I want some scales to work with besides the simple A and E-minor pentatonics that I know already. Please post both the name of the scale and the tabs and/or description of the notes. Thanks UG

well first, you should know how to play the pentatonic in all keys anywhere on the neck. so i suggest making sure you take some time to put aside and learn that.

to answer the question, i like to use the pentatonic as a "base scale" to build from. in most styles of music, pentatonic scales are "safe" in that they almost always work. but from there, you can add in extra notes to make it the major scale, the minor scale, dorian, lydian or some other mode or scale or you could simply just use some notes here and ther as you please. and if you go to far out, you can always come back the the "safe" notes of the pentatonic. a lot of my speed runs are based a lot on pentatonics a la eric johnson.
#12
I like major and minor scales, diminished as well. Not really too much pentatonic anymore for some reason.
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Quote by demonofthenight
is there any other answer?

You best be jesting.

When I improvise, most of the time I don't think about what scale I'm playing or am going to play. I like to switch between a lot of different scales plus use a lot of accidentals. Overall to let my ear lead the way. A good way to practice this, I think, is to make a one chord vamp, sometimes a chord without a third. That way you can use basically any scale over it, and any accidental. You can make some really cool sounding music like this, pushing your solos to very intense heights.
#18
Quote by awesomeness
Harmonic Minor!

But try this site.. It has like every scale and scale position thing whatever.. http://www.guitarists.net/scales/
I use it a lot because I'm just starting to learn soloing and all that.


Great site, thanks!

...all this really makes me want to take music theory in my senior year of HS lol
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#19
I always use notes from the chromatic scale. Here, I have tabbed out an ascending chromatic scale on E over the span of two octaves.

|---------------------------------------------------|
|---------------------------------------0-1-2-3-4-5-|
|-------------------------------0-1-2-3-------------|
|---------------------0-1-2-3-4---------------------|
|-----------0-1-2-3-4-------------------------------|
|-0-1-2-3-4-----------------------------------------|

Seriously though, being given tabs of various scales will not teach you as much as you would like, especially out of musical context. If you need to be given tabs of these scales, then you apparently do not understand how they are used. Right now, you should keep focusing on your pentatonic scales. Also learn the major and minor scales. I recommend that you find some backing tracks or better yet, record your own and find out what scales you can use and how.
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Quote by 11macj
Great site, thanks!

...all this really makes me want to take music theory in my senior year of HS lol

That's not going to help you one bit. You don't need to to learn a load of patterns, you need to understand what a scale actually is.

If you know Em and Am pentatonic then you should know the other 10 keys because they all use the exact same intervals, also do you know them all ove rthe neck or just one position. If you do then the next place to look is learning the major scale, learn the notes on the fretboard, learn about intervals and you'll actually start understanding things as opposed to picking from a load of random dots on a diagram and hoping for the best.

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#22
Minor and Major if I'm going for a sweet melody, but minor pentatonic (with accidentals) if I'm going for speed.
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That's not going to help you one bit. You don't need to to learn a load of patterns, you need to understand what a scale actually is.
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a group of notes that follows a particular pattern.

Quote by 11macj
I'm making this thread because I'm just startin out with improv, and I want some scales to work with besides the simple A and E-minor pentatonics that I know already. Please post both the name of the scale and the tabs and/or description of the notes. Thanks UG



Try learning a solo or something.

Commonly used scales for soloing, that would be good for you to familiarize yourself with....

minor pentatonic
minor blues
Major pentatonic
Major blues
Major
minor


There are lot's of scales, some with fancy names, but these are the scales your most likely to encounter on a consistent basis in popular music.
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#25
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a group of notes that follows a particular pattern.



The pattern in a scale is WWHW..etc. He wasn't talking about those kind of patterns. He was talking about not learning the shapes on the fretboard without learning how the scale works and intervals within it.
#26
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#27
Shred: Pentatonic Minor, Harmonic Minor, Major, etc.
Song Impov: Major or Pentatonic Minor (most of the time)
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The pattern in a scale is WWHW..etc. He wasn't talking about those kind of patterns. He was talking about not learning the shapes on the fretboard without learning how the scale works and intervals within it.


I know what he was talking about.

still, whether it's on paper or on a guitar neck, you do actually have to memorize patterns.
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#29
Yes, but learning a load of patterns, just patterns, without taking the time to explore each one fully isn't much use to anyone.
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#30
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harmonic minor


Runs in this never, I mean NEVER get old.
Nothing is more pleasing than hitting that root note with some wide vibrato after a nice harmonic minor run.
#32
Why does everyone keep saying they like playing in phrygian dominant? I doubt any of the people that have said that actually play phrygian dominant. More than likely, you're playing natural (or harmonic) minor with a b2 and major 3 thrown in.
#33
Quote by demonofthenight
Pentatonics with an intelligent use of accidentals

is there any other answer?

same for me really, seems simple looking at everyone else's posts but I like it.
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#34
Quote by steven seagull
Yes, but learning a load of patterns, just patterns, without taking the time to explore each one fully isn't much use to anyone.



Of-course, how much a person explores/studies/learns has an impact on their progress. That pretty much goes without saying, for any topic.
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#36
Another question, and I know it's wicked off-topic, but does anyone know what scale KG (Tenacious D of course) uses in that epic run in Master Exploder? It's about 54 seconds in, and I'm just curious about what scale it is even though I could just get the tab.
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#37
Quote by steven seagull
If you know Em and Am pentatonic then you should know the other 10 keys because they all use the exact same intervals, also do you know them all ove rthe neck or just one position.


I know those 2 pentatonics all over the neck, and I've dabbled in a few others (like g-something) but I don't remember what the shape was. I have really just been working on building speed with what I know so far.
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#38
Quote by 11macj
I know those 2 pentatonics all over the neck, and I've dabbled in a few others (like g-something) but I don't remember what the shape was. I have really just been working on building speed with what I know so far.


They all use the shame shapes, in different locations on the fretboard.
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#39
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#40
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They all use the shame shapes, in different locations on the fretboard.

Oops, sorry. It was a C Phrygian, looking back at my papers. I don't know where I got G from...
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