#1
I have been scouring the craigslist ads and Ebay for a used JCM 2000, either a DSL 50/100 or a TSL 60/100. I am unsure of what would be a fair price for these amps though. It seems like the 100's are often not getting hits on the sellers asking prices of ~800-1000, but the lower wattage models and combos seem to snag at least 700.

I was hoping to land a DSL 100 for 750ish or a TSL 100 for 850ish. Are these too low of expectations? Should I raise my offers? I local guitar center has a used TSL 100 for $1000 but Im assuming I could get a 15% discount out of them.

Thoughts?
#2
i just typed in JCM 2000 on ebay and i didn't see a single one over 800 that had any bids.

in fact, there's a DSL 100 going for less than 600 and it's over in three hours. i would jump on that ****.


EDIT: AND it comes with a roadcase!!! jesus, i might have to bid on this one.

i would post the link, but, IIRC the mods don't like ebay links.
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#3
The 100 watts arent all that much better to be honest, slightly more volume and headroom, but because of that a bit less gain to go round, i dont think they're worth the extra money. I prefer the DSL to the TSL, because i have no need for that middle channel really
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#4
Dsl 50/100 ~ $650 - 850
Tsl 50/100 ~ $500 - 750
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#5
Yeah, I didnt think I was too crazy with what I was looking for, but a lot of craigslist sellers Ive ran into seem stubborn about the prices, and I hate Ebay because I can't view the amp first and I always end up losing in bidding wars.

Interesting that MatrixClaw has the TSL priced at less than the DSL. When I tried both they didnt sound too different, and obviously the TSL has more features. WHy the lower price?

Thanks for the advice.
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Yeah, I didnt think I was too crazy with what I was looking for, but a lot of craigslist sellers Ive ran into seem stubborn about the prices, and I hate Ebay because I can't view the amp first and I always end up losing in bidding wars.

Interesting that MatrixClaw has the TSL priced at less than the DSL. When I tried both they didnt sound too different, and obviously the TSL has more features. WHy the lower price?

Thanks for the advice.

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#7
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Because TSLs suck.


Thanks for the well thought out, descriptive and helpful response.

Can someone who isn't 13 perhaps expand on the TSL vs. DSL? I've only had about 15 minutes in a GC with a TSL and it didnt sound all that different than the DSL to me other than perhaps a bit more scooped sounding. Is there something I'm missing about the TSL?
#8
The TSLs are generally thought of as more muddy and just overall lesser sounding when compared to the DSLs.
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#9
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The TSLs are generally thought of as more muddy and just overall lesser sounding when compared to the DSLs.


I'll jump in here and say that as a TSL owner it really isn't that bad. I mean, i have a 2x12 combo, closed back on the ground (due to space , im only in my bedroom and there's a guitar hung up above it ) so you'd have thought if the amp was muddy then this would really make it overly muddy? Well it isn't if you eq it okay. I havn't tried the DSL but it's definatly possible to get a very trebley tone if you use the presence dial and get some mids in there too.

The clean channel is definatly far from muddy too, the crunch is the only one that is abit muddy but like i say, just roll the bass back to about half way and put treble abit over halfway and presence at like 7 or maybe 8 and then dial mids how you like then you can get a trebley sound. I actually have the presence higher than the treble just so it dosnt get too peircing. I use humbuckers too so if you have singlecoils there wouldnt be much of a muddyness issue at all.
#10
I got my Dsl 50 mint with brand new tubes for 600 locally. I would just wait it out on ebay or visit some pawn shops and music stores in your area.
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#11
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I got my Dsl 50 mint with brand new tubes for 600 locally. I would just wait it out on ebay or visit some pawn shops and music stores in your area.


Was it from a shop or craigslist? That is a great price and I would gladly pay that.
#12
My bandmate plays a TSL60 and it is a wonderful amp. Great all around and it gets amazing tube saturation at higher volumes. I've never tried a DSL, but the TSL is by no means a bad amp, quite the opposite.

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The TSLs are generally thought of as more muddy and just overall lesser sounding when compared to the DSLs.

Yea Matrixclaw is right, as usual.
Yea, the TSLs didnt impress me, at all. They sound boring. However, the DSLs are pretty good sounding, and the tonal variety is rediculous.
#14
The TSLs do not suck.

I just think the extra channel is useless, adds mud and more fizz to an already buzzy sounding high gain tone. In fact, I love the DSL but I think even the red channel on the DSL is useless and does not sound very good at all.
#15
The difference* is very small, there probably is a difference because there is more going on inside the amp with the third channel, but the bandwagon people over-exaggerate it and just say TSL's suck.
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#16
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The difference* is very small, there probably is a difference because there is more going on inside the amp with the third channel, but the bandwagon people over-exaggerate it and just say TSL's suck.
Truthfully, even though I say it sometimes, but no high end amp really sucks.

I don't particularly like the TSL, JCM900 DRs or dual channel JCM800s, but I mean in the end, they all still sound pretty good lol. It's just very easy to bash a company like Marshall when they put out something short of spectacular considering their pedigree (though they haven't been doing so hot lately with their releases, nothing has really blown me away yet)
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#17
Quote by al112987
Truthfully, even though I say it sometimes, but no high end amp really sucks.

I don't particularly like the TSL, JCM900 DRs or dual channel JCM800s, but I mean in the end, they all still sound pretty good lol. It's just very easy to bash a company like Marshall when they put out something short of spectacular considering their pedigree (though they haven't been doing so hot lately with their releases, nothing has really blown me away yet)

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My opinion is Marshall need to push back to the jcm800, and start again from there.

Follow what companies like spawn and diezel are doing

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