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#1
I'm going to look at a guitar tonight, and I don't have very good musical ears. I can't tell if a guitar sounds good or bad. Unless you're comparing a First Act to an Epiphone, then I can tell the difference.

Will I have any trouble knowing if the guitar sounds good?
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#2
Depends on what amp you're plugged into. With guitar it's mostly about feel and playability, sound isn't as important, but it's still a big deciding factor.
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Depends on what amp you're plugged into. With guitar it's mostly about feel and playability, sound isn't as important, but it's still a big deciding factor.


baha? sound is more important! id rather a great sounding guitar thats hard to play over one that sounds like **** but plays like butter
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baha? sound is more important! id rather a great sounding guitar thats hard to play over one that sounds like **** but plays like butter



~80% of the tone comes from the amp, and 10% from pickups that can be replaced. Amps make your guitar feel nicer to play. Also, if it feels nicer to play you'll get a nicer tone out of your fingers.
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#5
Oh okay, I'm getting the same amp my teacher uses in our Lesson room. So when I test out my guitar, and it there's similarity in the sound, then that means it's good?
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#6
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#7
Hmm, I'm not sure what you mean.


Out of interest, what guitar/amp are you getting? Some people here might have some experience with either and will be able to aid you.
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Hmm, I'm not sure what you mean.


Out of interest, what guitar/amp are you getting? Some people here might have some experience with either and will be able to aid you.



Sg special and Fender Frontman 15g
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#9
play on the clean channel a song you would normally play on a acoustic, if your using someone elses amp(hope that isn`t the case) fiddle with the B,M,T till you hear something you like then go completley the other way, then set all the setting to 12`oclock, this way you will get a idea of the quality of the pups and the tone of the guitar.
go over to the dirty channel (if the amp has 1) and see what it sounds like try some harmonics to see what the pups are like.

try the pups in all positions on all channels and play as many styles as you know.


then have a look at the setup looking at action, neck joint and any buzzing frets, only you know whether your gonna be happy its your cash afterall.

the sg`s are a simple guitar so you shouldn`t have any major tech issues
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play on the clean channel a song you would normally play on a acoustic, if your using someone elses amp(hope that isn`t the case) fiddle with the B,M,T till you hear something you like then go completley the other way, then set all the setting to 12`oclock, this way you will get a idea of the quality of the pups and the tone of the guitar.
go over to the dirty channel (if the amp has 1) and see what it sounds like try some harmonics to see what the pups are like.

try the pups in all positions on all channels and play as many styles as you know.


then have a look at the setup looking at action, neck joint and any buzzing frets, only you know whether your gonna be happy its your cash afterall.

the sg`s are a simple guitar so you shouldn`t have any major tech issues



Very good advice!
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Sg special and Fender Frontman 15g

no. just no.
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no. just no.



Yes, just yes? O_O
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Yes, just yes? O_O

both that amp and guitar aren't good.
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#14
Terrible, as a matter of fact.
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Terrible, as a matter of fact.

agreed.
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#16
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Terrible, as a matter of fact.



Why does everyone bash on Low end Epi's? I think they sound pretty good for the price.
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Why does everyone bash on Low end Epi's? I think they sound pretty good for the price.

because there's better for the prices. and they fall apart/break easy...
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If you want suggestions for a guitar to look for you could let us know your budget...?
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because there's better for the prices. and they fall apart/break easy...



My friend dropped his G-310 from his case. The case was open, he didn't notice and he picked it up and the SG came crashing down. There was no damage.
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#20
Idk, my squier strat and my MIM strat have a HUGE sound difference. Thats just me though.

For that price, look into this: http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-PAC012DLX-Pacifica-HSS-Deluxe-Electric-Guitar?sku=519177

And do you already have the amp? If not, look into a http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Roland-Cube-15X-Amp?sku=487030#new ?
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Idk, my squier strat and my MIM strat have a HUGE sound difference. Thats just me though.

For that price, look into this: http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-PAC012DLX-Pacifica-HSS-Deluxe-Electric-Guitar?sku=519177

And do you already have the amp? If not, look into a http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Roland-Cube-15X-Amp?sku=487030#new ?



I've heard my friends old Pacifica, I like the sound of the SG better, by a long shot.

The roland cube isn't available anywhere near me, and I'd prefer not to buy an amp off the internet.
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#22
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My friend dropped his G-310 from his case. The case was open, he didn't notice and he picked it up and the SG came crashing down. There was no damage.

there's a difference between the G-310 and a special 2...
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there's a difference between the G-310 and a special 2...



Aren't they built the same?
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Aren't they built the same?

similar. there are similarities, but the 310 is made of alder, special with basswood. (not bashing basswood at all, good basswood is amazing.) the 310 is just made better than the special 2's.
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similar. there are similarities, but the 310 is made of alder, special with basswood. (not bashing basswood at all, good basswood is amazing.) the 310 is just made better than the special 2's.


true. The special 2 isnt that great a guitar but, i think the bigger problem would be the little frontman amp you are getting. Frontman amps are horrible. Wat is your budget for the amp?
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~80% of the tone comes from the amp, and 10% from pickups that can be replaced. Amps make your guitar feel nicer to play. Also, if it feels nicer to play you'll get a nicer tone out of your fingers.


80% tone comes from the amp? thats bs. when i play my hollowbody through my fender twin reverb it sounds VERY different then my strat through the same amp. they both have similar pups. that massive difference doesn't just come from the "10%" you mentioned.

and playability has nothing to do with tone. the "finger tone" you mentioned doesn't change from guitar to guitar. say a guitar has an extremely wide neck that makes it hard to get your hand around it. that doesn't change the tone.

And how does your amp make your guitar "feel" nicer??? amps don't change the playability of your guitar
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80% tone comes from the amp? thats bs. when i play my hollowbody through my fender twin reverb it sounds VERY different then my strat through the same amp. they both have similar pups. that massive difference doesn't just come from the "10%" you mentioned.

and playability has nothing to do with tone. the "finger tone" you mentioned doesn't change from guitar to guitar. say a guitar has an extremely wide neck that makes it hard to get your hand around it. that doesn't change the tone.




First let me tell you that you are extremely wrong.... So just stop talking and listen...

Of course a Hollow-body is gonna sound different then a strat.... It's a hollow-body...

And playability has everything to do with tone... The more perfect you can play something, the less excess noise will come from the note, Thus...Wait for it... Better tone...

And if your playing with a guitar that has a huge neck, and for some reason you can't play well on it... Your gonna play crappy, making all kind of excess noise that you wouldn't get from a guitar you play well. hence crappy tone...
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First let me tell you that you are extremely wrong.... So just stop talking and listen...

Of course a Hollow-body is gonna sound different then a strat.... It's a hollow-body...

And playability has everything to do with tone... The more perfect you can play something, the less excess noise will come from the note, Thus...Wait for it... Better tone...

And if your playing with a guitar that has a huge neck, and for some reason you can't play well on it... Your gonna play crappy, making all kind of excess noise that you wouldn't get from a guitar you play well. hence crappy tone...

i'd listen to this guy, because he really knows his stuff. thanks biga.
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80% tone comes from the amp? thats bs. when i play my hollowbody through my fender twin reverb it sounds VERY different then my strat through the same amp. they both have similar pups. that massive difference doesn't just come from the "10%" you mentioned.

and playability has nothing to do with tone. the "finger tone" you mentioned doesn't change from guitar to guitar. say a guitar has an extremely wide neck that makes it hard to get your hand around it. that doesn't change the tone.

And how does your amp make your guitar "feel" nicer??? amps don't change the playability of your guitar



Since when does 80% + 10% = 100% ?? Haha.


TS you'll regret that setup in the near future. If you're in any way serious about guitar, as I suspect you are since you mentioned lessons, I'd suggest spending a little bit more and getting something you'll use longer. Or, GASP, buy used. Search around for a bit...I stumbled upon a MIM Fender Strat for $125 in pristine condition. I'm sure you could find a comparable deal if you really want to get the most for your money. As for the amp goes, I've heard great things about the Vypyr series ($99 for 15 w, Roland cube 15 watt, etc.

There have really been countless people on this forum in your position with the same budget (granted, you haven't told us yours, but I'm just guessing here...). Use the searchbar. Between the sarcastic posts and the half-way sarcastic (like mine), you're bound to stumble upon some useful information.
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TS you'll regret that setup in the near future. If you're in any way serious about guitar, as I suspect you are since you mentioned lessons, I'd suggest spending a little bit more and getting something you'll use longer. Or, GASP, buy used. Search around for a bit...I stumbled upon a MIM Fender Strat for $125 in pristine condition. I'm sure you could find a comparable deal if you really want to get the most for your money. As for the amp goes, I've heard great things about the Vypyr series ($99 for 15 w, Roland cube 15 watt, etc.

There have really been countless people on this forum in your position with the same budget (granted, you haven't told us yours, but I'm just guessing here...). Use the searchbar. Between the sarcastic posts and the half-way sarcastic (like mine), you're bound to stumble upon some useful information.

he already bought the guitar... there's an NGD thread of it already... =/
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he already bought the guitar... there's an NGD thread of it already... =/



Oh, I missed it.

I'm sorry for your poor choice of equipment TS, but do NOT let it inhibit your love for the guitar. Any first guitar/ beginner guitar you will outgrow and get a new one to replace it. What you find lacking in your setup as you progress make note of to avoid it in a future purchase.
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Quote by Juadafi
~80% of the tone comes from the amp, and 10% from pickups that can be replaced. Amps make your guitar feel nicer to play. Also, if it feels nicer to play you'll get a nicer tone out of your fingers.


I dunno, my tone completly changed after I got a new pickup.
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i'd listen to this guy, because he really knows his stuff. thanks biga.


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Why, your welcome.



Since you work in a music store, can I ask you something?

Is it a stereotype that the salesman know nothing about guitars?
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#35
Yeah, I find that how much a difference an amp makes is overblown on this site... Amps make a huge difference, but not 80-90% like most people here say...


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Is it a stereotype that the salesman know nothing about guitars?



No, when he became a salesmen he had to give up all his knowledge of guitars.
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Since you work in a music store, can I ask you something?

Is it a stereotype that the salesman know nothing about guitars?


Depends on what section of the store they were hired to work in. people come up and ask me stuff about sound equipment all the time, And I do that "I'm not sure let me check" *walks to the sound room,* "Oh there you are Eddie. Hey listen, do we have any..." *To Customer* "What was it that you needed?"

So I try to stay near the guitars all the time....

But then you have the guys who know so much about guitar, that they don't care if they get a sale as long as the person walks out knowing, that That guy knew everything about guitar... Seriously, my friend once missed a sale because when a guy asked him if he bought a guitar for his 6 year old daughter, how often would he need to change the strings, because he didn't have that much money to buy strings with, And my friend was like, "Well, if shes gonna be gigging alot, I recommend changing them at least once every couple of weeks..." She was freekin six!
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I'm going to look at a guitar tonight, and I don't have very good musical ears. I can't tell if a guitar sounds good or bad. Unless you're comparing a First Act to an Epiphone, then I can tell the difference.

Will I have any trouble knowing if the guitar sounds good?


supposedly beating a dead horse but best thing to do is play the guitar acoustically. see how well it sings/resonates, hear the sustain, hear the crispness of it and compare it to another guitar (higher quality and lower quality) and see how they sound different. that's one of the best ways to work out if a guitar sounds good from the factory excluding the amp part.
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Depends on what section of the store they were hired to work in. people come up and ask me stuff about sound equipment all the time, And I do that "I'm not sure let me check" *walks to the sound room,* "Oh there you are Eddie. Hey listen, do we have any..." *To Customer* "What was it that you needed?"

So I try to stay near the guitars all the time....

But then you have the guys who know so much about guitar, that they don't care if they get a sale as long as the person walks out knowing, that That guy knew everything about guitar... Seriously, my friend once missed a sale because when a guy asked him if he bought a guitar for his 6 year old daughter, how often would he need to change the strings, because he didn't have that much money to buy strings with, And my friend was like, "Well, if shes gonna be gigging alot, I recommend changing them at least once every couple of weeks..." She was freekin six!



Do most stores have some kind of luthier or anyone who sets-up a guitar?
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Do most stores have some kind of luthier or anyone who sets-up a guitar?


We have a really good repair man, but I don't know if he's a luthier.
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We have a really good repair man, but I don't know if he's a luthier.



Should every store have a luthier or repair man?
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