#1
Hey guys. I need some help with a humbucker with... missing wires...?

So my friend got a humbucker off some dude on Craigslist and well, my friend that he got "gyped" and that he "couldnt get it to work" so he gave it to me.

Its a Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates. It does not have any Green wire AT ALL and the White wire runs for a bit and then just STOPS half way - its not even connected to the pup Is this pickup usable with only Red, Black, and Bare wire??? I would like to run both coils and not permanently split.

Thanks
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#2
Well, I don't know if this info is correct, but I'll spill the beans anyways...

on my pup, from GFS,
Red+White are soldered together,
Green is hot
Black is ground
Bare wire is ground

You might be able to use a single coil of it, seeing as the green wire is missing.

Perhaps you could google search for me and provide a wiring diagram? I got too much on my hands right now.
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#3
Would be going in a Schecter C-1 Classic

SCHECTER'S:
http://www.schecterguitars.com/schematic/schecter_C1_CLASSIC.pdf

DUNCANS':
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2hum_1vol_1tone_super5way

Idk what schematic to use but they are very similar but NOT the same

Is theres no way for it to be a humbucker rather then split/single?
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#4
I'd wait for a professional to help you with these(or a very smart person with pickup knowledge)

I had a brain burst a bit earlier, solving my problem with my pedal, and I don't think it has worn off yet. So, my brain is like supercharged.
Anyways, using logic, and the diagrams you have provided me, I believe you could be able to use it. Just no coil splitting. This is, judging if whats on the diagram, is colour coded to yours.

Is this a neck pup, or bridge pup? That would help a lot. It sould be labeled somewhere, it's commonly just a N or B or M with a circle around it.
I guess you could also figure out, by looking at the pole piecies in coordination with the label.
If the screw-like poles are on top, and label on bottom, it's a neck pickup, and screws on bottom, label on bottom, bridge. This is also assuming this diagram is accurate.

I just have to say again, I am not a reliable source of knowledge, now if someone comes and confirms what I have said, that's a different story.
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#5
Its a bridge, but im using it as a neck. I dont need coil splitting, just want a humbucker. If not, then permanent split will do I suppose...

Stock pickups were Duncans too so I just followed the colors. The bare and black went to volume pot (unlike the schecter diagram which displayed green instead of black), and connected the red to where the white and red normally goes. I'm greenless so thats left alone...
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#6
TS look up InvaderJims Tut on converting a 2 wire pup (I know this is a 4 wire connection you have as theissue) But it will help you rewire so you can used the pup with a coil tap. Two wire pups are really common anything cheap will be a 2wire affair.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1144316&highlight=4+wire+tut
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Last edited by Unherolike at Jul 9, 2009,
#7
Quote by Unherolike
TS look up InvaderJims Tut on converting a 2 wire pup (I know this is a 4 wire connection you have as theissue) But it will help you rewire so you can used the pup with a coil tap. Two wire pups are really common anything cheap will be a 2wire affair.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1144316&highlight=4+wire+tut


Okay, thanks. I'll check that out later. Ive been trying to solder what I have already and IDK if the pup even works anymore... then again Im not too experienced with soldering so it probably does work, its just that I suck lol.

Can't seem to get any sound out of this neck pup... And I'm getting the bridge pickup in the neck AND bridge position (weird huh?). Wtf am I doing sooo wrong? O_O

*Noob* lol
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#8
I don't need pics, seeing as I'm a complete idiot at looking at pictures... I just sit there and go "duuuuuhhhhh"

But, lots of people will say pics.
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#9
Timbit WTF are you talking about Pics are a vital part of the GB&C just because you don't need pics to just take an wild stab in the dark about a TS's issues. Take this post for example https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=20658052#post20658052 Thats guy is not getting very good help because he is not posting pics (not really his fault he says his camera is dead).........so you wanna tell me whats wrong with his set up?............

Anyways I hope I helped you in some way Snarl hope all gose well that Pup is quite good from what I hear.
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#10
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Timbit WTF are you talking about Pics are a vital part of the GB&C just because you don't need pics to just take an wild stab in the dark about a TS's issues. Take this post for example https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=20658052#post20658052 Thats guy is not getting very good help because he is not posting pics (not really his fault he says his camera is dead).........so you wanna tell me whats wrong with his set up?............

Anyways I hope I helped you in some way Snarl hope all gose well that Pup is quite good from what I hear.


It was 3:00 in the morning when I wrote that... Noone can think clearly at 3:00 in the morning, after staying up 'till 4 the night before, then 1:00 every other night.

I know that thread, I read it last night. I think it's the one about EMGs sounding bad? I didn't actually go to the URL, but just remebered the thread.
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#11
Lol okay now, I can hear Shao Kahn in the background saying "Fight!" haha jp

Well I'll show you what I have and yes my soldering sucks <_< Anyway heres some pix but they are hard to see much (sorry) so I also made a diagram which I think is more reasonable to look at.

Pix here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/unclenchedfists/DSC_0472_468.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/unclenchedfists/DSC_0474_470.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/unclenchedfists/DSC_0474_471.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/unclenchedfists/DSC_0474_472.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/unclenchedfists/DSC_0474_476.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/unclenchedfists/DSC_0474_477.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/unclenchedfists/DSC_0474_479.jpg


Diagrams here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/unclenchedfists/1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/unclenchedfists/2.jpg

For the neck, I desperately started RANDOMLY soldering different wires to the switch in many variations, hoping I could get it to play - but no good Ohhh the agony........ And yes I used some cheat method cos I had short wires! The previous neck pup was a Duncan so I matched the colors together with the PG - at least what I had (black to black, bare to bare, etc). And again, PG is missing RED, GREEN, and BLACK. Bridge pup works JUST FINE.

Thanks all
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#12
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It was 3:00 in the morning when I wrote that... Noone can think clearly at 3:00 in the morning, after staying up 'till 4 the night before, then 1:00 every other night.

Protip: Don't post if you know you aren't going to think clearly. it's like drinking. Don't get smashed if you have a job interview in twenty minutes.

SnarlNbutter, take a look at the Ultimate Wiring Diagrams thread. It should have some useful stuff in the first post, particular the Seymour Duncan page.
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#13
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Protip: Don't post if you know you aren't going to think clearly. it's like drinking. Don't get smashed if you have a job interview in twenty minutes.

SnarlNbutter, take a look at the Ultimate Wiring Diagrams thread. It should have some useful stuff in the first post, particular the Seymour Duncan page.


Roger that lol. I will check it out. Thanks

EDIT: Uhh... search feature sucks on here and no luck on Google <_< I'll continue to look for it but if you could so kindly sir to link me, I'd be forever in debt to you (lol).
Quote by racman92
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Last edited by snarlNbutter at Jul 9, 2009,
#15
Snarl, you have a 5 conductor pickup. Even if you only try to connect signal and ground, that is 20 different possible permutations. Add to that the fact that you are missing wires. Don't randomly solder. Investigate an answer!

1. find out what the wires do. Lucky for you, Brian has a diagram. http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr151/zakkwyldefan79/PickupWireColorCodes-1.jpg
If you had looked at the Ultimate Wiring thread, you would have found this.

2. find out which wires you are missing. You are missing an earth/ground, your pickup will not work as a bucker without that. Methinks you could use it as a single if you connect black as signal and white to earth/ground.

3. evaluate whether you want to open the pup up and connect new leads like Unherolike said.
Last edited by cedricsmods at Jul 9, 2009,
#16
Send me the pup and I will fix it for you for free. Just pay shipping. As collateral, I'll send you my Gibson 490T. That way maybe you'll trust that I won't try and steal it or something.

I'd tell you how to do it yourself, but I get the impression that you'll only mess it up more.
#17
Quote by timbit2006
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1019006

It's under a sticky.
Theres a sticky of ultimate threads, and it has this in it.


Awww thank you. Sorry I'm semi-new here

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Quote by cedricsmods
out what the wires do. Lucky for you, Brian has a diagram. http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr151/zakkwyldefan79/PickupWireColorCodes-1.jpg
If you had looked at the Ultimate Wiring thread, you would have found this.

2. find out which wires you are missing. You are missing an earth/ground, your pickup will not work as a bucker without that. Methinks you could use it as a single if you connect black as signal and white to earth/ground.


Thanks for the link. By the way, the PG doesn't have a white wire :\ Only Black, Bare, and Red.

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Quote by Invader Jim
Send me the pup and I will fix it for you for free. Just pay shipping. As collateral, I'll send you my Gibson 490T. That way maybe you'll trust that I won't try and steal it or something.

I'd tell you how to do it yourself, but I get the impression that you'll only mess it up more.


Hmm...... very tempting but I've always been the paranoid/skeptical type when it comes to trusting people like this... especially on the internet (no offense lol). But I'll think aobut it. Maybe you have a good rep? Anyone know if Invader Jim is an honest n good guy? (Sorry, not to be rude... )

And yes... you are right <_< I would probably mess it up more But I'll read the threads provided above and see what I can do. IDK if I'll like it as a permanent split. Are you capable of making it a 5-wire HB again, Invader?

EDIT: Btw, I would HAVE to pay you. I dont like being in debt especially to a genuine kindness <_< I'm Asian raised in an Asian home so you understand...
Quote by racman92
Trust Jim, dude. He's a hero to us all. Don't dishonor him with such petty doubts.


LOL my petty doubts :P You're right though
Last edited by snarlNbutter at Jul 9, 2009,
#18
Jim is the most honest and good guy on GB&C.
If all you have is bare, black and red, I don't think you can make it work without modifying the pickup. You don't have much to lose.
#19
Totally understandable TS. I don't blame you. I have a +5 or 6 in the Good/Bad Trader thread in gear ads (all bad traders get banned btw). You can ask in The Jim Thread and I'm sure you'll get nothing but good reviews. Plus bad people don't get nominated to be mods

If you want I'll send my pup first and you can wait until you have it in your hands, then send yours. You have a link to my tutorial, so you know I'm capable of doing it. I can wire it up back to SD codes in a jiffy.

If it's a SD and all you have is black and red, you can't use it as a regular humbucker. You'd have to at least have black and green. Bare is just for grounding the mouting bracket.
#20
Quote by cedricsmods
Jim is the most honest and good guy on GB&C.
If all you have is bare, black and red, I don't think you can make it work without modifying the pickup. You don't have much to lose.

What he said. I'd trust him, mostly because even if he does gyp you, you'd have a Gibson 490T.
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#22
You can trust Jim.
He's one of the most well known people on GB&C.
There's a whole thread about him!
don't know what goes on in that thread...
But I guess it's a mystery I'll never solve.
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#23
Trust Jim, dude. He's a hero to us all. Don't dishonor him with such petty doubts.

But seriously, if you want it fixed, hes the guy to do it.
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#24
Alright kool. I'll trust Jim lol seems to be a popular guy.

Don't worry about the collateral thing though. Honestly, I dont want to be responcible for something of any value. What if I break it, gets stolen, or lose it? Sure, thats less then 1% chance of happening but you never know lol. Plus, one way just makes it easier.

I'll just send it with some money for S&H. Then if it works, hey, expect a check in the mail too :P

I'll PM you. Thanks Jim
Quote by racman92
Trust Jim, dude. He's a hero to us all. Don't dishonor him with such petty doubts.


LOL my petty doubts :P You're right though
#25
In case anyone is wondering... Jim fixed it



EDIT: well he did that awhile ago. its been shipped back n i've soldered it in. everything is A -OK
Quote by racman92
Trust Jim, dude. He's a hero to us all. Don't dishonor him with such petty doubts.


LOL my petty doubts :P You're right though