#1
Alright pit, I know there are daeth metal fans here, what kind of side effects of mastering the most brutal vocal style (between that and black metal) in existance.

Personally I would almost always have a sore throat, I went through a 100 pack of popsicles a week, good thing the damn things were cheap.

(If this belongs elsewhere could it be moved please)

EDIT: To clarify I'm not asking for help, I'm asking you guys to relate your stories.
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#2
if you have a sore throat, you're doing it wrong.

EDIT: it is very difficult to sing in that style correctly, out of all the local death metal bands I know I know only 1 guy who can actually sing correctly
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#3
http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/insideac/music/all/play655002


Thats an example of my lows... skip to :12 to hear two voices at once

And here are two videos I made to teach you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoeqzmosjeQ

Youtube is down..when it comes back up, Ill post the one for highs
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#4
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Alright pit, I know there are daeth metal fans here, what kind of side effects of mastering the most brutal vocal style (between that and black metal) in existance.

Personally I would almost always have a sore throat
, I went through a 100 pack of popsicles a week, good thing the damn things were cheap.

(If this belongs elsewhere could it be moved please)


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#5
There shouldn't be any. It must come from the diapragm, and drink plenty of water and just practice.

If your throat is sore afterwards, you're doing it wrong.
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#7
If your throat is sore, stop immediately. Drink plenty of warm water before and during, cold water shocks your vocal chords and milk creates too much phlegm. It should always come from the diaphragm, and it will take time to get your growls lower. Also, there is a growling thread in the metal forum.
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#8
I never said I was doing it right!
It took me forever to get anywhere because the habbit of using my throat to get the vocals was sp inground.
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#9
From all i've learnt is that for cookie monster:

You don't growl using your throat, I think it's supposed to come from your chest...


Then again, i've only tried it at an inconsistent level and I am not sure if the way I know is right or not.
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#10
You have to sing from the "bowels" of your lungs
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#11
Lol, epic Strong bad reference. *goes and does a trogdor guitar cover*
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Wow, that was vile. Just a reminder of why I hate that kind of music

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#16
Warm up and stretch your throat by talking and drinking warm water ify ou wanna avoid a bit of pain.

when it comes to screaming you can either do it or you can't, really.
when i do it, it doesn't hurt. But after gigs or band practice my throat feels a big like.. tired?
my voice deepens a bit but i don't get pain in my throat.

my growls are done by tensing my stomach or something
screams are done by constricting my throat when i'm 'talking' or singing or w/e

I can do 45 min gigs pretty easy.

I'm glad i don't sing, you can't put the two together well from my experience.
I used to sing but not anymore.

among a few; Tommy Giles from Between the Buried and Me and Michael (sp) from Opeth are the only ones i know who can do both correctly without one really effecting the other.
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#17
at first i wanted the high ones, didn't even bother looking at tutorials in youtube so everyone thought i was the cookie monster and laughed.
About 6 months later, i tried with the low ones, this one with some tutorials in youtube. Did a good job for my age (15) but some people still thought it was the cookie monster.
As my high death metal vocals are so funny, guess im staying with that one just to fool around.
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From all i've learnt is that for cookie monster:

You don't growl using your throat, I think it's supposed to come from your chest...


Then again, i've only tried it at an inconsistent level and I am not sure if the way I know is right or not.


Im still the cookie monster
#19
I would check out the Zen Of Screaming it really helps with screaming. It has also helped my growls as well.
#20
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I'm glad i don't sing, you can't put the two together well from my experience.

Growling hasn't really had any adverse on me singing-wise. Now, trying to switch between screams and singing quickly is another story. My throat just doesn't swap modes that quickly.

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I would check out the Zen Of Screaming it really helps with screaming. It has also helped my growls as well.

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#21
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There shouldn't be any. It must come from the diapragm, and drink plenty of water and just practice.

If your throat is sore afterwards, you're doing it wrong.


This is a misnomer popularized by those who like using obscure organs in their vocal advice. The diaphragm is an involuntary muscle sitting just below the lungs; it cannot be controlled to produce sound, nor does it make any sound.

Instead of trying to make the sound come "from the diaphragm" as people suggest, it should come from the low chest, which has been commonly misinterpreted as "the diaphragm".

It is not generally fun learning death metal vocals, actually. Being able to produce them however is immensely awesome.
#22
I find that the Zen of Screaming is ridiculously hard to follow, not very instructional and not very dynamic in the techniques.

Honestly, the whole DVD makes me think of a giant infomercial, just telling you about Melissa Cross' course, and the vocalist's experiences with her.
It's bull**** really, I learned how to do it more on my own (trying out different methods and researching online) than I did following her instructions. Though they made more sense when I went back to it.
The second one seems to be more instructional than the first, but it's still ****.

One of my friends bought the first one, I didn't bother and downloaded them both because I had a feeling they were going to be a waste of cash. It almost seemed too good to be true, lol.

I had such a hard time getting it right though, and I only know how to do it with the fry technique, any other techniques I've tried kill my throat immediately. I used to do false chord screaming and tried to guttural and more harsh vocals using that... and OMFG that was a baaad mistake on my part. Sometimes it would work and not hurt, but sometimes it would get so bad that I could hardly sleep that night.
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