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Something I've been wondering about; why are some things written in 3/4, and some written in 6/8? Anyone who passed 3rd grade math can tell you they're the same thing.... I've heard about different tendancies belonging to each of them, but the only one I've noticed is most things I've seen in 6/8 have a little bit of a waltz kind of rhythm to it. What other differences are there?
#2
Why do some people call it F sharp and some people call it G flat?

I'm guessing the answer would be similar.
#3
6/8 time is compound time. It's used more often for dotted quarter feel.

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Why do some people call it F sharp and some people call it G flat?

I'm guessing the answer would be similar.

It depends on the tonality of the moment. An Eb in the moment of E major is not Eb, but D#. It's a protocol that makes reading the notation easier and have better flow.

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6/8 time is compound time. It's used more often for dotted quarter feel.


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6/8 time is compound time. It's used more often for dotted quarter feel.

This guy's got it.

It's all about rhythm and pulse TS.
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Why do some people call it F sharp and some people call it G flat?

I'm guessing the answer would be similar.


Depends on the key you're playing.
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#8
6/8 is usually accented on the fourth beat making it sound like triplets in 2/4.
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Depends on the key you're playing.

Really? I thought different people just had different preferences on what to call it.

*needs to read up on more theory and the like*
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Isn't the top number the amount of notes and the bottom number the kind of notes?

The top number indicates how many pulsations in a measure. The bottom note indicates what note rhythm the pulsation is based on (whole, half, quarter, eighths, etc).

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6/8 time is compound time. It's used more often for dotted quarter feel.


It depends on the tonality of the moment. An Eb in the moment of E major is not Eb, but D#. It's a protocol that makes reading the notation easier and have better flow.

Oh, so it's just a matter of reading and what people are used to seeing?

Edit: After reading the responses that were posted while I was posting the above message, in 6/8 you actually emphasize each eighth note as the beat, as opposed to quarters?
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The top number indicates how many pulsations in a measure. The bottom note indicates what note rhythm the pulsation is based on (whole, half, quarter, eighths, etc).

Oh... So 3/4 would be 3 fourth notes and 6/8 woud be 6 eighth notes?
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Why do some people call it F sharp and some people call it G flat?

I'm guessing the answer would be similar.



It depends what scale you're using

the same note is called different things, mainly because scales usually run alphabetical.

In some cases F is referred to as E#.
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Oh... So 3/4 would be 3 fourth notes and 6/8 woud be 6 eighth notes?


How 6/8 is usually felt:
0**0**
How 3/4 is usually felt:
0*0*0*
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Oh... So 3/4 would be 3 fourth notes and 6/8 woud be 6 eighth notes?

3/4 is 3 beats of quarter (crochet) notes.

6/8 is 6 beats of eighths (quaver) notes.

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Oh... So 3/4 would be 3 fourth notes and 6/8 woud be 6 eighth notes?

Yes. The lengths are exactly the same but it's the rhythms that differentiate the two signatures.

Also, just a reminder:

fourth notes --> quarter notes
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Listen to Nothing Else Matters by Metallica for hearing the 6/8 signature...
one two three FOUR five six - one two three FOUR five six...
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3/4 is 3 beats of quarter (crochet) notes.

6/8 is 6 beats of eighths (quaver) notes.

Ok... So, visually (helps me) 3/4 would be something like

---- ---- ---- | ---- ---- ---- |

( "-" = note, "|" = end of measure)

?

EDIT: \/ actually, that's really helpful. I think i get it now.
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#19
the explanation i was given is that 3/4 counts like "ONE and TWO and THREE and"
while 6/8 counts like "ONE and a TWO and a"
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Oh, so it's just a matter of reading and what people are used to seeing?
Sort of. It's a logical placement and is not arbitrary at all. The reason why in the key of E major, it's a D# instead of an Eb is that the D# represents the major 7th in the sequential order. Eb is the same pitch, but it messes up our flow with the key of the moment because it is essentially saying -1 instead of 7.

Also, imagine seeing these 3 consecutive notes: E, Eb, E. It's very confusing to read and your coordination gets messed up. However, E, D#, E, will guide your fingers into the right places just from the pure appearance of how the notes are represented.


Edit: After reading the responses that were posted while I was posting the above message, in 6/8 you actually emphasize each eighth note as the beat, as opposed to quarters?

Yes.

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EDIT: \/ actually, that's really helpful. I think i get it now.


Hey that's about the same thing I said earlier!









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I always thought 3/4 was the waltzy one.

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Ok... So, visually (helps me) 3/4 would be something like

---- ---- ---- | ---- ---- ---- |

( "-" = note, "|" = end of measure)

?

EDIT: \/ actually, that's really helpful. I think i get it now.



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Ok... So, visually (helps me) 3/4 would be something like

---- ---- ---- | ---- ---- ---- |

( "-" = note, "|" = end of measure)

?

Yes.

And I guess by that graph, 6/8 would be

-- -- -- | -- -- -- |

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6/8s is like Duh-da-Duh-da-Duh-da and 3/4s is Duh-da-da




Why is it that out of all the well-explained responses, this is the one I understand best?
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Ok... So, visually (helps me) 3/4 would be something like

---- ---- ---- | ---- ---- ---- |

( "-" = note, "|" = end of measure)

?

I don't think I understand your diagram very well

An example of 3/4 with stright eighth notes would go as such:

(1)-and-(2)-and-(3)-and (1)-and-(2)-and-(3)-and...


And an example of 6/8 with straight eighth notes would go as such:

(1)-and-a-(3)-and-a (1)-and-a-(3)-and-a...


The "( )' marks are used as the accents. Now, sure you could place the accents anywhere you desired, but for the sake of example of showing the differences between the two signatures, I placed them where needed. The 6/8 signature can be related to heavily syncopated music, if that helps you remember it better.
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#32
^ So, 6/8 is like, triplets? Like in say, a heavy song with an open E played like "000 000 000"?
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^ So, 6/8 is like, triplets? Like in say, a heavy song with an open E played like "000 000 000"?

It can feel like triplets if the dominant rhythmic motion is dotted quarter notes:

DAH dah dah DAH dah dah. Think of any slow oldies and do-wops.

That's one of what compound time is for...to make an even rhythmic motion feel like it's built on triplets.

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^ So, 6/8 is like, triplets? Like in say, a heavy song with an open E played like "000 000 000"?

Yes, but remember they are straight eighth notes, not triplets. They have a triplet-feel to them when compared to []/4 signatures.

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Something I've been wondering about; why are some things written in 3/4, and some written in 6/8?

It depends on the feel, man. Something that sounds full of triple meter is most likely 6/8 or 12/8, while 1-2-3 duple meters are 3/4.

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Why is it that out of all the well-explained responses, this is the one I understand best?


Because that's how my teacher taught me.

We were in his car and I asked him and he goes "well, one is like Duh-da-Duh-da-Duh-da" and the other one is like "Duh-da-da" and then he starts singing some song that contains both and I was like "wtf" but I'll never forget that.
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Edit: After reading the responses that were posted while I was posting the above message, in 6/8 you actually emphasize each eighth note as the beat, as opposed to quarters?

Yes.


Er... no. There are not six quaver (8th note) beats in the bar, there are two dotted crotchet (dotted quarter notes) in the bar. It's very important you realise there are 2 beats in the bar for 6/8 time, not six.

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