#1
might be noob question. I hear talk that the original boss pedals made in japan were better than the new ones made in the usa. ie- ds1. However im just wondering as to whether or not this is just some stupid urban legend.lol As far as circuitry goes.... circuitry is circuitry. regardless of where they are made. arent they pretty much exactly the same? My ds-1 is a made in usa. does it matter?

srry if its a stupid question
#3
There's a difference between USA and Russian EHX Big Muff Pi pedals, because the different factories had to use different component models; or the blueprint changed between factory changes.
#4
i thought newer ds-1s were made in china or somewhere like that?
could be wrong tho
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#5
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i thought newer ds-1s were made in china or somewhere like that?
could be wrong tho

generally, Boss is made in Taiwan.
In either case, there is by no means the sort of difference that exists between the Russian Muff and the NYC Muff. The workmanship might be better on one, but that should be it.
#6
did you mean Japan vs Taiwan, TS ?
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did you mean Japan vs Taiwan, TS ?



+1, as far I as know boss has never made pedals in the US, especially not new ones.
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#8
It's Japan and Taiwan TS. It's not just location. They changed the circuits on many pedals and continue to change them all the time. They also switched to cheaper parts.
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It's Japan and Taiwan TS. It's not just location. They changed the circuits on many pedals and continue to change them all the time. They also switched to cheaper parts.


Not, true the pedals that were made originaly that are still made didn't change much at all as far as circuit goes, just cheaper workmanship and cheaper components. Also, most of their newer designs aren't very good, and that's another reason why poeple say Boss pedals were better when they were made in Japan. But like I said, a SD 1 from 1980 will have identical circuits to the newer ones, but will be more cheaply made.
#10
Older Boss stuff is made in Japan, newer stuff is made in Taiwan. Roland/Boss is a Japanese company, not American.

And like the others said, cheaper parts.
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Not, true the pedals that were made originaly that are still made didn't change much at all as far as circuit goes, just cheaper workmanship and cheaper components. Also, most of their newer designs aren't very good, and that's another reason why poeple say Boss pedals were better when they were made in Japan. But like I said, a SD 1 from 1980 will have identical circuits to the newer ones, but will be more cheaply made.


It depends on the pedal. I'm pretty sure the DS-1 had a major circuit change at one point with tweaks every now and then, I'll have to look up a schematic for the MIJ. The DD-3's only change is related to having to change chips and like you said, the SD-1 hasn't changed at all. But also like you said, the components have become crappier and that's what I believe to be the biggest factor as I think when they redesigned the circuit in the DS-1, they attempted to capture the sound of the previous design with a cost saving circuit.
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#12
thanks :-) all very good responses. Does this mean an old boss from the 80's would be worth more then a new one from today? I recently purchased a ds-1 for $80 AU(billy hyde), but b4 a purchased it another dude tried to sell me his old 80's ds-1 for $100AU.... and his reason for having it so much higher then the billy hyde retail price was bcuz "its better circuitry" - overall i think an excuse like that is bs.
#13
The 80s DS-1s are much better than the new ones but still aren't all that good. They are worth quite a bit more on the used market here though. You got screwed on the DS-1. They're like $40 new here and you can get em for half that used.
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#14
^ in case you didn't notice, he's an Aussie. which would mean the price is jacked to hell for him.
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#15
Yea, that's why I said he got screwed. All Aussie's get screwed in terms of gear.
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#16
yeah, they do. shame really. just looking over the prices of a few things on billy hyde makes me cringe.
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#17
billy hyde is the greatest theif known to man - more so than robi nhood and his jolly outlaws.... the workers at billy hydes are never even jolly haha. Ok all thanks for the help
#18
TS,my DS-2 was $75 AUD second hand.ALWAYS go second hand TS,always.
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#19
Aren't Roland a japanese company and boss is like an off-shoot of roland? they don't make pedals in america anyway afaik.

the new boss pedals are made in taiwan - most are the same but the DS-1 has gone through a few changes since they were made in japan and as a result the newer models sound a lot cheaper than the MIJs. they replaced the opamp chip several times so the newer DS-1s have very dry colourless distortion and a very treble edged sound with little bass output making a balanced tone quite difficult to achieve with some amplifiers, and also making it pretty much useless for anything other than boosting a tube amp. The older MIJs by contrast sounded smoother - still quite harsh as that's the whole point of the DS-1, and still a bit sterile, but they had a more balanced output making it more usable as a stand-alone distortion unit. The newer DS-2s are said to be closer to the sound of the MIJ DS-1s and according to guitargeek.com the MIT DS-2s are no different from the old MIJs along with most other boss pedals.
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