#1
Okay well I've decided to finally change the stock pups on the Epi SG G-400.

The only 2 companies i know are DiMarzio and Seymour Duncan. I'm looking for versatile pups that can handle everything from heavy distortion to amazing cleans.
Do pups like this exist?

- NO EMGs actually no actives at all.
- coil tapping is optional
- both neck and bridge
- im using a Line 6 Spider III 75W /flameshield

I play mostly stuff like Iron Maiden, Lamb Of God, Megadeth, Children of Bodom, and some other stuff that requires clean tones.

EDIT: i was looking at the Gibson Dirty Fingers too, but would they have too much of a high output?

EDIT 2: sorry forgot budget. $250 (less is preferred)
Last edited by siverstorm at Feb 15, 2010,
#2
I'd go with a DiMarzio Super Distortion/PAF, I think that's what Randy Rhoads used, and I love his tone. However, there's always Seymour Duncan Full Shreds and the JB/'59 combo.
#3
I have the DiMarzio Evo's in my guitar, and they sound great, and I play some of the stuff you mentioned.

They aren't EMG's and you can coil tap them

They are the Steve Vai PU's so you can kind understand what they will sound like. Dragon force uitarist use them too I believe.
#5
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#6
what amp do you have?
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#8
haha yeah buddy...

it would be best to get a new amp first...
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#9
New amp.
I'm not saying your amp is bad, I'm saying that to actually hear a great difference in pickups, you'll need a no-modeling, non-digital amp.
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#10
I got a 75W Spider II and I put a Tone Zone in the bridge and a '59 in the neck of my Jackson before getting a new amp. I plan on getting something in the $1000-$1500 range so saving for that was going to take time.

The Super Distortion is a great all around metal pickup and nothing you play seems TOO heavy for it. If you haven't heard a Tone Zone, give it a shot. Might want to take a look at some of the different PAF's for clean tones in the neck.

Edit: I heard a great difference between the Tone Zone and my old EMG-HZ's although that might be because the EMG's were pretty muddy.
#11
Quote by siverstorm
Okay well I've decided to finally change the stock pups on the Epi SG G-400.

The only 2 companies i know are DiMarzio and Seymour Duncan. I'm looking for versatile pups that can handle everything from heavy distortion to amazing cleans.
Do pups like this exist?

- NO EMGs actually no actives at all.
- coil tapping is optional

I play mostly stuff like Iron Maiden, Lamb Of God, Megadeth, Children of Bodom, and some other stuff that requires clean tones.

EDIT: i was looking at the Gibson Dirty Fingers too, but would they have too much of a high output?

EDIT 2: sorry forgot budget. $250 (less is preferred)


Are you changing both of the pickups? And what amp are you using?
#12
Quote by HeavyMetalDude1
Are you changing both of the pickups? And what amp are you using?


'09'er

The thread says "pickups" as in the plural of pickup. Read the thread if you want to know what amp he has.
#13
I have an Epiphone G-400 with 2 Dirty Fingers and the neck produces one of the most aggressive tones from a guitar I've ever heard. I don't even use the bridge pickup since the neck does what the bridge is supposed to do but better. But I really like that pickup. But then, again I have multiple guitars so I don't need it to sound good for everything.

You're not going to find good distortion and good cleans in one pickup since they're opposites. You can get a pickup that's "alright" for both, but not one that's great for both.
#14
Yea I'd be good with different ones in the neck and bridge as long as they sound good toghether.
#15
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#16
Your amp is a modelling amp so there is absolutely no point whatsoever in changing pickups. No matter what pickups you use, that amp is always going to do everything it can to make it sound the same. The only time you'll hear a difference is if you go from one extreme to another like P-90s to active humbuckers or low-output singlecoils to overwound ceramic humbuckers. Changing from one type of regular humbucker to another type of humbucker is going to make no difference. You will only be wasting your money.

The other aspect is no, there is no such thing as a pickup that can do top-quality cleans and also heavy metal distortion. To do that you need several things; a professional quality amp, specialist pickups, a compressor and an active boost circuit. Even then you'll have to sacrifice one type of tone slightly to get the best out of another.
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#17
thanks guys

I guess i just wanted to avoid getting a new amp XD i know a decent amount of stuff about guitars but very little about amps.

I know i'l get flamed for this, but im going to just get a new guitar first because my G-400 is really uncomfortable when i play (i prefer the paper thin necks of Jacksons) and for some reason my G-400 sounds weird in my friends really nice Marshall, which is why i considered the new pups in the first place.

I can live with the spider for now seeing as im not playing to make money (or gigging at all ATM)....(yet XD)

I don't think i'll be actually hitting gigs in the near future but i know that i have some friends who want to start a band and they want me to play with them, but i dont kow if they're serious....but if that time ever comes THATS when i'll prolly get a new amp (unless i get a better paying job and can afford a new one for no reason)
#18
Quote by MrFlibble
Your amp is a modelling amp so there is absolutely no point whatsoever in changing pickups. No matter what pickups you use, that amp is always going to do everything it can to make it sound the same. The only time you'll hear a difference is if you go from one extreme to another like P-90s to active humbuckers or low-output singlecoils to overwound ceramic humbuckers. Changing from one type of regular humbucker to another type of humbucker is going to make no difference. You will only be wasting your money.


Then why am I having to change all my settings on my Spider II after swapping from EMG HZ's to a '59/Tone Zone? I had a good clean, rhythm and lead sound (or the best I could get with the HZ's) set up and now with the new pups I'm finding all three tones have to be completely changed because every part of the EQ is different.

If you have credible sources you can cite, I'll believe it but right now my ear is adjusting to two completely different sounds. The difference from the HZ to the '59 is a little drastic but the bridge HZ to a Tone Zone shouldn't be that much different according to your theory. I hear HUGE differences in both. The Tone Zone is much more dynamic and sensitive to how hard you pick. There's a clear definition from the low E all the way up to the 24th fret on my high E string which is something the HZ could never do. I would have to dial in a tone for heavy chugging riffs on the bass strings or something more pronounced for soloing on the treble strings.
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#19
Quote by MrFlibble
Your amp is a modelling amp so there is absolutely no point whatsoever in changing pickups. No matter what pickups you use, that amp is always going to do everything it can to make it sound the same. The only time you'll hear a difference is if you go from one extreme to another like P-90s to active humbuckers or low-output singlecoils to overwound ceramic humbuckers. Changing from one type of regular humbucker to another type of humbucker is going to make no difference. You will only be wasting your money.

The other aspect is no, there is no such thing as a pickup that can do top-quality cleans and also heavy metal distortion. To do that you need several things; a professional quality amp, specialist pickups, a compressor and an active boost circuit. Even then you'll have to sacrifice one type of tone slightly to get the best out of another.
A modeling amp is going to model the voice of another amp. Not try to change the voice of a guitar. The reason why it's still going to sound bad with a Spider III is because the Spider III sucks. Take ANY cheap SS amp and you're going to get the same result. Take an AxeFX if you can't tell the difference between the same guitar with two different, yes, even two different passive pickups, then you might just need new ears.

And there are several pickups out there that can do top quality clean tones and work well for high gain sounds. You do not need an active boost circuit, or compressor. WCRs and Bareknuckles especially have several very versatile pickups.

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SEVERAL high end pickups, most being PAF style (thus many sounding very similar), played through several amps ranging from Marshall plexis to JTM45s to Fender BFs to high gain Diezel Herberts with different styles and sounding great for ALL of them. (With the Wolfetone Marshallhead, Holmes h455, WCR Godwood and Throbak SLE Ltd being probably the best of the bunch). And those are just "classic rock" oriented pickups, there are many pickups out there that are even more versatile for multiple purposes, like the WCR Fillmore or Seymour Duncan Brobucker.
Last edited by al112987 at Jul 16, 2009,
#20
^ while everything you said is true its kinda irrelavant

I think MrFlibbles point was that the TS would be better of spending his money on a good amp rather than new pickups. Whether or not it sounds different it will always sound bad when you're playing through a spider.

having a good amp will make a much greater improvement to your tone than having a good guitar. Also if you want versatility then you can find a versatile amp and if you still arent happy with your tone THEN you could buy new pickups and you wouldnt be wasting your money as you have decent amp

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#21
Quote by fleh
^ while everything you said is true its kinda irrelavant

I think MrFlibbles point was that the TS would be better of spending his money on a good amp rather than new pickups. Whether or not it sounds different it will always sound bad when you're playing through a spider.

having a good amp will make a much greater improvement to your tone than having a good guitar. Also if you want versatility then you can find a versatile amp and if you still arent happy with your tone THEN you could buy new pickups and you wouldnt be wasting your money as you have decent amp

theres a reason everyone hates spiders


Dude....

necrobump much?

This thread makes me feel stupid.
#22
Quote by siverstorm
thanks guys

I guess i just wanted to avoid getting a new amp XD i know a decent amount of stuff about guitars but very little about amps.

I know i'l get flamed for this, but im going to just get a new guitar first because my G-400 is really uncomfortable when i play (i prefer the paper thin necks of Jacksons) and for some reason my G-400 sounds weird in my friends really nice Marshall, which is why i considered the new pups in the first place.

I can live with the spider for now seeing as im not playing to make money (or gigging at all ATM)....(yet XD)

I don't think i'll be actually hitting gigs in the near future but i know that i have some friends who want to start a band and they want me to play with them, but i dont kow if they're serious....but if that time ever comes THATS when i'll prolly get a new amp (unless i get a better paying job and can afford a new one for no reason)



you are smart! That is exactly what I was going to suggest. I will flameshield you! Get a better guitar then you'll slowly become dissatisfied with your amp. Then save up for an amp and you'll get slowly dissastified with the pickups. Then change your pickups! You're gonna end up making weird choices and wasting money if you do it any other way.
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#23
Seriously??? Why would you bump a thread that is 7 months old? Check the dates before you post.
#24
dood I see a bolded thread and I just answer that damn thang
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#26
I think you sould get the super distortion. Its about $70 and you can get a pretty good clean sound out of it. However, the heavy sound is really want you would be buying it for. I just recently bought one and they do sound very good. Clear but heavy. Also light distortion sound great.
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Quote by siverstorm
Dude....

necrobump much?

This thread makes me feel stupid.


woops

i was looking for info on the dirty fingers myself and couldnt resist telling someone to get rid of their spider- it was probably the best thing ive ever done
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#29
Why not take your original budget of 250, sell your spider and have like $400 for a new amp? That'll make a huge difference in tone where as new pups through a spider wont much at all.

Woops. Didnt realize this one was a resurection thread.
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#30
A friend of mine got stock dirty fingers in his sg prophecy, pretty sweet pickups, especially for stock, I would look into a duncan JB or distortion as well.
#31
Consider a Seymour Duncan Phat Cat for the neck. (Humbucker-sized single coil) - It will give you cleans like you wouldn't believe.