#1
Hello people, I'm a bit of a noob here with a noob question.

I am learning the song We Stand by All That Remains and want some help in particular with the breakdown-type-section at 1:50. The riff goes like this at 176 BPM.

|---------------------------------------------|
|---------------------------------------------|
|---------------------------------------------|
|--------5---5---------5---5----7----7----|
|-----------9---7---------9---7---10---9--|
|--000-----------000----------------------|

This is how their tab book says to play it, through some people like to replace the notes on the fourth string with their equivalent on the fifth.

Now, I am currently playing this entire riff alternate picking every note. Meaning I will hit five with a down stroke, then have to come back past the fourth string to hit the fifth string with an up stroke and then back past...I just can't help but think it is inefficient. When I try to economy pick, it just feels awkward.

I'd like to stay true to how the song is meant to be played, but I just need to know what the best picking technique to use on this is. This situation applies to a variety of other songs I play where you are just playing eighth notes bouncing between sixth and fifth string, such as:

||--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
||--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
||--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
||--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
||-5---7---8---7---4---5---7---5---1---3---5---1---3---5---7---3--|
||---5---5---5---5---0---0---0---0---1---1---1---1---3---3---3-----|

As you can see this creates the same dilemma of having to skip over a string if you want to alternate pick the entire thing.

I apologize for my long windedness.
#2
idk, i would suggest a gallop for the 0's and keep doin wat ur doin for the in-between
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#3
My idea would be...

Downstroke on the open string. (I assume it's palm muted.)

Put your first finger on the 5 on the D string, and
pinky on the 9 of the A.
Then use your ring for the 7.
Then just slide down?
Upstroke on the D, Downstroke on the A.
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Last edited by KiloJulietA at Jul 17, 2009,
#4
Hmm...yes, I have the left hand down, but I never even considered continuing to alternate pick but starting on an upstroke. That does make much more sense since then you can continue the motion down to the next string. Will try this in the morning when my air conditioner has not frozen my fingers, thank you for your suggestion.
#5
Quote by KiloJulietA
My idea would be...

Downstroke on the open string. (I assume it's palm muted.)

Put your first finger on the 5 on the D string, and
pinky on the 9 of the A.
Then use your ring for the 7.
Then just slide down?
Upstroke on the D, Downstroke on the A.


This, outside picking (thats what Gilbert called it, I blame him ) on the 4th and 5th string...

If you want to do it differently if your downpicking is fast enough (and accurate) you can also downpick the 4th and 5th string notes.
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#6
I've never really understood the point behind downpicking an entire riff. People always say that Master of Puppets is all downpicked and whatever, but what's the point? The way I see it it is more difficult and there is no difference in the sound...
#7
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||--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
||--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
||--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
||--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
||-5---7---8---7---4---5---7---5---1---3---5---1---3---5---7---3--|
||---5---5---5---5---0---0---0---0---1---1---1---1---3---3---3-----|


For that, I would inside pick all those notes.
Down-Up-Down-Up-Down-Up etc etc

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I've never really understood the point behind downpicking an entire riff. People always say that Master of Puppets is all downpicked and whatever, but what's the point? The way I see it it is more difficult and there is no difference in the sound...

Listen closer. Downpicking riffs make them sound tighter.

I can downpick 150bpm 16ths, it sounds way tighter than alternating it. I can also chug at the same speed for a while. If it's to hard, practice more.
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#8
For me, I'd just alternate pick it. But then again I alt pick almost everything.
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#9
Quote by Junior#1
For me, I'd just alternate pick it. But then again I alt pick almost everything.
Same here.
I'm sure that everyone plays whatever feels more comfortable to them.
#10
Is this the part after the solo?
if it were me i would probz do my up downs like this:


|-----------------------------------------|
|-----------------------------------------|
|-----------------------------------------|
|--------5---5---------5---5----7----7----|
|-----------9---7---------9---7---10---9--|
|--000-----------000----------------------|
   DUD   U  DU  DDUD   U  DU  D U  D U D  


The other riff for me would be all Up Down.

just use palm muting and other fingers to mute unwanted noise.
Last edited by wildozer at Jul 17, 2009,
#12
Excellent, KiloJulietA and wildozer's method does seem to be much more efficient, though it is difficult for me to change after I've been alternate picking everything the whole time.

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Is this the part after the solo?

-Yes, they play this section both before and after the solo.

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I can downpick 150bpm 16ths

Wat

-He means that at 150 beats per minute, he can downpick 16th notes, which basically means he is quite speedy.
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Wat

Exaggeration there, I was guessing
Using GP, I can downpick 130bpm. not 150. Silly me >_>
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I've never really understood the point behind downpicking an entire riff. People always say that Master of Puppets is all downpicked and whatever, but what's the point? The way I see it it is more difficult and there is no difference in the sound...

From what I hear theres more "attack".
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