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alright so i love you guys GB&C, you taught me everything i needed to know about constructing a guitar

so right now i have a template in production, just about done. i am going for a strat S/S/S standard with a pickguard over some quilted maple (i didn't really want the pickguard but i don't think i'll do a good job without it because, as my first build, the routes for the pickup cavities will probably be quite ugly).

i also bought a nice neck from warmoth. the body is a top of quilted maple, just a bit more than a quarter of an inch thick. the actual body is two pieces of alder with quite nondescript grain. the pickups will be a lace sensor in the neck and middle positions, followed by a texas special in the bridge position. it will be a tremolo bridge, standard fender-style.

edit: pics yo





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Last edited by darkevilxe at Jul 18, 2009,
#2
pics are quite large, sorry.






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well that's it
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#5
holy huge pics batman!

i hope you're rear routing this guitar... a pickguard would be blasphemy on that quilt

edit:
just read the post... you wont f*k up the routs if you spend the time to make templates. i'd love to see this with rear routing... also, if you rout the slots to connect the electronics prior to gluing on the top you'll save yourself a lot of grief

Here's what I think you should do (if you don't mind me saying)

1) find 2 benign locations and a 1/4" hole in each location for a dowel so you have a repeatable location for the top/bottom laminates to match up - you could use the bridge and neck pickup cavity locations if you want... just remember not to rout out the locations - you'll need it for laminating the top to the bottom

2) rout slots to route the wiring (basically just a straight slot between the 3 pickups - the rest will be done from the rear of the guitar, anyway

3) make a template for mounting the single coils and use a template bit to rout the single coil cavities

4) ???

5) win
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Last edited by nuthinbuttrubl8 at Jul 18, 2009,
#6
my local wood supplier offered me another piece of topwood free if i joined her woodworking blog site

and i've decided to put a pickguard on there :/. Maybe I can cut it down a bit and redesign it to show more of the grain.
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#7
see above edit before you commit to any rash decisions
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#8
hmm, so what you're saying is to route the ugly cavities on the regular piece, and just the cavities for the pickups and all for the top piece?

or am i misunderstanding.
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#9
couldent you cut it all out, then stick the top on it?
but yeah, the pickguard will make it lose quite a bit of awesomness...
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#10
you could always add a custom pickguard, or one witha graphic, instead of rear-routing, so it'll still be awesome. but i would still suggest rear routing, because that kinda kills the point of having a top. those pics are humongous by the way . . . . try resizing them before you upload them.
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nice build dude, how long do u think it would take u to finish it?? and did u think about the finish, color, all that stuff?
just one complaint, and not about the build, i have a huge ass computer screen, and i still couldnt c those pics without scrolling to the sides :P
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#12
whoa those pics are 1:1 scale almost lol

you can always use a clear pickguard. i wouldn't for my own personal preferences but if you wanna use a pickguard and show off the wood it seems like the only solution.
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whoa those pics are 1:1 scale almost lol

you can always use a clear pickguard. i wouldn't for my own personal preferences but if you wanna use a pickguard and show off the wood it seems like the only solution.


well i'd have to agree in a sense. However, this still wouldn't really cover up the routing would it? Maybe he should make a flame maple pickguard or something XD
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#15
TS you dont need a pickguard, you can make or buy pickup routing templates and use a template following routing bit to get very clean routes.

Heres an expensive set, but I dont know where you can get just humbucker templates that are decent quality (plus the Stew Mac set gives you pretty much and cavity you will ever need)

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Templates/1/Pickup_Control_Cavity_Routing_Template_Set/Details.html#details


What I would do with these templates is then go and buy some 1/2" MDF and use the acrylic template as a master template, so make a copy of it onto the 1/2" MDF with the template follower router bit, and then use the 1/2" MDF templates on your guitar and keep the expensive acrylic ones as masters incase you need to make more if you f**k the MDF one up.


The template follower bit is this

http://www.stewmac.com/shopby/product/0565


Basically what it does it goes in the router like a normal bit and the route sits on top of the template, and the template sits on the wood to be routed, and the ball bearing runs along side the walls of the template and creates an exact copy onto the wood below.

The Stew Mac templates are thin, only 3/16" thick and so making the copy onto 1/2" MDF will ensure that when you route onto the body wood there is always enough material for the bearing to ride on.

Do this by fixing the acrylic template to the MDF (double sided sticky tape), then hog out the wood in the middle with a drill press, being very careful not to touch the acrylic template, just do the middle of the wood.

Place the router on the template so the bit is in the hogged out area, and make sure the bearing will ride against the wall of the acrylic template, then you can route the edges of the MDF cleanly (ensure the MDF template is fixed to scrap wood as you will be routing all the way through it)

If the bearing is riding on the acrylic template, you might not get the entire 1/2" depth out of one pass, and so you can lower the height of the router bit so that it now rides on the clean section of the MDF that matches the template and that can be used to route the rest.


When you have the MDF template fix that to your body (double sided sticky tape) and then route in the same way, being careful not to go to deep into the body.


Hope that all makes sence




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hmm, so what you're saying is to route the ugly cavities on the regular piece, and just the cavities for the pickups and all for the top piece?

or am i misunderstanding.


Holy huge pics batman!
You have some repeated pics, as well.

And you'cve understood Absent Mind correctly, if you route the the pickup slots and cavity connecting them prior to gluing on the top, and just rout the cavitities for the pups out on the top, no one will ever know, and your cavities should be near perfect.


ALSO, if your deadset on a pickguard, make a Quilted maple pickguard to cover up any mistakes, but make it out of a veneer of the top so it matches the grain, then recess it. Does that make sense?

IMO, that would look ****ing badass.


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Holy huge pics batman!
You have some repeated pics, as well.

And you'cve understood Absent Mind correctly, if you route the the pickup slots and cavity connecting them prior to gluing on the top, and just rout the cavitities for the pups out on the top, no one will ever know, and your cavities should be near perfect.


ALSO, if your deadset on a pickguard, make a Quilted maple pickguard to cover up any mistakes, but make it out of a veneer of the top so it matches the grain, then recess it. Does that make sense?

IMO, that would look ****ing badass.


Not to be a jackass or anything but if he is saying that he does not want to rear rout the guitar because he is not confident about his routing, I dont think recessing a pickuard is a good idea, it'll be much difficult than rear routing the guitar properly. Plus imagine fúcking up that top.

I say get a strat template made out of acrylic, spend some good bucks on that, and use the stewmac ball bearing bits to copy the template---> (this = the best way to route a guitar. IMO a cnc made template is very accurate, and is easy to use, since everything is already there to route : Pickups, trem cavity.)

Then once everything is neat, get some acrylic, a.k.a. plexiglass, and do yourself a transperent pickguard and the quilt will show
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Just in case you guys didn't know it those stewmac bits are way overpriced you can get the exact same bits at like Lowes or any saw sharpening place for like $20.00 cheaper! Don't get me wrong stewmac has great stuff but they don't make their own routerbits. Those bits are called "top bearing flush cut bits". Any one either 3/8", 3/4", 1" bits will work but 3/8" works the best for pickup routes and neck pocket corners. The 1" bits will be best for the outside of the template but do require a router with some significant horsepower and do cost more! The 3/8" bit is the best and are less expensive. Oh yeah make sure you get a carbide cutter as these can be resharpened a couple times! Good Luck! Shawn
#21
thanks guys

the wood is from a local supplier, the top + body blanks were 100 bucks together.

i think i'll go with a thin clear pickguard. i'll think about making a pickguard out of some quilted maple, possibly. maybe the scrap from the top, if i have enough left over.


i could also do all the controls on the bottom and have clean routes on top, but would that damage the bond strength between the top and the body blank?

and more pics to come of my awesome, hand-done template. it's pretty kickass.
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#22
It shouldn't hurt the top at all. And I second (or third, or fourth...) the idea of doing the routing for everything on the alder, then just doing the holes for pickups, bridge, and pots on the maple top to cover up all the electronics routing.
Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
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#23
I think I am going to do the electronic routing on the main alder body blank, and have routing on the top just barebones slots for the pickups/holes for the knobs and a line for the pickup selector switch.


thanks ug for the idea


i don't want to do a rear-route, mostly because it's not true to the strat's original design. it's only minimally due to my slight uneasiness with routing (i think i'm pretty good in technical skills however).
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#24
TS, I'd advise you to make a photobucket.com account instead of using imageshack. On photobucket they give you the option of resizing to 640x400. Those pictures are so big that I can't even focus on them.
If you're not that scared about your routing skills, then I say do the rear-route, who cares how Fender does it? It's your guitar, unless you wanted a pickguard. I will cry if you put a pickguard on that top.
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salsawords: i do have a photobucket account, but uploading pictures there is much less efficient than imageshack, i find. i think imageshack has a resizing feature so will resize when i upload my next set of template pics.

and i think i'd like to have it front-routed rather than rear-routed. more 95% of personal opinion that i want it, and 5% of how Fender does it. and yeah, i don't want a pickguard either
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#26
I'm not sure how you're gonna wire everything up If you have just the "bare bones" routing on the maple top and the Fender route on the alder. The only way I can imagine you doing that would be if you wired it before you laminated the top onto the alder, but that seems impractical because paint's gonna get inside there.
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I'm not sure how you're gonna wire everything up If you have just the "bare bones" routing on the maple top and the Fender route on the alder. The only way I can imagine you doing that would be if you wired it before you laminated the top onto the alder, but that seems impractical because paint's gonna get inside there.

Uhm, what paint is gonna get inside it? there's no problem doing the wiring before putting the top on, especially if you've got the pickups you want in it and route out the back cavity for the pots and everything (for later access)
Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
Stupid name.
Probably picked "for teh lulz"

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#29
i'm trying to think of an easy way to access the pots without having to do a rear-route, but a standard Fender alder route.


do you guys have any suggestions?
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#30
there is no way.

Either you rear route the guitar, or you get a pickguard, or some type of F-Hole.

Keep in mind having to access electroncis by F-holes is a pain.
Now, choose wisely, because what happens if you dont solder correctly one of the pots, and in one month somthing gets desoldered, imagine not having access to the electronics, dramatic, id say a nice plot for a tragedy.
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#32
If you route a control cavity in the top of the alder, and only drill the pot shaft holes in the quilted top, you will not be able to get to the electronics without taking off the top, which is not really a feasible option. You have to route a rear control cavity with a cover if you want later access to the electronics.
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all these "big pics" comments. Ctrl, - press these 2 keys together. Voila! Instant smaller pics. Then just press ctrl, shift, + to zoom back in again.

TS there is literally no point in partial routing the flame maple if you're just going to whack a pickguard on there. Either just front rout it and have standard fender routing or rear rout it.
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all these "big pics" comments. Ctrl, - press these 2 keys together. Voila! Instant smaller pics. Then just press ctrl, shift, + to zoom back in again.

TS there is literally no point in partial routing the flame maple if you're just going to whack a pickguard on there. Either just front rout it and have standard fender routing or rear rout it.



huh? if i were to partial route the quilted maple and have all the control routes on the body, of course i'm not going to use a pickguard. if i was, i wouldn't be doing all that, because that would be silly.

i'm probably going to think about doing a rear route, or having the control cavity for the pots being routed through the alder body - but not the quilted maple. but that would leave an awful lot of alder gone, which may affect my tone.

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Most of the pictures were in there more than once :/

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the pics aren't exactly the same :/ i just took multiple pictures of almost the same angle because i'm silly.
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Last edited by darkevilxe at Jul 19, 2009,
#36
^He used an improper term, By partial route, he just meant the holes for the pot shafts and pickups selector and whatnot. And nobody will care if you eff up a rear route, because they won't see it unless you're showing it off. And you can always fix it, you won't screw up THAT bad. Look at Invader Jim's build, he doesn't even have the proper tools to build a guitar and he's making do very nicely if say so myself.
Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
Stupid name.
Probably picked "for teh lulz"

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#37
i guess. i think i'm going to modify the design of the control cavity, to minimize the amount of wood lost if i route it through. i'll probably also have to get a cover for it, and modify that too to fit over the hole, right?


and yeah, but he's Jim!
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#38
Beautiful quilt I must say!
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Quote by darkevilxe
i guess. i think i'm going to modify the design of the control cavity, to minimize the amount of wood lost if i route it through. i'll probably also have to get a cover for it, and modify that too to fit over the hole, right?


and yeah, but he's Jim!

Make your own cover from scrap quilted maple
Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
Stupid name.
Probably picked "for teh lulz"

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#40
pictures of my template (all done by me, i used a jigsaw to cut the straight parts and used a spindle sander to get the curves. i used a belt sander to smooth out the edges of the body.)








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