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#1
I always hear people praising Gibson but I dont see whats so special about their guitars. IMO they're over priced and waaaaay over rated, I know they're made in USA but I dont find them that awesome. The ones I've played are heavy and very uncomfortable neck wise. Does anyone else agree or am I missing out on something?


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#3
opinion. while you might find it uncomfortable, others might find it fits in their hands perfectly and feels like it was built for them.
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#4
Why do some people praise Ibanez and other's don't? It's all personal taste, I really love the sound and feel of a Flying V. Also Gibson is an American classic like Chevrolet or Budweiser
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#5
With some of their guitars, you're paying extra for the name. For example, the Holy Explorers and Vs. Less wood for more money, priced that high because it's a Gibson.
#6
because Jimmy Page played a Gibson

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#8
Recently Gibson has been making guitars with lower quality control, overpriced for the specs, and creating rediculous 'new' guitars that have been leading many to wonder if Gibson is just out of ideas.

See: Reverse Explorer, Reverse V, Holy Explorer, Holy V.

EDIT. Forgot to add that new Sharkfin model...which is just an overpriced amputated Explorer.
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#9
Here's a great answer:
Nothing.

Speaking on that, what makes Ibanez, Schecter, MusicMan, Washburn, ESP, Dean, PRS, Fender, Gretsch, EVH, Jackson, Epiphone, B.C. Rich, Laguna and whoever else I didn't mention so special to anyone who likes them?

Personal Preference.
#10
Most people think the more expensive it is the better quality. My friend has a Gibson flying V (not sure what year/series) and I prefer my ESP AX-50 over it. The ESP is less than half the price.
#11
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because Jimmy Page played a Gibson

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lol pretty much.


to OP, once you learn how to play guitar, you will be able to differentiate between different class of guitars. there are people out there that own line 6 amps, and play low end ltd and ibanez guitars. once your ears and fingers develop, then you won't be able to touch a ****ty fretboard or play on a p.o.s.

gibsons have a fair price, because people are willing to pay that much for a legend. whether gibson decides to make every guitar well, that's up to them. i would pay $5000 for a custom LP, but i cannot afford it, so i'll stick to a standard plus with a 60's neck and sg standard.
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#12
They have a nice warm melodic tone. The heavy bodies give them really good sustain. The thicker neck also helps give a stronger fatter tone. Some of the money is the name, but they really do make great guitars. If you ever play a Custom Shop or Vintage Gibson you can really tell they are great sounding.

But like everyone else has said, there is a lot of people that don't like to play them. Its just what you like.
#13
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Um... they sound good and play well?


and more or less invented the modern electric guitar.
#14
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With some of their guitars, you're paying extra for the name. For example, the Holy Explorers and Vs. Less wood for more money, priced that high because it's a Gibson.

I don't pay for my guitars by the pound. I pay for them because I like the way they play.
It's all about what you like. Not what's popular or more expensive.
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They have a nice warm melodic tone. The heavy bodies give them really good sustain. The thicker neck also helps give a stronger fatter tone. Some of the money is the name, but they really do make great guitars. If you ever play a Custom Shop or Vintage Gibson you can really tell they are great sounding.

But like everyone else has said, there is a lot of people that don't like to play them. Its just what you like.

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#16
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I always hear people praising Gibson but I dont see whats so special about their guitars.
Then quit whining and buy what you DO like.

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IMO they're over priced and waaaaay over rated
Then quite whining and buy what you DO like.

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I know they're made in USA
This is a good thing. Keeping some of our dollars here is good for the local economy.

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but I dont find them that awesome.
Then quit whining and buy what you DO like.

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The ones I've played are heavy and very uncomfortable neck wise.
Then quit whining and buy what you DO like.

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Does anyone else agree
Mostly disagree. Gibson quality isn't what it used to be. But they still make good guitars. And the equation is MORE than just purchase price. Only a moron takes ONLY that into account. The other part is resale value. Gibsons hold their value better than most guitars. A used Gibson is worth a high percentage of its initial purchase price. Vintage Gibsons are worth WAAAAAAAY more than their initial purchase price.

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or am I missing out on something?
Read above.
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I always hear people praising Gibson but I dont see whats so special about their guitars. IMO they're over priced and waaaaay over rated, I know they're made in USA but I dont find them that awesome. The ones I've played are heavy and very uncomfortable neck wise. Does anyone else agree or am I missing out on something?


BTW: I searchbared so fuck me
Actually, that's stated a lot here ... Maybe 134 times daily, at least. You're not unique in that way.

And yes, they are special!

#18
You guys forget, or don't realize at all that you represent only one segment of the guitar BUYING population. Face it, the music most of you play isn't exactly mainstream.
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You guys forget, or don't realize at all that you represent only one segment of the guitar BUYING population. Face it, the music most of you play isn't exactly mainstream.
What the hell? Since when did whether or not a person plays mainstream music have the slightest thing to do with the value of a guitar?

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#20
There are way too many of these threads. One of the mods should just make a thread and sticky it called "Bitch about expensive guitars everyone likes that you think suck".
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There are way too many of these threads. One of the mods should just make a thread and sticky it called "Bitch about expensive guitars everyone likes that you think suck".

If i made that thread, i would call it Bitch-A-Rama 09.
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What the hell? Since when did whether or not a person plays mainstream music have the slightest thing to do with the value of a guitar?
It's more their perception of what ''people'' think. The U-G population thinks that ''most people'' would rather have a super-Strat that a tradional Strat. That very well may not be the case, it's just what U-G percieves to be the standard since it's what most people on here think. U-G has a bad habit of not realising there are other people in music outside of U-G.
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#23
Gibson Have been around for a very long time. They know their stuff, since they've been making stringed instruments for a long time (over 100 years) They made the Les Paul, SG, Flying V, and Explorer. They are widely used, from BB King, to Zakk Wylde, to Jimmy Page. Right now, Gibson Quality control is very poor, and their lower end production models ( Studio, Studio Faded, Robot) are usually made with low quality wood/components and are usually hit or miss. But Gibson are good for people who like them. The guitar usually weigh over 8 pounds, have wide necks, and are usually hard tail. People who like a good solid guitar that is very verstile will probably like Gibsons.
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If i made that thread, i would call it Bitch-A-Rama 09.


But then it could just be mistaken for an off-topic thread...
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It's more their perception of what ''people'' think. The U-G population thinks that ''most people'' would rather have a super-Strat that a tradional Strat. That very well may not be the case, it's just what U-G percieves to be the standard since it's what most people on here think. U-G has a bad habit of not realising there are other people in music outside of U-G.
lol. I don't give a rat's-ass what anyone else thinks, except for how that affects the resale market.

Purchase price.
Quality of construction.
How well it suits my needs.
Projected resale value.

These are the things that enter into the equation when I consider a purchase.
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What the hell? Since when did whether or not a person plays mainstream music have the slightest thing to do with the value of a guitar?


You're kidding right?

Modern guitar companies aren't so much in the business of making fine musical instruments as they are in the business of making profit. Selling more means more profit. When you turn on the radio most of the stations you hear are not the kind of music the majority of people here play. While companies like ESP/LTD and Schecter cater to the cheap stringed ornament crowd, the majority of guitars are sold to play the kind of music "everyone else" listens to. And that music is still played on guitars made by Gibson and Fender.
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moreso Paul Reed Smith these days. They are great guitars, but I refuse to buy a PRS that costs more than $700 just because everyone plays those now. Id only buy one of the really nice ones if I became rich and famous and really didn't have anything else to do with my money other than buy an assload of guitars/other instruments/amps/gear/pedals/etc.
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#28
Who cares? lol like it's been stated before.
Gibson has an epic history which allows them to overcharge for guitars and still make tons upon tons of money.
If its for you then do it, if not...
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Then quit whining and buy what you DO like.
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Let me put things into perspective for you. The only over-priced Gibson is the Les Paul. But that's to stop people from buying them. Think about it, the Les Paul is one of the most popular guitars in the world. Now if they were affordable, everyone and their mother would have one. Then they'll be forced to use worse wood simple because of the lack of availability of good wood. Quality control will also decrease a lot so that they can keep up with the demand. And let's face it, Gibsons are a lot more difficult to make than Finders (set neck, nitrocellulose finish). And MIA guitars are usually $1000+. But most Gibson Standards around the average price for a set-neck MIA guitar.
#30
Still. It's all...
Personal Preference.

I'm trying to keep an open mind on guitars since I'm just a nub when it comes to guitars. I've played Deans, asian fat strats, J Turser's, Jackson's and B.C. rich's. And when it comes down to it, guitar makers make different types of guitars with different specs for one main reason: person preference.
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Let me put things into perspective for you. The only over-priced Gibson is the Les Paul. But that's to stop people from buying them. Think about it, the Les Paul is one of the most popular guitars in the world. Now if they were affordable, everyone and their mother would have one. Then they'll be forced to use worse wood simple because of the lack of availability of good wood. Quality control will also decrease a lot so that they can keep up with the demand. And let's face it, Gibsons are a lot more difficult to make than Finders (set neck, nitrocellulose finish). And MIA guitars are usually $1000+. But most Gibson Standards around the average price for a set-neck MIA guitar.


There are so many things wrong with this post im not even going to bother.

Edit: I will say this though, its FENDER, not finder.
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Let me put things into perspective for you. The only over-priced Gibson is the Les Paul. But that's to stop people from buying them. Think about it, the Les Paul is one of the most popular guitars in the world. Now if they were affordable, everyone and their mother would have one. Then they'll be forced to use worse wood simple because of the lack of availability of good wood. Quality control will also decrease a lot so that they can keep up with the demand. And let's face it, Gibsons are a lot more difficult to make than Finders (set neck, nitrocellulose finish). And MIA guitars are usually $1000+. But most Gibson Standards around the average price for a set-neck MIA guitar.
Some of this is already true. The main reason why Gibson 1959 reissues don't sound exactly like a vintage '59 is because of the old wood factor, which makes the vintage '59 lighter, more resonant and more open sounding. And the reason why they don't use the same old wood is because they already used all of it up and what's left of it is now protected. Just getting a hunk of old growth Honduran mahogany nowadays is difficult and cost several hundred dollars.
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Let me put things into perspective for you. The only over-priced Gibson is the Les Paul. But that's to stop people from buying them. Think about it, the Les Paul is one of the most popular guitars in the world. Now if they were affordable, everyone and their mother would have one. Then they'll be forced to use worse wood simple because of the lack of availability of good wood. Quality control will also decrease a lot so that they can keep up with the demand. And let's face it, Gibsons are a lot more difficult to make than Finders (set neck, nitrocellulose finish). And MIA guitars are usually $1000+. But most Gibson Standards around the average price for a set-neck MIA guitar.


#34
I think Gibson guitars (except the Moderne or however you spell it and the Futura) are overrated.

V, Explorer, Firebird, SG, LP... There are so many variants of those guitars now (I know the Strat has been copied to hell and back), that there needs some originality. Exotic shaped (ML's, mockingbirds, Warlock, Rich Bich, Xiphos, etc.) guitars are becoming the new thing... explains why Gibson release that ugly Xiphos meets ML guitar.

But what 11 year old beginning guitar player won't find the flying V mesmerizing?
#35
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Purchase price.
Quality of construction.
How well it suits my needs.
Projected resale value.
Personally, the initial cost only bothers me if it's a more generic model and I'm weighing up basically the same guitar from two or three different brands - if a bunch of guitars are the same and one's cheaper, I go for that one. On the other hand if a guitar is more unique or simply stupidly well made to a point that other brands can't compete then I don't really take price into account since it's then that or nothing.
Construction quality and suitability are of course the most important things. I don't think anyone would disagree there.

Resale value... I really don't give the slightest **** about. When I was shopping aroudn for my Gibson, the guys in one particular store here that specialises in old and rare guitars kept banging on about how I should make sure I get one with a realy clear flame and and lower serial number and how they had a 50th Anniversary 1958 Reissue LP there that cost £100 more and wasn't different spec-wise but was technically rarer so it'd be worth more in years to come and it's smart to invesOH SHUT THE **** UP. If I'm spending three and a half grand on something, I'm doing so to play the hell out of it, not to keep it neat in it's case to make a tidy profit twenty years down the line.
**** resale value. If I do ever sell a guitar, usually it's long enough after the original purchase that I don't remember exactly what I paid for it at first and I'm often only selling to make space for a new guitar, bugger getting my money back on it let alone making profit. Choosing one guitar over another just because it'll be worth more in future is completely stupid.
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What the hell? Since when did whether or not a person plays mainstream music have the slightest thing to do with the value of a guitar?
You're kidding right?
I'm as serious as a heart attack.

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Modern guitar companies aren't so much in the business of making fine musical instruments as they are in the business of making profit.
No shit, Sherlock. It's called business.

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Selling more means more profit.
Tell me more, Captain Obvious.

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When you turn on the radio most of the stations you hear are not the kind of music the majority of people here play.
lol. MOST of the stations don't play the kind of music the majority of people anywhere listen to. That's because there is no singular "majority" when it comes to music. Tastes are widely varied. Program content varies widely from station to station. You're attempting to paint a singular "mainstream" but doing a horrible job of describing how that works.

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While companies like ESP/LTD and Schecter cater to the cheap stringed ornament crowd,
Both of those companies make instruments that are well built in addition to the crap for the kids. If you spent more time with your eyes and ears open instead of your mouth, you'd know that.

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the majority of guitars are sold to play the kind of music "everyone else" listens to.
What a pretentious tool, you are. I own two Gibsons and a Fender. None of them were sold to "play a certain kind of music".

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And that music is still played on guitars made by Gibson and Fender.
The value of the guitars I own has NOTHING to do with the kind of music I play or listen to. They are what they are. There are several Schecter models I'd own in a heartbeat, if I could get the kind of deal on them I got on my Fender and Gibsons. Same for PRS. And Godin. And Ibanez. I mostly don't care for the looks of ESP/LTD, so I wouldn't consider them. Doesn't mean they don't make a few well built instruments. It just means they don't suit my needs.

But please don't change your (warped) way of thinking on my account. It's morons like you who keep the resale value of Fender and Gibson artificially a bit higher than it should be. That means I can sell my stuff any time I want and not take a loss.


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Choosing one guitar over another just because it'll be worth more in future is completely stupid.
For you. Not for all people.
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#37
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and more or less invented the modern electric guitar.


I would say less out of the choices offered.
#38
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I'm as serious as a heart attack.

No shit, Sherlock. It's called business.

Tell me more, Captain Obvious.

lol. MOST of the stations don't play the kind of music the majority of people anywhere listen to. That's because there is no singular "majority" when it comes to music. Tastes are widely varied. Program content varies widely from station to station. You're attempting to paint a singular "mainstream" but doing a horrible job of describing how that works.

Both of those companies make instruments that are well built in addition to the crap for the kids. If you spent more time with your eyes and ears open instead of your mouth, you'd know that.

What a pretentious tool, you are. I own two Gibsons and a Fender. None of them were sold to "play a certain kind of music".

The value of the guitars I own has NOTHING to do with the kind of music I play or listen to. They are what they are. There are several Schecter models I'd own in a heartbeat, if I could get the kind of deal on them I got on my Fender and Gibsons. Same for PRS. And Godin. And Ibanez. I mostly don't care for the looks of ESP/LTD, so I wouldn't consider them. Doesn't mean they don't make a few well built instruments. It just means they don't suit my needs.

But please don't change your (warped) way of thinking on my account. It's morons like you who keep the resale value of Fender and Gibson artificially a bit higher than it should be. That means I can sell my stuff any time I want and not take a loss.


For you. Not for all people.




I always love reading your posts because they tend to be chock full of win. This post is no exception.

Anyway, nothing and everything at once. It really depends on the sound and feel you want TS. The necks are hand-sanded(My brother took a tour of the Gibson factory when he went on a college trip this year to Tennessee, I know this for a fact) after basic milling, so each one has a different feel, albeit there are profiles to follow like "50's rounded", "60's slim taper", etc. You just likely didn't get one you agreed with. As far as heavy goes, that's to be expected; A general rule with Les Pauls goes that it must weigh no less than a bus full of 3rd graders. The SG is light as hell though.
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#39
I'd say it's just the name. And the history the company has.

Plus they've been made even more overrated by Guitar Hero.
#40
does it make any sense for someone to spend 50K on a corvette? absolutely not. they are paying for the experience. same difference with gibson. that being said, you can have my sg when you pry it from my cold dead hands!
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