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#1
We are getting our record pressed professionally and our singers girlfriend drew this for our art. This is just the rough scanned version, it isn't cropped and has no effects on it yet. It will obviously be smaller too.

#2
mmm nah
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Hmm... Not in its raw form (Like that) it needs to be all computerized and what all the professionals do. For example the album art for lamb of gods killadelphia. With computer editing and all the mumbo jumbo the professionals do, you'd have that looking professional.
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my advice is, take this into photoshop or illustrator or something and convert it into a non-crayon/colored pencil looking drawing. Make the colors solid, and outline everything in a thick black line, and the art style could be used, but i would never use a drawing made with colored pencils for an album cover.

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that's acctually a very good drawing all that it needs is a creepy sounding title

yea it is very good. i dont care what the title is tho. it would work really nice tho, as in i like it a lot. plus you did say it is only a rough copy so it will work i bet.
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#10
It would look great if you inked it with illustrator (you could probably use GIMP, too, since it's free). It's not hard to do, you could make a decent-looking cover in a weekend. Looks promising. Be sure to post the finished product later if you do decide to ink it.
#11
E-mail it to me admin@kanearts.net and I'll help you out man, polish it up a bit (can't see it right now, the image is broken cause I'm at work.) I can do wonders with paint shop usually man.
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#12
I'd be interested in seeing what someone could do with software on this. Graphic arts has never really been an area of expertise of mine.

However, our album cover started off as a coloured pencil background, to which we added the band logo on top using Corel Draw or Corel PhotoPaint. I can't remember which one I used. I don't know if I have the original artwork anymore either that we used. I scanned it, though, imported it, and mucked with it and eventually got what our cover ended up looking like.

The original was purple and silver, though, and I colour-shifted it. I then added the lighting/shadowing effects. The end result is here:



Your proposed cover IS a good drawing, but rendered as it is, looks like a coloured pencil drawing. Depending on your market and style of music, that may or may not be what you want.

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#13
Well you could if you wanted to , but i doubt you'd ever see this "kid's drawing" in a record store (sorry if that offends)
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#14
No, we aren't emo at all, or any of that ****. We are a 3 piece rock band with some progressive and indie thrown in. Does the picture make us look really dark?

I really ended up not liking this at all, but how would I go telling him/his girlfriend/our other bandmate this? Our other bandmate is on vacation and hasn't seen the final copy of it.
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No, we aren't emo at all, or any of that ****. We are a 3 piece rock band with some progressive and indie thrown in. Does the picture make us look really dark?

I really ended up not liking this at all, but how would I go telling him/his girlfriend/our other bandmate this? Our other bandmate is on vacation and hasn't seen the final copy of it.


Don't sweat it. Just tell them you want something professional looking. That' you're in it to win it and you either "go big or go home".
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I'd be interested in seeing what someone could do with software on this. Graphic arts has never really been an area of expertise of mine.

However, our album cover started off as a coloured pencil background, to which we added the band logo on top using Corel Draw or Corel PhotoPaint. I can't remember which one I used. I don't know if I have the original artwork anymore either that we used. I scanned it, though, imported it, and mucked with it and eventually got what our cover ended up looking like.

The original was purple and silver, though, and I colour-shifted it. I then added the lighting/shadowing effects. The end result is here:



Your proposed cover IS a good drawing, but rendered as it is, looks like a coloured pencil drawing. Depending on your market and style of music, that may or may not be what you want.

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That ended up nice, I think ours is to complex to start with.

I have picasa and gimp, which I can sort of operate for programs other than paint.
#17
ill fix it up for you if you want right now. Hold on.

edit: my photoshop isnt really cooperating with me right now so if youll wait till tonight i can trace over it and make the colors more solid and everything if you want
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ill fix it up for you if you want right now. Hold on.

edit: my photoshop isnt really cooperating with me right now so if youll wait till tonight i can trace over it and make the colors more solid and everything if you want

Dude its cool, I really don't know if we will use this but I am curious to see what some fixing can do to it. All I can do is shadows, fill light, high lights, and some basic overall fixes and FX.
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my advice is, take this into photoshop or illustrator or something and convert it into a non-crayon/colored pencil looking drawing. Make the colors solid, and outline everything in a thick black line, and the art style could be used, but i would never use a drawing made with colored pencils for an album cover.

If you've ever seen real colored pencil art, its breathtaking. Artists can use colored pencils and make it look more realistic than paint or any other medium. Anyway as for this picture, Id either use it as is and go for that DIY focus on our music vibe, or if you want it to atually look lik ean album cover, edit it greatly or get a more proffesional cover.
#20
What do yall think of this? I would like to have some type of design in the middle maybe, or change the text to a logo and center it more, but at least it is a texture to use for the tray card, disc, and insert.

#21
i mean by all means it could be good enough for an album cover. the real questions is... what are you going for? assess it based on that. i know it sounds like i just hopped into my captain obvious suit, but that would be my thought process when trying to figure out if it's "good enough".

honestly, if the album is good i don't give a rat's ass what's on the cover of the CD, ya know?
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#22
Taking a picture might be a lot easier to pass off as professional. All you need is a bit of imagination. I mean, almost any high quality picture can pass as an album cover, take a look at Vampire Weekend's:


It looks like a random snapshot from a party, but yet it still worked as an album cover. Granted, its not AMAZING, but it passes well. Just make sure that you have a good quality, non shakey pic, and some effects can make it look great.

Heres my band's cover. Took a picture, added some effects/text and wallah! It cost us nothing to make (old shoes, some coal from a barbeque to get the fire going, and matches. All the editing was done by me). And we've gotten a ton of compliments on them
*note: couldnt get the best quality pics at the moment, but in print they look AMAZING*

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#23
I love that cover!

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#24
I've always thought that vampire weekend cover was cool. I like how random pictures work as covers and art. Your art looks neat too, good ideas. Who did you press through?
#25
We got it done at cdpostershop.com. Idk if its the cheapest/best but we were a little short on time for the release and they seemed pretty legit.

And thanks chris
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We got it done at cdpostershop.com. Idk if its the cheapest/best but we were a little short on time for the release and they seemed pretty legit.

And thanks chris

It doesn't get much cheaper than that site, especially their jacket prices. We are going through kunaki.com, which is pretty much putting our art into a computer to make it rather than a person doing the work, but it is dirt cheap for all you get for it, and you can get any amount of units.
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We got it done at cdpostershop.com. Idk if its the cheapest/best but we were a little short on time for the release and they seemed pretty legit.

And thanks chris


No prob.

Lesson learned: Do not book CD release party until you actually have the discs in your hand.

I've heard *so* many stories about things going wrong when people don't do that. You got off lucky.

We got ours done through Hypnotic Duplication. The guy who runs it was a multi-platinum producer named Tom Tremeuth (Helix, Honeymoon Suite), and has since gotten into management, etc. He acts as a middle-man and gets the work done through Sony (who does nearly all of the major label stuff). Sony will not deal directly with the public, so you need to go through a place like this.

We had huge problems with our artwork (our problem, not with them or their service) and they were SOOO helpful along the way. They really went above and beyond. The end product was outstanding. Shrink-wrapped, bar coded, coloured discs, etc. If you're in the area, check www.hypnoticduplication.com.

From their website....

At Hypnotic we run true CD Replication, we don't put your project on a short-run duplicator like other companies. Once your job has been approved, the discs are manufactured at Sony in Toronto for the highest possible quality. In addition to manufacturing, we offer design services for artists who are not able to supply artwork and need a helping hand in getting their graphics ready to be printed. Through our hands-on service and attention to detail, we have helped hundreds of musicians, record labels and various music companies complete their projects quickly and professionally. In fact, here's what some of our clients have to say:

"The folks at Hypnotic/Magnetic Air Inc. are completely hands on and willing to work with you until the job is completed 100% correctly so I'd recommend them in a heartbeat"
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#28
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my advice is, take this into photoshop or illustrator or something and convert it into a non-crayon/colored pencil looking drawing. Make the colors solid, and outline everything in a thick black line, and the art style could be used, but i would never use a drawing made with colored pencils for an album cover.



this +1

Its a really great concept but not in that form - computerise it and see what you get with it...Photoshop or Illustrator (preferably the latter) will work wonders
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#29
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honestly, if the album is good i don't give a rat's ass what's on the cover of the CD, ya know?
In principle you're right, konfyouzd. But lots of people (me included I have to admit) are influenced by a cover. If you look for a single/album after you've heard it on the radio, it's a different matter. But when you're shopping for a gift, it does have its importance.

And One on Sunday, yours indeed is great. Especially with the follow-up picture on the back. You see, my first thought was, where can I get it. Even without having heard your music. :-)

No doubt the idea is most important, but bad picture quality can be such a turn-off. It's shallow to judge a book by its cover. But in our society it's an undeniable fact of life. And the commercial aspect of music is what allows us to concentrate on the artistic side.
#30
Whatever your artwork is, you're going to have to get it into the proper format for whoever is printing it. You may have to tailor it to their print capabilities. That means you have to know and meet their requirements, or you take the raw idea to them, and let them format it. With your approval. of course. I guess the point I'm making is, find out who is printing it, and work the details out with them.
#31
a little more detail, maybe?

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#32
CODE, one of the things you need to know, is what kind of cover you need. Gem box, simple sleeve? A gem box can get very complicated. A sleeve is basically 2 sides, so you only need front and back cover art. How much info do you want to include, titles, credits, etc.

This stuff was always pretty easy for me, but it isn't for everyone. The artwork should accurately reflect the style of your music. I've seen some people totally screw this up. Marketing is more difficult than it looks. It is one of the things most big companies can do very well, because they have the money, and teams of people with the expertise to do it(as axemanchris said). You can do it yourself on a small scale, if you work at it, and it is work. Just saying, there is a learning curve to it.
#33
We are pressing through kunaki, so we get a jewel case, tray card, 2 panel insert, and full color disc art. Their software for uploading stuff is great, and if it is close to the right size, it looks good. It lets you preview the art on a mockup of the packaging which is really cool.

And thanks for trying mooshmoosh, but we are probably just going to use cool pictures. The bass player and I have a bunch of good shots that look sweet through black and white.
#34
The drawing 404'd, have you got another link to it?

There's a lot you can do with a simple sketch using computers:




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If this girl has a good drawing style, maybe ask for something more specific and you'll get good results.

The piece above took me about five hours, but someone who specialises in vectors could do it quicker and probably much better..
I'm genuinely not just trying to promote my business here, but drop me a PM if you want any help - if you're not interested in paying for design I'm always happy to offer you some advice to get great-looking results at home.

General tip though: keep it simple. There's nothing looks worse than someone who's overused a ton of Photoshop features so there's dodgy shadows, transparency and glow effects everywhere. Black and white photo + single-colour text in a suitable spot is as complex as you should go without taking a little time to learn the software.
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The drawing 404'd, have you got another link to it?

There's a lot you can do with a simple sketch using computers:




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If this girl has a good drawing style, maybe ask for something more specific and you'll get good results.

The piece above took me about five hours, but someone who specialises in vectors could do it quicker and probably much better..
I'm genuinely not just trying to promote my business here, but drop me a PM if you want any help - if you're not interested in paying for design I'm always happy to offer you some advice to get great-looking results at home.

General tip though: keep it simple. There's nothing looks worse than someone who's overused a ton of Photoshop features so there's dodgy shadows, transparency and glow effects everywhere. Black and white photo + single-colour text in a suitable spot is as complex as you should go without taking a little time to learn the software.


We aren't using the drawing anymore, but would it be cool if I pm'd you the photobucket link of a couple pictures we are working with? I want to make sure it isn't dodgy like you were saying. We are using Picasa rather than photoshop because none of us have $500 or whatever to purchase it.
#36
Okay CODE, I've got a few problems continuing here. If your profile is accurate, you're 10, and you joined when you were 6. You have 0 music, possibly a guitar, and basically an empty profile. I'm out. I don't know what's up, but you're probably a waste of time.
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Okay CODE, I've got a few problems continuing here. If your profile is accurate, you're 10, and you joined when you were 6. You have 0 music, possibly a guitar, and basically an empty profile. I'm out. I don't know what's up, but you're probably a waste of time.


Haha, I didn't know people actually used profiles. I'll go update mine now

Here is my band in the mean time http://www.myspace.com/torobathief
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No songs are up yet, as we took down the old ones and are waiting to put up the new material.
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Okay CODE, I've got a few problems continuing here. If your profile is accurate, you're 10, and you joined when you were 6. You have 0 music, possibly a guitar, and basically an empty profile. I'm out. I don't know what's up, but you're probably a waste of time.


You do know, not everyone has to write(type) down EVERYTHING that has to do with their music careers on their UG profile, right? They could just be using this for forums.

Not trying to start a fight and i mean absolutly no offense by this statement, just making a point.
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#40
He does have a point, I don't spend time in a thread giving advice if I don't think the person has a legit reason to start the thread. There are all levels of a "band" on here. Lots are kids that have never even practiced and just talk about what covers they are going to play, and there are people in touring bands with multiple CDs.

I don't like to waste energy on people that aren't going to use the advice or ever do anything with music.
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