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#1
Hi there Pit
I wanna start writing a novel or book of some kind (fiction).
I was thinking fantasy OR crime genres, but I don't know where to start?
Is there anyone who can give me some helpful advice, or are writers all ready and know a thing or two?
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#6
cool, fantasy is always easiest to go with, cos u can make loads of random **** up and it will make sense...

im writing a mystery novel..... or am i?
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#10
Depends on how fictional you want it to be.

You could write something so ridiculous from your own imagination that'll either be brilliant or awful.

And you say fantasy OR crime, why not do Fantasy Crime? Like, a mystical ninja (no pun intended) fights crime with his best mate, Arigathaur, who happens to be a time-travelling monk with a mysterious past that somehow involves baby elephants, a harmonica and a drill from Black & Deckers.
#12
It's best to sketch an outline for the book, detailing character entrances (and exits if necessary), and charting the narrative and action.
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things you need:
1. macbook
2. beard.
3. liberal agenda
4. a nearby starbuck's coffee or barnes & noble
5. enough money to buy the coffee.


Get a smart car too. And make sure to inform everyone in a 10 foot radius about your up and coming bestseller.
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Oh, what a novel idea.

...good one.
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Oh, what a novel idea.


Yeah, I thought it was a pretty book idea, too.

Wait what?
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#18
Just know that every original thought you think you have....has already been done.
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#21
Wow... amazing there hasn't been a single helpful reply to your post yet. Do yourself a favor and go buy No Plot? No Problem! by Chris Baty http://www.amazon.com/No-Plot-Problem-Low-Stress-High-Velocity/dp/0811845052

That's the handbook to National Novel Writing Month, and the support manual I used to write my first novel. It's supposed to be used as an aid for the actual NaNoWriMo, which is in November, but I did it on my own in January of last year and was successful.

Good Luck!
#22
Try writing some short stories first, and work your way up to novel-writing, to hone your craft.

Wait until you have a good idea for a novel. The way I get ideas for stories is by, well, doing nothing. I let them come to me, and when I think about something that inspires me, I try to craft a plot point around it.
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#23
best thing is to do the spider diagram of ideas and write a plan...keeps you on track

either way i want to read your novel so keep me informed please
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#25
This is all going in my notebook of creative wonder (no not really but cheers anyhow)
Maybe i'll keep folks informed on this thread, or it'll just be a nonstarter and i'll drown myself somewhere.
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I used to write a few short stories and found that planning never really helped much, as it took ages to do so. I just let the story take me.
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#27
Write down a plan of course of the plot, character description (and even drawings to help you describe them), and anything extra. Do this for both your fantasy and crime ideas, and whichever is the most developed and detailed or you will find the easiest to develop shall be the genre to write about!
Keep re-reading over and over the novel as you write it.
Good luck, and most of all remember to HAVE FUN!
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#29
I'm not a writer, but I remember a useful tip someone once gave me about writing. You should know what your climax is going to be before you start writing. Basically begin by writing out the climax of your story, at least just a rough version, and then start writing your story around that.

Also, for your characters try and picture people you know. They don't actually have to be those people, but it will help you in creating depth in your characters so you can actually give them personality and flaws so your characters are interesting rather than just plastic puppets wandering through your story.
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Try writing some short stories first, and work your way up to novel-writing, to hone your craft.

Wait until you have a good idea for a novel. The way I get ideas for stories is by, well, doing nothing. I let them come to me, and when I think about something that inspires me, I try to craft a plot point around it.
+1

Writing, just like anything else, takes practice. Work your way up from short stories to hone your abilities to develop plot, characters, and whatnot. Don't just jump in and attempt to write a bestseller right away because it will probably suck.

Actually, you could just make it about wizards or vampires or some shit and people will still buy it even if it sucks, so idk. Do whatever.


Edit: Also, I disagree with what some people have said. I rarely, if ever, base my characters off of people I know, because then I would find myself wondering what they would do instead of what would be conductive to the story.
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+1

Writing, just like anything else, takes practice. Work your way up from short stories to hone your abilities to develop plot, characters, and whatnot. Don't just jump in and attempt to write a bestseller right away because it will probably suck.

Actually, you could just make it about wizards or vampires or some shit and people will still buy it even if it sucks
, so idk. Do whatever.

Take Twilight as an example.
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#32
Writing something fantasy oriented would be easier, seeing as you can make up all the crap you want and justify anyone challenging it with "YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT CORRECTLY STUDIED THE LORE OF MY REALM!", while for crime writing you'd need to know a lot of specific details about how the police forces operate, autopsy procedures, or whatever.
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#33
So..... You just want to write a novel?

You don't have a clue what's in it, just a novel for the sake of a novel?


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#34
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#35
Most writers hone their craft by writing short stories first. Sustaining a plot and keeping it interesting throughout the length of a novel takes quite a bit of skill.
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#38
I don't know what kind of writer you are or how long you've been doing it but my advice (I have yet to write a novel but am working on it, so I'm no expert ) is to get the basic idea in your head and perhaps write out the plot. My biggest problem is working out endings so I'm getting myself into the habit of making sure I have an idea of where I want the story to go/end before I start writing.

If you can, switch off your inner editor. This is the voice in your head that tells you to stop what you're writing and go over your work. By doing this you stop your progress and you end up editing your work. Just write it from start to finish. You can always edit afterwards. This is actually why I think a lot of writers drink so much.
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#39
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One day whilst Les Claypool was tuning his bass, he heard a peculiarnoise eminating from the basement
So he went to check it out, on his way to the basement he tripped over a South American Tiger named Jerry. Thus making Jerry uber pissed, so he broke all the strings on Les's bass. Les let out an outraged cry and jumps at Jerry
Clearly and epic battle was about to enfold. Les screamed in rage as he unleashed a Spirit Bomb directly into Jerrry's face! Jerry fell, vanquished and decapaitated, with a dull thud. Then a starge aura appeared around his body...Something was happening
Les though, "Oh it's nothing just Jerry's spirit coming back to life...."
"Oh ****!" yelled Les
As the spirit rose it floated slowly towards Les. Instead of standing there and dying Les sprints to the basement. When he closed the door he hears Jerry's ghastly whail. The he hears the strange noise again...
Mr. Claypool has once again found himself in quite the predicament. At the top of the stairs he is faced with two choices, venture down and face the noise, or stand strong against the tiger's apparition. He ponders this and decides to go down.
As he walks down the stairs he notices a small dandiprat something tun across his line of vision. As he crosses the last few steps he realizes that the stairs are now dirt and he seems to be in an underground world far different from his own. Little people are running around chanting, "She's so fine, she's so sweet, her mom and papa raised her on huge slabs of meat."
He now has many questions to think of, Where the **** is he? How did he get here? And Who are these strange creatures and what are they singing about? Perhaps they're praising their Queen in some odd ritual
Or perhaps they are praising their Meat God? Then the group looks up into the sky, well not so much a sky but a huge peice of meat dripping with juices. Then all of the sudden a zebra with a crown comes to stand atop an altar.
Les is absolutely perplexed. An entire race of freaky midgets worshipping meat, with a Zebra as their King? What could he do? Well, naturally he joined their chant and hunkered down. Mabye he could pass as one of their own. He makes his way to the Zebra and asks,
"Who are you you people, and how long have you been here?"
"The Zebra simply replies, "We've always been here Les, and we always will."
Then a giant beef monster erupts from the floor, it extends it's arms in a friendly gesture as if to shake hands
But then suddenly it grabs him by the thumbs and twisted. Les let out a scream of pain and kicked the meat monster right where it hurts most, in the nose. But Les realizes the monster has no nose. The monster let out a meaty meat monster laugh that turns Les's legs to jelly. Then all of the sudden he hears the door at the top of the stairs crash open. Jerry comes down the stairs in a rage, babbling some nonsense about the oven being left on and the house is on fire.
"Les I will not let the meat monster kill you, nor the fire," Said Jerry
Jerry then walked over to the monster and kicks him in the shin, killing the monster imeediately. He then grabs Les and transports him outside. Once outside, Les sees his house really is on fire. Jerry then looks at Les and let's out a meniacal laugh and lunges at Les. Les just has time to pull out a Low E bass string and whips Jerry in the face. The string passes right through Jerry. Les hits the ground and rolls going Super Saiyan 3 in the blink of an eye. Then Jerry started chargin his lazor saying,
"I'm chargin mah lazor!"
"In the name of all that is holy I shall vanquish thee fiend" Les's battle cry seems to stun Jerry. The lazerrs momentarily stopped charging, just long enough for Les to whip out his PEW PEW Cannon, he barely gets it loaded before Jerry continues charging.
"I'm firin mah lazors!!!!" yells Jerry.
"PEW PEW PEW PEW!!" shrieked Les.
MAbye the thunderous blasts would have cancelled each other out, mabye not, but we will never know because at the last moment a Mudkip jumped between them. The poor little guy was destroyed instantly. Les was comepletely baffled but moreso horrified.
"I herd u liek mudkipz," said Jerry, with a twisted grimace on his face.
"I did liek tehm u nub bastard!!!!!!!" screamed Les with hate filled words.
Now this battle is not only fueled but Les's will to survive but also to avenge the loss of the Mudkip.
Jerry starts morphing into only God know's what. Les looked on in horror as Jerry slowly took on the form of a giant platypus with a horrific spike on it's foot.
"You cannot win Les," Mocked Jerry.
Les looks cooly at Jerry with his mudkip fueled rage, puts on his Naruto headband and does his jutsu. In a puff of smoke Les dissapears. Jerry looks around in bewilderment then he hears a shrieking "BREAAAAAA!!!!!" from the sky. Looking up he sees a pterodactyl Les thing falling from the sky with it's pinky claw extended. Jerry lifts his spike foot up at the last second , a thunderous roar and the world was instantaneously destroyed...or so we think!
Luckily at the last second Les rips a hole in the time-space continuum and flees to a parallel dimension. But wait! Jerry to is coming through the tear, in a racecar! Jerry was a RAcecar Driver! HE accelerated and tried to hit Les, but Les stands strong and whips out a PEW PEW Destroyer! He launches a massive blast straight into the hood of the car. The car erupts into flame and and flies away flipping through the air.
Les walks slowly but confidently towards the car. He looks in to find Jerry gone. He let's out a cheer of triumph and then his worst horror comes true.
His parallell self and Jerry come rising out of the ground.
"Oh sweet Jesus," said Les in horror.
The the parallell creatures launch themselves at Les. Les barely has time to let out a Destructo Disk before parallell Les is atop him, he at least thinks gladly that he has pwned that n00b Parallell Jerry.
"I'm gonna gut you like a piggy," Parallell Les says with a sneer.
Then the real Jerry comes out of nowhere using his super attack, Super Spirit Tiger Paw Extravaganza Super Slash.
As Jerry's claws, glowing with power, sunk into Parallel Les's back the Parallel Jerry started charging up his special attack, Super Hyper Atomic Demon Power Pounce Parallel Jerry's teeth sunk into the real Jerry's neck killing him instantly, but at least Jerry was able to kill Parallel Les. It now appears that it's all between Parallel Jerry and Les Claypool. Surely the outcome of this battle will decide the fate of the universe.
Then Les get's sick of all this fighting nonsense , he then does an unnecessary amount of backflips and karate chops Parallel Jerry in the throat. Parallel Jerry dies intantaneously. Les then goes home to take a **** and write couple of new songs called Shake Hands With Beef & Jerry was A Racecar Driver
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Most writers hone their craft by writing short stories first. Sustaining a plot and keeping it interesting throughout the length of a novel takes quite a bit of skill.
Short stories are quite difficult as well. It's a whole different ship than novels. Well, I mean a real, in depth short story, not a half assed attmept at narrating a couple characters doing something rudimentary.
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