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#1
why is it that Canada has free healthcare....but everywheres else doesnt?


i searched and nothing so

"beacause we have a searchbar instead" jokes arent applicable
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#2
"because canada actually hates itself" -according to a lot of republicans.
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#3
UK does, Cuba does... I'm pretty sure France does... Lots of places, really.
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#4
A lot of countries do, you didn't research this much, did you?

Go read about Lester B. Pearson, I wrote a History thesis about him, he's the reason we do.
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UK does, Cuba does... I'm pretty sure France does... Lots of places, really.


Oh.....

well why do we have it and the US doesnt?
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#6
You obviously haven't taken economics.

Canada doesn't have free healthcare; they pay for it in their taxes.

Sure, Canada's health care is socialized, but when it comes to treatment for serious diseases, the wait times are too long to ever stand a chance against a horrible disease.

The way I like to put it, is America's system is superior when it comes to speedy treatment of life-threatening or changing conditions (even though it's expensive, but hell; doctors need to feed their familes), while Canada's is good for fixing a boo-boo in the ER without getting a large bill.
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#7
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Oh.....

well why do we have it and the US doesnt?


Jesus Christ you're dumb.

They were never able to establish it.

WHY CAN'T MONKEYS FLY?

WHATS THE MEANING OF LIFE?

WHY IS TS ASKING DUMB QUESTIONS WITHOUT BOTHERING TO LOOK FOR THE ANSWERS HIMSELF?
#8
^ Yes. Although you are in essence paying for someone's headache 3000km away, you still don't have to pay **** all up here for anything. Yes, it's almost a socialist kinda deal, but I still like knwing that if I get cancer, or get shot, they'll admit me before I pay them thousands of dollars to remove a tumour or piece of lead from my body.

#9
Actually every developed country and some undeveloped ones have universal health care, with the exception of the US. And that is because the US is full of dicks.
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#10
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^ Yes. Although you are in essence paying for someone's headache 3000km away, you still don't have to pay **** all up here for anything. Yes, it's almost a socialist kinda deal, but I still like knwing that if I get cancer, or get shot, they'll admit me before I pay them thousands of dollars to remove a tumour or piece of lead from my body.



/facepalm


They will treat you. They'll save your life. They won't refuse you damn treatment because you can't pay. But after your life is saved you will be left with a large bill, thats how America's system works.

The only difference between America's and Canada's system is wait times, and who pays for it; in Canada, everyone pays a large part, in America, only the people who get hurt pay their bill.

Actually every developed country and some undeveloped ones have universal health care, with the exception of the US. And that is because the US is full of dicks.


/facepalm x2

In case you haven't been keeping up with the news, putting healthcare under the control of the government's budget wouldn't be the best financial decision.

If those are too big of words for you; America's government can't afford socialized heath care, and either can it's citizens when the taxes roll in.
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#11
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/facepalm


They will treat you. They'll save your life. They won't refuse you damn treatment because you can't pay. But after your life is saved you will be left with a large bill, thats how America's system works.

The only difference between America's and Canada's system is wait times, and who pays for it; in Canada, everyone pays a large part, in America, only the people who get hurt pay their bill.


+1

People in this thread are dumb.
#12
I'm curious about this myself. Non-US people, is there really a huge wait for major illnesses and such?
#13
haha what the hell does TS mean



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#14
if the America's healthcare system changes, then say goodbye to all those wonderful pills you love so much. yes its bad, but drug companies really do run that **** here. we can do all of the serious disease research because we have the money to due to the insurance companies and such. yes it would be nice if everyone in the US had great healthcare, but i would prefer not to have more taxes to take care of someone else who probably didnt stay as healthy as i did. also, look at the amount of fat ****s we have here. i dont want to pay for some fatasses heart attack because he couldnt lay off the double bacon cheeseburgers. his life is not my responsibility and i wont pay for him to continue living so he can end up getting a quadruple bypass after he tries to eat a full turkey.
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if the America's healthcare system changes, then say goodbye to all those wonderful pills you love so much. yes its bad, but drug companies really do run that **** here. we can do all of the serious disease research because we have the money to due to the insurance companies and such. yes it would be nice if everyone in the US had great healthcare, but i would prefer not to have more taxes to take care of someone else who probably didnt stay as healthy as i did. also, look at the amount of fat ****s we have here. i dont want to pay for some fatasses heart attack because he couldnt lay off the double bacon cheeseburgers. his life is not my responsibility and i wont pay for him to continue living so he can end up getting a quadruple bypass after he tries to eat a full turkey.


Exactly.

I work minimum wage and get a good $100 taken out of my paycheck already due to taxes.

I wouldn't be too excited to get another $30-50 taken out of each of my checks so I can pay for some jackass who crashed his ninja bike.
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#19
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...but when it comes to treatment for serious diseases, the wait times are too long to ever stand a chance against a horrible disease.

While most of what you said is legit, this is simply untrue. If your illness is critical, you're to be treated first. I'm not talking bout transplants though. That's a different story.

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#20
Yea, come to think about it, I don't really get free healthcare.

I pay taxes, I smoke, and I drink. And it's already been proven that taxing tobacco and alcohol creates a lot more money for the healthcare system than what smokers/drinkers actually cost in treatment (on a whole, obviously).

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#21
The issue with Canadian health care is not that it is a tax-based system, it is that the current government has the IQ of a particularly unintelligent mollusk and does not want to put time and effort into improving it.

Instead of getting a good, socialized health-based system that works, we have an utterly shitty underfunded system that alienates right-wingers that decline to pay taxes because "they don't want to have to pay for someone else's troubles" - which is ridiculous.

A firm tax base is the foundation of solid government, whether right-wingers like this or not. The problem is that the government doesn't believe in tax and would rather offer an option that makes people happy for the outset and then collapses upon itself as everyone realizes that the government now no longer has any resources to fund anything.
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#22
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Exactly.

I work minimum wage and get a good $100 taken out of my paycheck already due to taxes.

I wouldn't be too excited to get another $30-50 taken out of each of my checks so I can pay for some jackass who crashed his ninja bike.



Yea but with that minimum wage you'd sure love to get a little bit of help if you got hurt. Esp when you have no other support.
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#23
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While most of what you said is legit, this is simply untrue. If your illness is critical, you're to be treated first. I'm not talking bout transplants though. That's a different story.


But who is to decide who's is serious or not? If you're about to die, okay yes that is serious, but that is a very, very small percentage of cases that are under the system.

Alright, I believe you. But I've done quite some reading on the matter and have read one too many stories of people who have back problems or something thats "not serious enough" to get to the top, but they still can't work while their waiting.

So you're stuck on the wait list for 6 months but you can't work until you get a treatment. Once your appointment is over then who knows how long you have to wait to get your operation done.

By the time you've actually got your consultation, operation and have recovered, you're over a year into the process and you have lost who knows how much money from being unable to work AND you are still paying for the absolute **** system.

Anyway; yeah, if you're in a socialized healthcare nation, and you think you have free healthcare, think again.
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#24
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Jesus Christ you're dumb.

They were never able to establish it.

WHY CAN'T MONKEYS FLY?

WHATS THE MEANING OF LIFE?

WHY IS TS ASKING DUMB QUESTIONS WITHOUT BOTHERING TO LOOK FOR THE ANSWERS HIMSELF?



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#25
^ No one has free healthcare. Healthcare funded by the government draws money from somewhere.

And three quarters of the problems you describe come from the fact that the current government is a team of bureaucratic mongoloids.
#26
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right-wingers that decline to pay taxes because "they don't want to have to pay for someone else's troubles" - which is ridiculous.


Why don't you tell me why exactly this is ridiculous?
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#27
Free healthcare sucks.

Bringing down my salary as a pharmacist.
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#28
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Why don't you tell me why exactly this is ridiculous?


You are not the center of the universe merely because you are forced to contribute to the "communal pot". Your $100 will not fund the solution to the country's problems.

While at the moment the practice is in a legendary state of disrepair, the principle is sound: everyone contributes, and everyone receives the benefit.
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You are not the center of the universe merely because you are forced to contribute to the "communal pot". Your $100 will not fund the solution to the country's problems.

While at the moment the practice is in a legendary state of disrepair, the principle is sound: everyone contributes, and everyone receives the benefit.


I would agree with you, here. In concept, this is perfect, and ideal.

But here in America, everyone does not contribute. We already have this tax-for-the-greater-good idea in effect with welfare, for food stamps, unemployment... and look at these statistics i jsut found.

More than 43% of all Food Stamps issued are to illegal aliens.

More than 41% of all unemployment checks issued in the United States are to illegal aliens.

Staistics I just found on google.

JUST illegal aliens. You think all the druggies out there are going to contribute? How about my next door neighbor, who actually boasts that he does not pay his taxes, ever?
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#30
so you're telling me that the crack head is contributing too?
#31
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In case you haven't been keeping up with the news, putting healthcare under the control of the government's budget wouldn't be the best financial decision.

If those are too big of words for you; America's government can't afford socialized heath care, and either can it's citizens when the taxes roll in.



Yet the government can afford to fight two wars, cut taxes on the rich, and send billions of dollars to other countries, including those run by religious extremists?

They can easily afford it as long as they get their priorities straight.
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#32
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Sure, Canada's health care is socialized, but when it comes to treatment for serious diseases, the wait times are too long to ever stand a chance against a horrible disease.

The way I like to put it, is America's system is superior when it comes to speedy treatment of life-threatening or changing conditions (even though it's expensive, but hell; doctors need to feed their familes), while Canada's is good for fixing a boo-boo in the ER without getting a large bill.

I'm not getting this. First of all, sicknesses and diseases affect everyone equally whether the country has free health care or not. Why would wait times in Canada be longer? Does the US have some kind of immunity to sickness caused by not having free health care? Unless what you're trying to say is that people with less serious health problems would simply not go to a doctor because they'd have to pay, which I also find unlikely. If you're sick, you're sick. The natural thing to do is see a doctor.
Also, you say wait times are too long to stand a chance against a serious disease. Er, it's not exactly first come first serve. Obviously those with a more serious illness are treated first above the guy with a runny nose. If you're about to die, you're not gonna have to wait. And how is private health care better at dealing with changing conditions? During most epidemics, a large push is made and extra health care is offered publicly
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#33
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so you're telling me that the crack head is contributing too?


You seem to have overlooked the part where the words "in principle" were included.
#34
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You are not the center of the universe merely because you are forced to contribute to the "communal pot". Your $100 will not fund the solution to the country's problems.


Everyone does not contribute, why should I? That is how the Soviet Union collapsed on itself, and thats why socialism in America won't work. People are too caught up in their personal profits, to the point where they will stop contributing when they realize that they don't have to; and other people will.

After all, why would you pay your taxes when you know there's too many people who aren't to ever stop; you won't get in trouble, and your patriotic neighbor will pick up the slack for you.

Quite frankly it scares me that we're talking about this in the first place. We're getting into borderline communist ideals here. Communism is not compatible with the American mindset, and neither is socialism.

They look good on paper, but are never executed properly.
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#35
Yea, it's a given fact that nothing is free and health care is no exception.
I'll go with the back problem example you gave. Now that person has 2 choices: wait and get treated for his tax money or pay for quicker treatment [private].
Also if that person's job requires manual labour [aka: back must be functioning perfectly], he may be covered, in the sense that he gets the priority. Ofcourse, if he's a "less important" worker, he doesn't get many privileges.

An American one in the same position, on the other hand, would have no choice BUT to shell out money to get treated. Less important or not, you'll pay a boatload or die.

Neither is exactly fair for the poor, but that's how it ends up no matter what.

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#36
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You seem to have overlooked the part where the words "in principle" were included.


so you mean kinda like how communism and anarchy work on paper, but not in reality? thank you wise canuck. lay off the principles and start thinking realistically, mankind is first and foremost focused on himself. when he gets his own ass covered then MAYBE he will start looking out for strangers.
#37
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Yea, it's a given fact that nothing is free and health care is no exception.
I'll go with the back problem example you gave. Now that person has 2 choices: wait and get treated for his tax money or pay for quicker treatment [private].
Also if that person's job requires manual labour [aka: back must be functioning perfectly], he may be covered, in the sense that he gets the priority. Ofcourse, if he's a "less important" worker, he doesn't get many privileges.

An American one in the same position, on the other hand, would have no choice BUT to shell out money to get treated. Less important or not, you'll pay a boatload or die.

Neither is exactly fair for the poor, but that's how it ends up no matter what.


I would fully support a system in which the ER and immediate response systems are funded by a government / tax system while everything else that is time consuming is open to private enterprise.

It would eliminate the problems that most people complain about in the ER, and it would keep the capitalist mindset available when it is possible, and doctors will still get payed what they deserve while keeping taxation at a minimum.
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#38
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so you mean kinda like how communism and anarchy work on paper, but not in reality? thank you wise canuck. lay off the principles and start thinking realistically, mankind is first and foremost focused on himself. when he gets his own ass covered then MAYBE he will start looking out for strangers.


This.

Everyone is a capitalist at heart.
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#39
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so you mean kinda like how communism and anarchy work on paper, but not in reality? thank you wise canuck. lay off the principles and start thinking realistically, mankind is first and foremost focused on himself. when he gets his own ass covered then MAYBE he will start looking out for strangers.


Don't you try telling me about human nature, you mongoloid. It is not my job to propose forms of government that should be looked at as a viable alternative to our current ones. We are discussing theories here, not practice.

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I would fully support a system in which the ER and immediate response systems are funded by a government / tax system while everything else that is time consuming is open to private enterprise.

It would eliminate the problems that most people complain about in the ER, and it would keep the capitalist mindset available when it is possible, and doctors will still get payed what they deserve while keeping taxation at a minimum.


"What they deserve"? Who decides what they deserve? Who decides who is deciding?

You may not like taxation, but the government needs funding somehow. No matter what you argue, this point will come back to you. It is impossible to keep taxation "at a minimum".
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