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#1
Hi! I've recently joined a Heavy-Metal band and my telecaster is not giving me the sound we need. I've though about buying this bridge pickup: DIMARZIO DP389 TONE ZONE T WH.

Do you think it's going to help me have the sound I want?

Cheers from Spain!!
#4
the thing is that telecasters aren't very good sound for metal. You would probably want to stick a real humbucker in there, as well as changing the bridge for a standard strat style fixed bridge. Shouldn't be too difficult to do, you would have to rout out a space for the humbucker though.
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#5
But the fact is that I actually think that the fewer changes I do, the better it will be for the guitar. I don't wanna sound like Petrucci, Malmsteen or Laiho, just a bit more "hard rock".

The other guitarrist owns a Jackson with active Seymour Duncan pickups and we want to make our guitars sound different. I really don't want to get his sound.

My amp is a Peavey Valveking VK100 with a Laney cabinet.

The easier solution might be buying a Distortion Pedal in order to give my amp some more gain... I really don't know.

What do you think I should do?
#6
So your other guitarist has blackouts then huh........well are you lead or rythem?.........And the tele can be just fine for metal I mean One of the guys from slipknot has a Tele........wait he's the rythem NVm..........The pedal might be a good idea. I can't tell you what cab or amp is good cause I don't have money to test them out but it sounds like you've got a good set up. I say if its worth it to you a new distortion pedal will be good.
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#7
All a pedal will do is make your sound fuzzy, a Valveking has plenty of distortion. Tele humbuckers will make your sound thicker. A bridge change will help if you want to get rid of the twang. What kind of sound are you aiming for? Do you play lead or rhythm?
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So your other guitarist has blackouts then huh........well are you lead or rythem?.........And the tele can be just fine for metal I meanOne of the guys from slipknot has a Tele........wait he's the rythem NVm..........The pedal might be a good idea. I can't tell you what cab or amp is good cause I don't have money to test them out but it sounds like you've got a good set up. I say if its worth it to you a new distortion pedal will be good.


OFFTOPIC: Jim Root (the guy you speak of), is technically the Rhythm guitarist, but he does most of the Solo's, as well as the fills. They kinda just switch off who does which part in terms of Lead and Rhythm.

ONTOPIC: Do you play lead or Rhythm?


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But the fact is that I actually think that the fewer changes I do, the better it will be for the guitar. I don't wanna sound like Petrucci, Malmsteen or Laiho, just a bit more "hard rock".

The other guitarrist owns a Jackson with active Seymour Duncan pickups and we want to make our guitars sound different. I really don't want to get his sound.

My amp is a Peavey Valveking VK100 with a Laney cabinet.

The easier solution might be buying a Distortion Pedal in order to give my amp some more gain... I really don't know.

What do you think I should do?


The thing is you can sound different to the other guitar player without sounding like a twangy bastard. If you want to sound like a singing cowboy though, then by all means keep the current bridge.
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#10
I'll play both rhythm and solo.

@Metalfan41 I just wanna get some more distorsion and have some higher treble tones without noise. Thanks for you opinion about the pedal.

@eddiehimself It may be just beacuse I am not English but your comment looks a bit unpolite to me. Or maybe it's just beacause you're the only bastard in here. Nope?
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Quote by v.gimenez

@eddiehimself It may be just beacuse I am not English but your comment looks a bit unpolite to me. Or maybe it's just beacause you're the only bastard in here. Nope?


Really, the bastard comment wasn't supposed to be an insult, rather just a comment on the type of tone you'll get out of a tele. You're definetly not going to reduce noise by using a distortion pedal. In fact if you use both it's just going to sound ridiculous and you're going to get insane amounts of feedback.

Now i'm just trying to offer helpful advice here. A telecaster is not a metal guitar with it's original bridge at least, if you don't want to do any work to it then get a new guitar is all i can say.
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#12
malmsteen uses a strat in bridge position which can be very similar to a tele in the bridge. proving the point that amps can get you the sound you want. it all comes down to gain. you may find that a clean boost pedal gives you the distortion you want by giving your amp a louder signal to work with. single coil bridge by itself is THE weakest type of electric guitar pickup in terms of how loud it is (hotness). your going to need lots of clean gain before it even gets into the amp. you will find that your valveking has plenty of distortion when you give it the proper hot signal.

EDIT: yes the tonezone is good but get a clean boost first. MXR boost is the best sounding cheap pedal.
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#13
@eddiehimself Sorry for my last comment. I've just had a crazy day at work. About the feedback, I actually only get it when I turn on the Gain Boost and I'm not playing. That's why I thought a pedal coould help me. Giving me this extra gain but without any kind of feedback. About changing the bridge, I just can't afford it. Maybe, in a couple of years, I'll have a Tele with Humbuckers and a Floyd Rose on it.

@fullsailstudent My amp really gives enough distortion, but the real problem is that I get a huge amount of feedback when turning the Gain Boost on.
But it only happens with my Telecaster. I've played with the other guitarist's Jackson and with my Ibanez SA Series and the sound is really hot, powerful and without any kind of feedback. That's why I thougt getting this pickups could help me.

Thank you both.
#14
Quote by Unherolike
So your other guitarist has blackouts then huh........well are you lead or rythem?.........And the tele can be just fine for metal I mean One of the guys from slipknot has a Tele........wait he's the rythem NVm..........The pedal might be a good idea. I can't tell you what cab or amp is good cause I don't have money to test them out but it sounds like you've got a good set up. I say if its worth it to you a new distortion pedal will be good.


Yes but he has 2 active EMG humbuckers in his tele...
I think the Dimarzio may help, but I sort of agree with Unherelike teles can be used for metal, I think with a distortion pedal and possibly an EQ pedal your good to go.
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Yes but he has 2 active EMG humbuckers in his tele...
I think the Dimarzio may help, but I sort of agree with Unherelike teles can be used for metal, I think with a distortion pedal and possibly an EQ pedal your good to go.

Well I know he has Emg's what the TS should do is find out what Pups John5 has in his Tele cause he has a nice metal tone to it......wait a sec.........here we are 1 Custom Shop “Twisted” Tele Single-Coil (Neck),
1 SeymourDuncan Hot Rails Humbucking Pickup (Bridge) is what John5 has in his Tele.
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isp decimator will get rid of the noise
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#18
not enough moeny for a bridge?
http://store.guitarfetish.com/gistbr.html
there's plenty of them here at reasonable prices, and for what I've heard, they're very nice, don't let the price trick you.

EDIT: but yeah, a nice pickup would help too..I think they suggested this one before, but here you go anyway:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Seymour-Duncan-SHR-1-Hot-Rail-Stacked-Single-Coil-Pickup-300300-i1127440.gc

A metal humbucker in your guitar's single-coil hole.
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Quote by v.gimenez
@eddiehimself Sorry for my last comment. I've just had a crazy day at work. About the feedback, I actually only get it when I turn on the Gain Boost and I'm not playing. That's why I thought a pedal coould help me. Giving me this extra gain but without any kind of feedback. About changing the bridge, I just can't afford it. Maybe, in a couple of years, I'll have a Tele with Humbuckers and a Floyd Rose on it.

@fullsailstudent My amp really gives enough distortion, but the real problem is that I get a huge amount of feedback when turning the Gain Boost on.
But it only happens with my Telecaster. I've played with the other guitarist's Jackson and with my Ibanez SA Series and the sound is really hot, powerful and without any kind of feedback. That's why I thougt getting this pickups could help me.

Thank you both.

All the feedback will is fromt he single coils, look into some hot rails, they'll get rid of it for the most part. What you could look into for the future is a Charvel San Dimas style 2, which is a Tele with humbuckers and a Floyd Rose. But for now, you can deffiantly change the bridge, they cost less than a pickup most of the time. As mentioned, Guitar Fetish sells them for a pretty good price, you can also look on eBay and musiciansfriend.
http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Tele-Bridge-Kit?sku=361339
This ones made by Fender, and you can get replacement strat saddles for it
http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Set-of-6-American-Series-Bridge-Sections?sku=361261
Thats $55 before shipping, so its not outragious, you can probably find a Fender dealer near you who can order those for you since it would probably be cheaper then ordering from the US
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[quote="eddiehimself]the thing is that telecasters aren't very good sound for metal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnhdJVh9iIY
Come again?

Also, the Tone Zone bridge would actually be good, but you will loose some treble as that's a very bass and midrange heavy pickup. But then again, you might actually want that as the other guy's Jackson with EMGs is very bright and trebley as well. I'd go for the Tone Zone or super Distortion (for more midrange coming from the guitar, which will allow you to scoop your midrange a tad more on the amp for more of that high end grind you seem to be looking for without sacrificing the girth needed for the genre).
Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
Stupid name.
Probably picked "for teh lulz"

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#21
Maybe look at your amp first, are the speakers good? What kind of tubes are in it, etc etc...

Also. A tele may not give a super beefy metal tone because of the woods most teles are made with, alot of metal guitars are made with mahogany and heavier woods. Teles are typically brighter, lighter wood.
#22
wow... telecasters really don't fit into teh br00talz... shin, watching that video made me chuckle a bit
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oh you're always going to get some clever sod who wants to use a completely stupid guitar for the genre. He probably used some sort of amp simulator or something.
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Quote by Metalfan41
http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Tele-Bridge-Kit?sku=361339
This ones made by Fender, and you can get replacement strat saddles for it
http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Set-of-6-American-Series-Bridge-Sections?sku=361261
Thats $55 before shipping, so its not outragious, you can probably find a Fender dealer near you who can order those for you since it would probably be cheaper then ordering from the US


bravo. so much better than the 2 for 1 saddles. and umm if I can say something about a rails aka humbucker not a humbucker. well why not just get a hot noisless strat bridge pickup. so it still looks stock. without changing the sound too much. and dont stand in front of your amp! problem solved. and no one will know its not stock.
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#25
As far as I've just noticed I've saved some money (I think I have about 120&euro I think I gonna buy the Hot Rails pickup (thanks Unherolike) and a pedal. I'm going to have a go with some of them and see what's the best choice. Maybe, in a not-so-far future, I'll buy a good heavy-metal bridge. I want it to sound like a real Tele now.

Thanks everybody!
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Quote by v.gimenez
As far as I've just noticed I've saved some money (I think I have about 120&euro I think I gonna buy the Hot Rails pickup (thanks Unherolike) and a pedal. I'm going to have a go with some of them and see what's the best choice. Maybe, in a not-so-far future, I'll buy a good heavy-metal bridge. I want it to sound like a real Tele now.

Thanks everybody!


if you're going to buy a pedal then instead of a distortion pedal i'd reccomend you buy a noise gate, so you can increase the gain and volume without getting any feedback and noise and stuff.
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#28

if you're going to buy a pedal then instead of a distortion pedal i'd reccomend you buy a noise gate, so you can increase the gain and volume without getting any feedback and noise and stuff.

with hot rails?
i never needed noise gate
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with hot rails?
i never needed noise gate


when you're playing metal in a band, you need a noise gate. Sod all this "volume control" bull****, sounds about 100x tighter if you use one.
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first of all, what is your tele, and here's my suggestion without having to do any work to your tele so you can keep your tele sound when your in the mood.

tele-->noisegate-->duncanpickupbooster-->valveking

i dont see why a tele doesnt work for metal? i find them to be a good median between single coils and humbuckers, the bridge has a bit more output than a strat, but it has a lot of cut as well, and the neck has a great open warm clean sound. with the right amp it should sound fine, but the vlaveking isn't the best "brootalz" amp so that might be the fault. however try what i suggested, or if you always have your tone up just replace your tone with an emg spc, and bam! thick fat tone.
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#31
you can get good tone out of a valveking... you can search for youtube videos all day on it... some people are getting tEh EpiC Br00taLz out of them
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#32
valve king; decent metal, good hard rock.
telecaster; decent metal, good hard rock.

the 2 together are a great hard rock set up, but probably just barely cut par for a metal tone. telecaster into something with excessive gain and low end = great metal sound
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@iheartmy7 great deduction, dude!

I said I'd buy both things 'coz buying stuff in Spain is extremely expensive. I buy everything in Germany but the delivery fees are expensive too. If I buy both things at the same time, I save about 50€! I'll probably buy the hot rails first and ask somebody to let me a distortion or noise gate pedal for a couple of weeks. If I really feel good with any of them, I might buy one.

Thanks!!
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Maybe look at your amp first, are the speakers good? What kind of tubes are in it, etc etc...

Also. A tele may not give a super beefy metal tone because of the woods most teles are made with, alot of metal guitars are made with mahogany and heavier woods. Teles are typically brighter, lighter wood.

I've seen more than a TON of metal guitars made from alder and basswood. The Schecter Jeff Loomis 7 string is made of ash, too (like some Teles, although the Tele's use swamp ash, the only difference in sound is a bit less midrange and treble).
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wow... telecasters really don't fit into teh br00talz... shin, watching that video made me chuckle a bit

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oh you're always going to get some clever sod who wants to use a completely stupid guitar for the genre. He probably used some sort of amp simulator or something.

Jari's been known to use an ENGL rack setup and a Mesa Triaxis preamp (he used that on this specific album with the Mes Simulclas 2:90 power amp). You honestly mean to tell em you can't hear just by listening that he uses a Tele? It's vastly apparent in the sound, and personally I find it to be quite aggressive and unique.
Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
Stupid name.
Probably picked "for teh lulz"

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Quote by v.gimenez
@iheartmy7 great deduction, dude!

I said I'd buy both things 'coz buying stuff in Spain is extremely expensive. I buy everything in Germany but the delivery fees are expensive too. If I buy both things at the same time, I save about 50€! I'll probably buy the hot rails first and ask somebody to let me a distortion or noise gate pedal for a couple of weeks. If I really feel good with any of them, I might buy one.

Thanks!!


You can say that again. I got 2 CDs in madrid and it was €40! But mind you, at least you can still get stuff at decent prices on thomann.
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@eddiehimself I meant guitar stuff. Buying an amp, a guitar or, even, picks is much more expensive in here. Madrid may be a bit cheaper because the shops must have competitive prices. If you live in a tiny village next to France and the nearest guitar shop in there is the only one in about 50 miles, the prices become higher and higher.
#38
Quote by Crizzle
Yes but he has 2 active EMG humbuckers in his tele...
I think the Dimarzio may help, but I sort of agree with Unherelike teles can be used for metal, I think with a distortion pedal and possibly an EQ pedal your good to go.



Exactly, but you aren't going to get a good metal with single coils. It's possible to get a metal esque sound but it wont sound very good, the distortion will just be overkill and you'll have a fuzzy-feedback sound. Either get a stacked humbucker in the bridge position (tonezone s, super s, seymour duncan screamin demon jr, etc.) or get a humbucker routed tele bridge HERE remove some wood and fashion a humbucker in there
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#39
stick a dual rails pickup in the bridge ($20 on ebay). its a (single coil size) humbucker pickup that should fit in the bridge with little to no mods. you can use it as a 2 wire or 4 wire pickup.

but you might just want to get a pedal or GNX FX workstation this way no matter what guitar you play through it - you got killer sound with no guitar mod needed.
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#40
Quote by v.gimenez
@eddiehimself I meant guitar stuff. Buying an amp, a guitar or, even, picks is much more expensive in here. Madrid may be a bit cheaper because the shops must have competitive prices. If you live in a tiny village next to France and the nearest guitar shop in there is the only one in about 50 miles, the prices become higher and higher.


Hey dude, listen...

I have a Fender Standard Telecaster that I modded with GFS Modern Vintage pickups.

They are humbuckers the size of a single coil, but to put one in the neck would require you to make the hole a little bit bigger in your pickguard.

The pickups can be seen here... http://store.guitarfetish.com/catepisetmvi.html

Ironically enough, I also have a Peavey Valveking 100W head - all stock, and with the combination of my Telecaster and Valveking, I can get the exact tone you're looking for, and I highly suggest you follow in my footsteps.

It's gonna be cheap too, $50 for both pickups, and they sound wonderful.

Now might I also suggest you check out the Peavey Valveking MK. II Thread, where they talk about the "free mods" that can give you a little more gain and output for some heavier stuff.

Let me know what you think dude!
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