#1
Hi

So I'm thinking of getting a rail pickup for the bridge position in my Fender MIM Stratocaster.

I would like something that can handle John Frusciante sort of tones (Dani California sort of stuff) but I also want Classic Strat tones, and a really nice clean tone.

Which of these would be best?

Dimarzio Chopper

Dimarzio Tone Zone S

Dimarzio Cruiser

Dimarzio Fast Track

Dimarzio Pro Track

I know all of these can do Hi-gain well, but which one has the best clean tone???

Thanks,
#2
Frusciante uses stock Fender singlecoils.

What amp and pedals do you have?
Quote by John Frusciante
“Dani California” I used a straight Strat tone on the first section of the first verse, and on the second section the guitar signal is split and panned in stereo, with the original part on the left, and a part processed using my Doepfer modular synth on the right. Basically, the signal from the tape is used to trigger an envelope generator (or ADSR), which responds to playing dynamics, and uses that information to dynamically control a low-pass filter. Unlike a typical envelope filter pedal, this setup allows me to create many more sounds than mere wah effects. Then, those two sections are repeated, and as I’m hanging on the sustained chord which transitions into the chorus, a Mellotron string part slowly rises behind the guitar. You can hardly hear the Mellotron, but it’s what makes it feel like something really big is about to happen. On the chorus, I doubled the guitar parts, which were played using a Boss DS-2 Turbo Distortion pedal.

The second verse begins with a couple of guitars playing in harmony. After they were recorded, I ran them through a Moog MF-105 MuRF (Multiple Resonance Filter Array) pedal six times, and recorded the results on individual tracks. The MuRF is very unpredictable, and sounded different on each pass. I kept going until I got a take that I really liked, though we actually wound up using all six takes in combination. Otherwise, the processing is the same as on the first verse.

For the bridge, the rhythm guitar is processed with the Doepfer’s LFO (Low-Frequency Oscillator) controlling its high-pass filter, so that the filter opens and closes rhythmically. The drums are also filtered, so that they are small and panned to one side at the beginning, then gradually get bigger and pan out across the full stereo spectrum, which lets you hear the guitar treatment more clearly.

On the third verse I overdubbed an additional rhythm guitar track. Then, on the buildup to the chorus, I added some diminished chords along with several harmony parts. To get the highest harmonies, we slowed the tape down and recorded them at a slower speed, so that they would be pitched above the range of the guitar when the tape was sped back up.

There are lots of additional harmony guitar parts on the second half of the third chorus, positioned in two groups panned to either side. Also, Eddie Kramer came in and showed our engineer how to do ’60s-style tape phasing, which we used on an early mix, and we wound up splicing a section of that mix into the part transitioning out of the chorus.

I played the original solo when we recorded the basic tracks, and then doubled it later, except for the super-fast wah part at the end, which was too difficult to double perfectly, so I put that section through a Delta Labs Effectron II digital delay set to a quick delay with just a touch of slow modulation.

http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/red-hot-chili/Sep-06/23160
Last edited by blue_strat at Jul 28, 2009,
#3
Quote by blue_strat
Frusciante uses stock Fender singlecoils.

What amp and pedals do you have?

http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/red-hot-chili/Sep-06/23160



A Blackstar HT-5, Vox Wah, Little Big Muff and a modded Boss SD-1. Thanks for the quote, but I when I said John Frusciante I just said him to describe what sort of tone I wanted. So Something Hi-gain but not metal. And Strat-like cleans! Thanks.
#4
i agree with blue strat, if you want frusciante-style strat tones combined with classic strat tones, you basically want strat tones, which generally means true single coils with reasonably low output.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#7
^ the dimarzios you listed or the fenders he listed above your post?
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#8
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^ the dimarzios you listed or the fenders he listed above your post?



The Dimarzios I listed.
#9
Fender CS69's

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#10
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The Dimarzios I listed.


thanks. I'm not sure I've actually tried any of those, but I imagine none of those would sound particularly stratty, based on the rail-type single coils I have tried, plus dimarzio's own descriptions. Certainly several of those are supposed to achieve tones closer to humbucker tones (e.g. the tone zone s) than single coils. If you want more stratty tones, but want them to be noiseless, the virtual vintage range would likely be a better idea.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#11
As said before Frusciante uses normal single coils so there's no reason why you shouldn't go for a typical strat pickup. Whats your budget?
#12
Quote by aaronni
As said before Frusciante uses normal single coils so there's no reason why you shouldn't go for a typical strat pickup. Whats your budget?



Well I don't really want to spend over £135.

I'm a bit confused, I want good tone but no noise. I'm either gonna get some Bare Knuckle Mothers Milk pickups and shield them, (However I do not know how effective it will be) or get some noiseless pickups - Dimarzio Area 58's in the neck/middle and a Dimarzio rail (not sure which) in the neck.


Which do you think is my best option? Thanks.
#13
Quote by The Chimney Man
Well I don't really want to spend over £135.

I'm a bit confused, I want good tone but no noise. I'm either gonna get some Bare Knuckle Mothers Milk pickups and shield them, (However I do not know how effective it will be) or get some noiseless pickups - Dimarzio Area 58's in the neck/middle and a Dimarzio rail (not sure which) in the neck.


Which do you think is my best option? Thanks.

PM CorduroyEW, he makes handwound pickups in the UK like Bareknuckle but a bit cheaper, they're about £130 now. Last time I checked Bareknuckles were about £180. I may be a bit biased cause I'm actually getting a set the end of this week. His website is here http://www.rockmonkeyguitars.com/index.html At the prices we pay for mass produced pickups in the UK you may as well go for some boutique quality stuff.

I was in the same sorta mindset recently, didn't want the noise but wanted pure strat tone. I'm getting a set of Rockmonkey pickups and I'm gonna shield the inside of my strat, that should be enough for me. If you ask Cord about this I'm sure he'll be happy to help.
Last edited by aaronni at Jul 28, 2009,
#14
yeah, if you're in the UK dimarzios, especially the virtual vintage ones, are going to be really dear. Look into bareknuckles, rockmonkeys, swinesheads, bulldogs, shed, etc. etc. etc. which will likely be cheaper and better, as long as you don't mind their not being noiseless.

you could also consider that suhr noiseless system, but that's going to add a lot to the cost again.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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