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#1
Would you consider Theocracy a type of government, or just a goverment that has religious influence??

Dont flame me or attack me, i am just curious because i myself am not sure.
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Theocracy is a form of government in which a god or deity is recognized as the state's supreme civil ruler,[1] or in a broader sense, a form of government in which a state is governed by immediate divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided.[2] In Common Greek, “theocracy” means a rule [kra′tos] by God [the.os′]. For believers, theocracy is a form of government in which divine power governs an earthly human state, either in a personal incarnation or, more often, via religious institutional representatives (i.e., a church), replacing or dominating civil government.[3] Theocratic governments enact theonomic laws.
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Theocracy is a form of government in which a god or deity is recognized as the state's supreme civil ruler,[1] or in a broader sense, a form of government in which a state is governed by immediate divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided.[2] In Common Greek, “theocracy” means a rule [kra′tos] by God [the.os′]. For believers, theocracy is a form of government in which divine power governs an earthly human state, either in a personal incarnation or, more often, via religious institutional representatives (i.e., a church), replacing or dominating civil government.[3] Theocratic governments enact theonomic laws.

This. It is a quite odd system of government.

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#6
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An entire Government based on a single religion? Sounds stupid.


Don't go to the Vatican.
#7
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A Government based on religion? Sounds stupid.
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#11
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I think it's a type of government, and frankly, I don't see whats wrong with it.
I don't care about your personal religous views but why should you be allowed to impose your views on others?
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#12
i know, a theocracy is quite dumb, i was just wondering. thanks
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#13
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I don't care about your personal religous views but why should you be allowed to impose your views on others?

Why shouldn't you?

Some societies are very homogeneous. I don't think that has even crossed their minds.

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#14
I think Iran is technically a theocracy, especially since its full name is the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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Any government that posts a diety as it's head is foolish, it'll be rife with corruption and brainwashing. As is dictated by the past, belief in god or whatever is fine and anyone has the right to believe so, but when they post a "god" as head post of the government, somethings wrong :P
#16
Try looking up Turkmenistan. Turkmenbashi is our best recent example of a theocracy. My only regret at his passing, is that there's no more Turkmenbashi to be amused by.
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Why shouldn't you?
Depends on your worldview. I'm an individualist. I value individual autonomy and freedom (I am NOT a capitalist/libertarian before you ask)
Some societies are very homogeneous. I don't think that has even crossed their minds.
Then why do they need to impose their views by force then?
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#18
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Then why do they need to impose their views by force then?

They don't. 100% of the population agreeing the Head of State is the Flying Spaghetti Monster is still a theocracy. Force is just usually the name of the game.

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Depends on your worldview. I'm an individualist. I value individual autonomy and freedom (I am NOT a capitalist/libertarian before you ask)
Then why do they need to impose their views by force then?

Well that's the thing. Within a homogeneous society, they might not even think twice about the mandatory religion. They probably think it's completely normal and in no way imposed by force.

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I think Iran is technically a theocracy, especially since its full name is the Islamic Republic of Iran.


Strictly not. It's a republic, in that it has no royalty or noble class. It's guided on Sharia principles, but Ahmadinejad hasn't declared himself Allah/God/whatever. Unlike Turkmenbashi I mentioned before, who insisted his people treat him as God. That's theocracy.
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#21
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Why shouldn't you?

Take a look at present-day Iran and Afghanistan under the Taliban, then look up the Salem Witch Trials, the Spanish Inquisition, and Mary Tudor.

That's why.
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Well that's the thing. Within a homogeneous society, they might not even think twice about the mandatory religion. They probably think it's completely normal and in no way imposed by force.
But why do they need to impose their religion by force if the society is homogenous?
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But why do they need to impose their religion by force if the society is homogenous?

They don't. You can have a theocracy without force.

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But why do they need to impose their religion by force if the society is homogenous?

Well, by saying that they don't feel that it's imposed by force, I'm implying that they probably do it willingly because it's so prominent in their homogeneous culture and doesn't take the least bit of force to conform to the religion.

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#25
yea its a type of government, look at North Korea for example; they worship Kim Jong Il and his dead dad as demi-gods and the whole of their society is based around worshipping those two and thanking them for everything all day long from their food, to their jobs.
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#26
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They don't. You can have a theocracy without force.

How many have there been without force?
I mean either in their initial establishment, or in later repression of other faiths?
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yea its a type of government, look at North Korea for example; they worship Kim Jong Il and his dead dad as demi-gods and the whole of their society is based around worshipping those two and thanking them for everything all day long from their food, to their jobs.
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#28
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How many have there been without force?
I mean either in their initial establishment, or in later repression of other faiths?

I was speaking theoretically

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How many have there been without force?
I mean either in their initial establishment, or in later repression of other faiths?
Exactly. I find it hard to believe that no one at any time in a theocracy is going to dissent fromt the prescribed religion. At that point the theocracies legitimacy starts to break down
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I was speaking theoretically
Theoretically any type of government works as long as the entire population is in consensus
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yea its a type of government, look at North Korea for example; they worship Kim Jong Il and his dead dad as demi-gods and the whole of their society is based around worshipping those two and thanking them for everything all day long from their food, to their jobs.


I wonder what will happen when Kim Jong and all of his family dies??

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#31
america bleh is a theocracy now. we are 'tolerant' of people who follow other religions but we make rules according to our dumb religion. argh! i can't take it! is england any better?
#32
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america bleh is a theocracy now. we are 'tolerant' of people who follow other religions but we make rules according to our dumb religion. argh! i can't take it! is england any better?


America is definitely not a theocracy, it's just got a lot of imbeciles in office. Like any country, really.
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Quote by eddievanzant
america bleh is a theocracy now. we are 'tolerant' of people who follow other religions but we make rules according to our dumb religion. argh! i can't take it! is england any better?

You have no idea what a theocracy is, do you?

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america bleh is a theocracy now. we are 'tolerant' of people who follow other religions but we make rules according to our dumb religion.
That's not a theocracy. Your god isn't the head of state. It's more a matter of institutionalised retardation
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argh! i can't take it! is england any better?
Marginally
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#35
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Try looking up Turkmenistan. Turkmenbashi is our best recent example of a theocracy. My only regret at his passing, is that there's no more Turkmenbashi to be amused by.
Daresay it wasn't so funny for the people of Turkmenistan.

Their previous President for life has to be the most hilarious tyrannical bastard of all time
#36
Quote by Nietsche
Exactly. I find it hard to believe that no one at any time in a theocracy is going to dissent fromt the prescribed religion. At that point the theocracies legitimacy starts to break down
Theoretically any type of government works as long as the entire population is in consensus

It would be nice if that could ever be the case, but IMO there are too many people to achieve this now, and probably have been ever since the bronze age.
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Quote by eddievanzant
america bleh is a theocracy now. we are 'tolerant' of people who follow other religions but we make rules according to our dumb religion. argh! i can't take it! is england any better?

People here are ridiculously apathetic to religion. It would take me a fair while to name 5-10 people I know in real life of a particular faith.
#38
Quote by SteveHouse
You have no idea what a theocracy is, do you?

i know america isn't a theocracy. i was just just saying.. you understand you're just arguing.
#39
Quote by MightyAl
It would be nice if that could ever be the case, but IMO there are too many people to achieve this now, and probably have been ever since the bronze age.
I have a few views/ideas on this issue but we'd probably be poking into the realms of the politics thread
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i know america isn't a theocracy. i was just just saying.. you understand you're just arguing.



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