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Now, before the flames begin, remember that im building this basically by "eyeballing" and using various measurements ive been gathering. I realize the pine is a **** structural wood, but its all i have, i may be using walnut for the body if i can find a big enough piece (i dont think i have one). Ive NEVER played a violin before, i dont care what you say, im still going to build this, im building it for the experience, and maybe to fiddle around with (pun slightly intended) every now and then. and of course Remember, it's all ELECTRIC, no sound chamber



now then! now that i have a small disclaimer done, time for the thread,


So basically i have some odds-n'-ends pieces of walnut left from another project, so i decided id build an electric violin! basically this is my idea-

body- solid, pine unless i can find a big enough piece of walnut.
neck- walnut center, outside pieces being pine
fretboard-walnut, hand radiused (no radius block)
headstock- to accept standard guitar tuners
bridge- dont know yet
tailpiece- made off the same piece of walnut as the fretboard
electronics- two piezos, 2/3 band EQ

of course, i know alot of people are going to wonder why im using pine, the answer is that its pretty much all i have, besides the walnut. ive built a couple test guitar necks and bodies from it, i feel very confident in using it, if i do decide to build another, damn right ill be using maple. like i said earlier, if i find a big enough piece of walnut, the body will be walnut.

i already have my schematic for my preamp done, just deciding if i want to save weight by doing 2 bands, or go all out for 3.

basically im trying to make this as cheap as possible, and at this point i have spent the grand total of $0, i have spent nothing, and i'd love to not let it get much more.


now onto the pictures? the neck is still in the rough (as in, VERY rough), the fretboard is just about done, just got make it thinner, and the body is done as far as shapping is concerned (if i do decide to keep it)

oh yeah, the walnut may be old and dried out (over 20 years old), but it's beautiful in person, im sad the pictures didnt capture that.

pictarz?










more work will be done friday, i wont be at home at all tomorrow till about 10:00 pm eastern time, so no time to go to the shop.
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#2
Why the hell is the radius so round?
I know nothing about Violins, but that looks WAY to round...

Looking good so far though :p


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I've read that walnut's not hard enough for a fretboard, but this is your time to experiment and screw around with it. Should be a cool learning experience.
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oh. Is that why you asked about like 2.5" compound raidus?
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#5
Nope, the 2.5 was for a different project.

On the comment of not being hard enough: this walnut is much harder than the rosewood I dealt with, I've only dealt with this one batch though.
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This is gonna be sweet man. I will be following this.
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Sounds like a good build in prosses Connor.

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#12
This actually looks better than i thought it would!

For the fretboard you should have got it down to the thickness you wanted then radiused it.
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#13
just for visual i would say either cut or paint F-holes on it, it just brings out this classy appearance, but thats my opinion
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#15
wow, im surprised no one has busted a nut on me for using pine.

but i really like the idea of the painted f-holes, im going to see how im going to do the rest of the body electronic-wise, then if i can fit them in, i will do that for sure.

thanks for all the great comments guys, much better than my last build (dare i bring it up)
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#16
The walnut and pine neck looks good, but it probaly wont be strong enough. I would suggest putting a metal bar in the neck to help strengthen it (like a non-adjustible truss rod). A violin neck is under an great amount of stress, i just cant see walnut and pine being enough.

Another suggestion that is purly cosmetic...If you can, I would go with a pine body with walnut top or vice versa. Come to think of it a walnut body with pine top would look pretty bada$$. IMO.

Good luck with it dude, its looking good so far.
#17
As a violinist I was nervous when you said you've never played a violin before. I was also intrigued. As a builder, every part of my body says "GO Conner!" Anywhosle...

It's looking good so far. Do you know what you are going to do for pegs? Are you going to build a pegbox and use violin pegs, or are you going to install guitar tuners? I think option 2 would be awesome.



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EDIT: To scowmoo, the neck is supposed to be that round. It's just how it is on violins.
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#18
To the F-holes idea, I think it would look cool to route them straight thru the body.
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#19
I think the neck is a bit fat and thick especially near the scroll but I can't really tell from the pictures
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I think the neck is a bit fat and thick especially near the scroll but I can't really tell from the pictures



it is way too fat, oh yeah, that's what she said.

anyways, i messed up with my measurements i got off the internet, i made the neck the thickness that the neck AND the fretboard together were supposed to be, silly me

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To the F-holes idea, I think it would look cool to route them straight thru the body.


now THAT'S a neat idea, will deffinitely put it into consideration.


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As a violinist I was nervous when you said you've never played a violin before. I was also intrigued. As a builder, every part of my body says "GO Conner!" Anywhosle...

It's looking good so far. Do you know what you are going to do for pegs? Are you going to build a pegbox and use violin pegs, or are you going to install guitar tuners? I think option 2 would be awesome.



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EDIT: To scowmoo, the neck is supposed to be that round. It's just how it is on violins.



i'm doing guitar tuners, i have tried to tune a violin before (didnt play it, it was on my friends desk, so i screwed around with it) and didnt feel comfortable with the pegs, so im using some left over gotohs i have lying around.

and yes, everyone ive talked to has also been worried after i told them the "ive never played a violin" part


edit- i got me a bow today (free from friend) and i get to go work on it tomorrow. horray for progress! now, all i need is a bridge and strings, and i'll have a full working violin (minus a few electronic bits)
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#22
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Put fret markers on it.


not to be rude, but hell no.
that really makes no sense, i mean, its fretless.


but if you mean fret line markers, i can imagine that in a future build if i ever make another. im assuming you mean the dots
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#23
Lines like some fretless electric basses have may be cool, would really help you learn more quickly.

And I say you should get some more pine, and add a carved top, like an LP, with a built(carved) in chinrest. That'd be cool.

As for f-holes. paint 'em on, black. I think white would be a nice color. White violins, you don't see often...
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#24
Looks sweet!
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not to be rude, but hell no.
that really makes no sense, i mean, its fretless.


but if you mean fret line markers, i can imagine that in a future build if i ever make another. im assuming you mean the dots

all fretless basses come with the dots...

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good build!!!



im referring to dots on the top, ive seen ****loads of fretless basses that just have lines (or nothing at all for that matter) on top, i assume you're referring to side dots?


anyways, about to go work a little more in the shop for a couple hours, maybe try to get that fretboard a little a lot thinner. Then i'll make my final decisions on the body.

i also received some very bad news, a very close acquaintance of mine died this morning in a car accident, feels VERY bad man...
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im referring to dots on the top, ive seen ****loads of fretless basses that just have lines (or nothing at all for that matter) on top, i assume you're referring to side dots?


anyways, about to go work a little more in the shop for a couple hours, maybe try to get that fretboard a little a lot thinner. Then i'll make my final decisions on the body.

i also received some very bad news, a very close acquaintance of mine died this morning in a car accident, feels VERY bad man...

ah, yes I am. indeed, the front dots would not look good. some fancy inlaying would be cool though.

something like that?
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#29
Conor, so sorry to hear about your friend.

One option is to have no inlays on the top of the fingerboard, but to have small lines where the frets would be on the side facing you as you play. That gives a clean look, but you can still see where to finger notes.
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Conor, so sorry to hear about your friend.

One option is to have no inlays on the top of the fingerboard, but to have small lines where the frets would be on the side facing you as you play. That gives a clean look, but you can still see where to finger notes.


i really like this idea, i may go ahead and finish it like it is, and then add that afterwards, im thinking about really saving all the "fancy" things for my next build (which ive already started making a notebook of do's and dont's for it)

edit- humanity: i may save the extreme inlays for when i have some real ebony, this walnut is too dry for me to even consider routing it
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#31
awwww.

ok.

I like that idea too cedric.
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i'm doing guitar tuners, i have tried to tune a violin before (didnt play it, it was on my friends desk, so i screwed around with it) and didnt feel comfortable with the pegs, so im using some left over gotohs i have lying around.

Yeah tuning a violin is a pain in the ass if you're not experienced. Violas and cellos are even worse. Gotohs should be nice. I'm definitely sticking around until this is completed.
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One option is to have no inlays on the top of the fingerboard, but to have small lines where the frets would be on the side facing you as you play. That gives a clean look, but you can still see where to finger notes.



Uh... how exactly do you intend to hold this then? Because unless you're doing some weird positioning you're not going to have a good view of either side of the fingerboard... you would be looking straight at it, as in when you look at the violin on your shoulder the neck is pointing straight at you. The way some people learn is they have stickers on the part where they should put their fingers (like removable fret lines), and once they're good enough they take it off.
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#34
alright guys, progress time!


fretboard- still working on getting that fretboard thinner, this is going to take a while. not much else done really.





tailpiece- still working on that, using a matching piece of walnut as the fretboard, looks smexy in person. i assume i dont need fine tuners since im using the gotohs right?




body- i doubled up the pine on the body (not enough walnut, sorry guys). im still working off the rough edges, i got the bright idea to use the table mounted router for it, needless to say, it ripped out a knot-hole i didnt even know was there, it left a opening about and inch deep and wide. i tried to fill it, if that dont work, im cutting it off.




neck- a good bit was done to the neck, i smoothed out the top part for the fretboard, so now it feels like glass. i smoothed out the top of the headstock, its almost done, the bottom is still fairly rough.







i also started shaping out the belly of the neck, it looks blocky, but feels quite round, still needs evening up.


i also know im going to paint the body now, im thinking white, suggestions?


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#36
Ok, I've been playing violin for quite a bit, and I can definitely say that that neck radius is MUCH too small. The fretboard needs to be a lot flatter so that you can still play the thing. In general, going off what I've seen, the neck is enormous. From the pictures, everything in general just looks a bit oversized as well, but that just could be perspective issues.

But other than those nitpicks, this thing is gonna rock
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#37
Make sure you record the very first time you try playing it with a bow (test it first by plucking the strings lol)

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As I said before i would forgo the whole finger marker inlay thing... it looks more professional and it's much easier. you can always use stickers (or paint, then sand that off) until you get the hang of it.

Do you actually have violin fingerboard and neck measurements to work off of? You should probably try to get that down, for playability's sake.
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#38
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Ok, I've been playing violin for quite a bit, and I can definitely say that that neck radius is MUCH too small. will work on that, im going to go check out a few violins tomorrow to compare


The fretboard needs to be a lot flatter so that you can still play the thing. look at above answer


In general, going off what I've seen, the neck is enormous. im aware of that, i did that purposefully because i knew it was pine and i was afraid of getting "sander happy" and getting rid of too much.

From the pictures, everything in general just looks a bit oversized as well, but that just could be perspective issues. the body is off of a template for a full scale strad, and i checked the measurements, it's right. the fretboard may be a little too long, but i gave it about a half inch extra to be safe with my radius. i know the tailpiece is a little big, getting some measurements tomorrow.

But other than those nitpicks, this thing is gonna rock thank ya, thank ya vary much



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#39
well if you doubled it up with pine i would say plane it down a little and hollow it out with a router (maybe just semi hollow) and then find some walnut, or some really nice spar wood lying around to do a to with F-Holes (i am really pushing for those >.< or some wicked design holes like custom F-holes you know, for example the Dave Grohl Custom diamond holes, or the dagger holes from the B.C. rich Dagger. just some ideas though if you like them cool, im really into this i how it works
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well if you doubled it up with pine i would say plane it down a little and hollow it out with a router (maybe just semi hollow) and then find some walnut, or some really nice spar wood lying around to do a to with F-Holes (i am really pushing for those >.< or some wicked design holes like custom F-holes you know, for example the Dave Grohl Custom diamond holes, or the dagger holes from the B.C. rich Dagger. just some ideas though if you like them cool, im really into this i how it works



i dont have anything to use for a top (besides something like plywood ), and i dont really want to buy anything else besides strings, and maybe a bridge.

i may paint something on, i dont know if im going to do a semi accoustic. not that i wouldnt on my second build though! i really want to keep this pretty simple so i wont **** it up and give up, if it turns out well enough, damn right i'll build another, and it will be ****ing crazy too.

edit- i'll probably be routing the electronics cavity pretty big, but not semi accoustic big.
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