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I don't know if this thread has already been made but i would like to know what's the darkest scale you know for a solo. I've been making a metal song with a very dark melody.

So i would be thankful if you could avoid pointing random scales or modes.
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I quite like Harmonic minor for darker sounding leads
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I've been making a metal song with a very dark melody.


well how about you use the same scale composed the melody with....seeing that its so dark.
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Use the same scale you used for the melody.
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well how about you use the same scale composed the melody with....seeing that its so dark.


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#12
phrygian dominant might work but you should study atonal stuff if you're playing metal. You have to go outside of the scale.
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phrygian dominant might work but you should study atonal stuff if you're playing metal. You have to go outside of the scale.


Atonal metal? No way.
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@ everyone who said anything with the word "phrygian" or "locrian" or anything modal at all: NO. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS

TS: What did you use for the rest of the song? Sound like that would be a solid place to start. In all probability, I'd say you're probably using natural minor with a lot of chromatics and b5's. In fact, I'd be willing to bet on it.
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phrygian dominant might work but you should study atonal stuff if you're playing metal. You have to go outside of the scale.


There is very little in the way of atonal metal. Better off studying the use of chromatics and neighboring tones.
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Natural minor is good enough, and other scales are more "context" based for their flavours.

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Double Harmonic, maybe? It's darker than Phrygian Dominant.
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@ everyone who said anything with the word "phrygian" or "locrian" or anything modal at all: NO. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS


I'm getting tired of you people who always whine about modes. What if TS has as a two chord vamp like (i - II)? What if he hasn't? That's not relevant. He asked about a dark scale and phrygian is one, IF you play it correctly as a mode over a modal progression.
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I'm getting tired of you people who always whine about modes. What if TS has as a two chord vamp like (i - II)? What if he hasn't? That's not relevant. He asked about a dark scale and phrygian is one, IF you play it correctly as a mode over a modal progression.


If he's asking the question about what scales to use, there is almost no chance that TS knows how to use modes properly. If he WAS using a modal vamp, he would have already known what he was doing and wouldn't have asked the question in the first place.
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If he's asking the question about what scales to use, there is almost no chance that TS knows how to use modes properly. If he WAS using a modal vamp, he would have already known what he was doing and wouldn't have asked the question in the first place.


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#23
Well it depends on the melody you have already, I mean you cant put anything over anything.
But generally, D minor is really sad, and chromatic, well chromatic is everything really, but ascending, it can sound kinda dangerous.

Put you need to know what you already have, you know.
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I don't know if this thread has already been made but i would like to know what's the darkest scale you know for a solo. I've been making a metal song with a very dark melody.

So i would be thankful if you could avoid pointing random scales or modes.


What scale did you use for your "very dark melody"?

Maybe you could try that one?
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#25
The one without light.

But really, it's about note choice and phrasing. No scale is inherently dark, you must make it sound that way. But it would probably be best to use the scale you're using as your "main" for soloing over it... just well-placed out of key notes and you'll do good.
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Mixolydian #1

and if that's not dark enough, do what i do and add chromatics.
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#28
i will problably look like a fool but what i know about theory is peanuts. I only know pentatonics and several chords construction.

I was just fooling around wih the guitar and the melody just came out and i don't have he knowledge to associate it to any scale. However, after someone said the harmonic minor, i studied it a bit and i can say that hte melody MAY be in harmonic minor.

Even though thanks to all of you guys.
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I don't know if this thread has already been made but i would like to know what's the darkest scale you know for a solo. I've been making a metal song with a very dark melody.

So i would be thankful if you could avoid pointing random scales or modes.


I don't mean to be offensive, but your question demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding about musical composition. You can't haphazardly pick a scale, play notes from it and sound amazing, it doesn't work that way.

My suggestion would be to identify the key your song is in, based on the chords and notes you are playing. If you can, record yourself playing the riff or progression that will run in the background, and improvise over it using the key scale. You will soon hear the notes that sound dark when played against the correct chords.
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#32
I find the Hungarian minor scale disturbing dark. It's basically harmonic minor but with an added flatted fifth. Yea.
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@ everyone who said anything with the word "phrygian" or "locrian" or anything modal at all: NO. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS..[ ]....
In reality, "Phrygian Dominant" isn't a mode at all. It's a scale. It's the same notes as "Phrygian mode", but it has a major 3rd.

The simple act of playing a modal scale doesn't cause modal music, agreed. But the way it's harmonized can give the impression of modality.

In the case of Phrygian dominant, it's often used with the "Andalusian Cadence", which is simply a harmonic minor chord progression, played "backwards". That has more of a gypsy feel to it, rather than being "ominous and foreboding", which is what I associate with being, "dark".

In any case, scales which contain a 3 semitone jump, as does Phrygian dominant, could also, or more appropriately called "exotic". This includes the Byzantine scale, the double harmonic scale, and a couple of others. Some of these are "AKA" duplicates of the Phrygian Dominant scale.

It's the minor 2nd of Phrygian that creates the darkness. This can also be true of the harmonic minor scale, and how you work the 1/2 tone intervals into the melody. The Rolling Stone's, "Paint it Black", is just a harmonic minor scale, played over i, V7. (the verses in their entirety.

Now let me tell you what I'm tired of. I'm tired of being condescended to by people who type in all capital letters, before realizing that they're wrong about what they're screaming about.

As far as, "I want the darkest scale possible", as a topic. It genuinely doesn't work that way. Assuming you detune certain notes and play odd intervals, to me, that would possibly qualify as "the most annoying scale possible", but not necessarily "the darkest. IMHO, you need chords to help you toward that end.

In any case, give a listen to Ginastera's "Toccata", on Emerson, Lake, & Palmer's, "Braid Salad Surgery". Then get back to me on whether you think that's, dark, annoying, just plain stupid, or D, all of the foregoing.
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^That's a pretty significant necrobump right there. Oh well- I'm sure others are going to check this out anyway.

Ambiguity makes a lot of things sound dark- combining parts of different scales can give you a really creepy, suspenseful sort of feel. Try to write things that don't resolve to the tonic, and take advantage of intervals which avoid a major/minor feel.
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^That's a pretty significant necrobump right there. Oh well- I'm sure others are going to check this out anyway.

Ambiguity makes a lot of things sound dark- combining parts of different scales can give you a really creepy, suspenseful sort of feel. Try to write things that don't resolve to the tonic, and take advantage of intervals which avoid a major/minor feel.
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Just by looking at the title I was pretty sure this was going to be a necro and have a bunch of answers like "locrian".

A scale doesn't make a dark sound. It's about how you use it. Also, "dark" is way too vague. What does it mean? What songs do people consider dark? Black metal is dark. Same can be said about some pop songs. I think King Crimson's Epitaph is kind of a dark song.

But whatever, necro is a necro.
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#39
Super necro, will probably close unless OP miraculously shows up.

Scales aren't inherently dark. They are only darker in comparison to other scales.

More importantly, "darkness" is largely determined by the harmony the scale is imposed over.

My point being without a harmony or melody to look at we are just arbitrarily throwing out scales that may not even be relevant or applicable to the situation.

Also pay no attention to the mode argument on the first page.
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The darkest scales are the ones played with the lights turned out.
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