#1
Hey everyone,

So I've been able to play pinch harmonics for about 5 years now so I know how to do them. But for some reason whenever I play my guitar thru my marshall TSL can't get them. But I have no problems getting them on my small digital multi effect pedal run into my practice amp. I have no idea why I can't get them when playing thru my marshall, I try to get them everywhere but I can never get that mad squealing sound. The best I can seem to get is like a semi-harmonic. Not that proper harmonic sound... if that makes sense.

Could this be a set-up problem? Should I raise the pickups a bit for higher output? I'm not really sure what part of the guitar adjusts the harmonics, so I'm just guessing here.

Any help is appreciated!
Thanks!
#3
No its just harder thru some amps because the distortion is different. It just doesnt work as well on some
#4
I actually noticed the same problem with a DSL 401. When you try, does your harmonic sound almost muffled?
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#5
Quote by xMetalCoreKingx
You probably suck at pinch harmonics


Shutup...


It's just because of the different type of distortion.

Play your pedal through the Marshall and you should be able to get it.
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#6
what kind of multieffects pedal is it?
IF its an RP50 or similar, I use rectifier distortion, treble set at 8 and my bridge pickup.

Of course, I'm lucky enough to have a dime-o-tone which makes my high end scorch.
#7
No. A pinch harmonic is still a pinch harmonic if you're not even plugged into an amp. Therefore you should be able to perform it as well on an ENGL invader as you can on a Fender Blues JR.'
#8
Some setups will produce them better, but you should be able to get them still. U can even hear them on a acoustic.
#9
you'll probably have to try doing it in a different position on the guitar, for instance closer to the bridge then normal or farther from it.., just keep looking cause it changes with your distortion and settings.. but that being said, you can still get them unplugged so its not a pure distortion thing.
#10
Quote by xMetalCoreKingx
No. A pinch harmonic is still a pinch harmonic if you're not even plugged into an amp. Therefore you should be able to perform it as well on an ENGL invader as you can on a Fender Blues JR.'



A Pinch harmonic is a Pinch Harmonic, but some sounds pick up Pinch/harmonics better then others.
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#11
Try running an overdrive in front of your amp. It should tighten up the saggy lower end and give you better harmonics.
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#12
Hmmm they are all valid points. What really baffles me is that i never used to have any trouble at all when using my tsl. And i often see other guitarists using a tsl or dsl and they have no problems either. Perhaps i just need to practice using my tsl more often. They certainly are much easier on my multi effect pedal!
#13
I know exactly what you are talking about OP. I can crank off ridiculous pinch harmonics through my Digitech GNX4 on the high gain patches, but as soon as I play through my Marshall TSL 100 I lose at least 50% of the harmonic. It is much more difficult for some reason on a Marshall TSL, but still very possible. You really do have to perfect your technique though. I am waiting on a maxon OD808 pedal right now and am hoping that helps out not only tightening the gain, but increasing the harmonics.
#15
Quote by wakytabaki
Must just be the marshall. Guess I'll have to use it more often!


It's not just the Amp, Plug In a nice pedal and you'll get Pinch harmonics sweeter then Lance Armstrong's right testicle...

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#16
Quote by wakytabaki
What really baffles me is that i never used to have any trouble at all when using my tsl.

This just screams "old tubes" to me. Tubes will lose treble, gain, and harmonics when they're reaching the end of their usable life.
#17
^ yeah, if it's something which has just started to happen, you gotta start looking at things which have changed/which are likely to wear out, etc. Tubes probably the first place to look. Strings wouldn't hurt either, but i doubt they'd make a major difference- new strings will be brighter, but it shouldn't be the difference between being able to do a pinch or not...

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No. A pinch harmonic is still a pinch harmonic if you're not even plugged into an amp. Therefore you should be able to perform it as well on an ENGL invader as you can on a Fender Blues JR.'


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#18
The tubes are pretty worn. Probably on their way out. It would explain why I never used to have any trouble getting mad pinch harmonics.

Out of interest, what are the signs of tubes wearing out or blowing entirely?
#19
trouble getting pinch harmonics.

Kidding. I'm not sure, my tubes haven't died on me yet, apparently it should be pretty obvious though as they sound noticeably worse. colin/roc will be able to help you with that, he knows his stuff about tubes.
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#20
Quote by wakytabaki
Hey everyone,

So I've been able to play pinch harmonics for about 5 years now so I know how to do them. But for some reason whenever I play my guitar thru my marshall TSL can't get them. But I have no problems getting them on my small digital multi effect pedal run into my practice amp. I have no idea why I can't get them when playing thru my marshall, I try to get them everywhere but I can never get that mad squealing sound. The best I can seem to get is like a semi-harmonic. Not that proper harmonic sound... if that makes sense.

Could this be a set-up problem? Should I raise the pickups a bit for higher output? I'm not really sure what part of the guitar adjusts the harmonics, so I'm just guessing here.

Any help is appreciated!
Thanks!


Don't raise the pick ups that much that adds bass and that takes aways from the pinch you're wanting. I have my bridge pick up neutral and my neck pick up high.
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#21
Quote by biga29

Shutup...


It's just because of the different type of distortion.

Play your pedal through the Marshall and you should be able to get it.


He's right, you know.

I can play Pinch Harmonics on an acoustic guitar. You can do 'mad squealies' with gain at like 2-3 on any amp. Keep practicing pinch harmonics.
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#22
Quote by V.U.K
He's right, you know.

I can play Pinch Harmonics on an acoustic guitar. You can do 'mad squealies' with gain at like 2-3 on any amp. Keep practicing pinch harmonics.


Oh my God... I know it's possible to do "mad squealies" on an acoustic, but it just doesn't sound as good as with a nice amp/pedals/pickups/ etc... And I don't care how good you think you are, I know what I'm talkin' about. If you don't believe me I'll go record it...

And the dude I told to shut up was being a dick..
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#23
I was actually having the same trouble today. I raised my pickups and it totally fixed my problem. Changed my tone for the beter too. Give that a shot.
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#24
I just raised my pickups and it is heaps easier to get awesome pinch harmonics. I think that solved the problem, although I'm not too sure why... Either way, they're easier now and the guitar sounds heaps better... at least for rock and metal.

thanks everyone!
#25
For the best pinch harmonics, you're going to have to use your bridge pickup and a lot of distortion. I'm not going to try and explain how to do them, because it's extremely difficult to do so. Just experiment. A good tip is to have a very small amount of plectrum hitting the strings, have your fingers close to the end. You should be playing squealies in no time.
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#26
Down tuning helps, if its an option. I get a totally badass pinch harmonic in drop C.
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