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#162
Quote by Leperaffinity01
I scoff at the notion.


Don't just scoff, recommend. I don't know anything about laptops tbh, I hate the things.
#163
Quote by 666_Pounder
Don't just scoff, recommend. I don't know anything about laptops tbh, I hate the things.

I'd much rather just put wheels on my desktop, attach a generator and a monitor to it with a little tray for my keyboard and mouse.
#164
Hmm, i might just place my money into a desktop then, 'cause i don't need a laptop as such as i wanted one for ease.
#165
Alright, so my friend is building a PC for me, and he picked out all the parts. Now, I don't really use my computer for much, other than surfing the net, watching movies and listening to music. I'll buy Starcraft 2 when it comes out and play it religiously, but other than that I am not a gamer at all. The parts for the PC he chose seem godly, but I'm not sure if I need something as awesome as it. Parts:

CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 | Quad Core | 3.2 Ghz | 8MB Cache | - $297.95
Motherboard - Asus M4A78T-E | On-board ATI Radeon HD 3300 GPU | - $157.95
RAM - OCZ 1600 MHZ DD3 | 2x 2 GIG | x2 | Total of 8 Gigs | - $199.90
Soundcard - Creative X-FI Xtreme Audio | 5.1 Surround Sound | - $59.95
Case - Cooler Master CM 960 (Black) - $109.95
Power Supply - OCZ GameXStream 600W - $99.95
Harddrive - Western Digital 1 Terabyte | 32 MB Cache | - $109.95
DVD Burner - LG 22x Dual-Layer DVD with Lightscribe - $34.95
Display - LG 21.5" Widescreen LCD | 16:9 | 1920x1600 Max Resolution - $193.95
Sound System - Logitech X-540 5.1 Surround Sound System - $117.95
Mouse - Logitech MX518 Gaming Mouse - $61.55
Keyboard - Microsoft Comfort Curve - $32.95

Total: $1655.00


This computer will last me a really long time which is important to me, but what do you guys think? Is it too much for me?

He also picked out parts for a more 'budget concise' PC:

http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=6880&cat=1315&page=2
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=13018&cat=1154&page=1
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=11875&cat=523&page=1
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=12594&cat=96&page=1
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=6420&cat=664&page=1
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=5135&cat=348&page=1
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=5995&cat=782&page=1
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=7910&cat=125&page=1
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=12993&cat=1328&page=1
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=5622&cat=814&page=1
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=14879&vpn=931352-0215&manufacture=Logitech
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=12090&cat=362&page=1

total: $1060


Money isn't really an issue with me. Opinions?
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#166
@ACG ^^^


If you have the money, go for an Intel processor, they seem to perform better in benchmarks than their AMD equivalents. Still, you did say you aren't too interested in gaming.

Maybe up the PSU a bit to 700W? Might be overkill but if you ever want to slap another GPU or something in there, then it might be worth investing.
Last edited by LordBishek at Aug 12, 2009,
#167
Forgeting games, what spec prossessor and how much memory (ram not diskspace) will i need/want for generally use (Msn, internet, videos ect.) and recording using a USB interface (so running programs like: audacity, Pod farm, fruity loops ect.). This is for a laptop with Vista.
#169
Quote by duggyrocks
Just wondering if it would be a hassle to switch form 32bit vista to 64 bit as Ive heard its superior.

4gb ram
intel quad core 2.4ghz
nvidia blah blah blah


You have to have a 64 bit OS if you want to use more than 3 gig of RAM
#171
Quote by duggyrocks
Just wondering if it would be a hassle to switch form 32bit vista to 64 bit as Ive heard its superior.

4gb ram
intel quad core 2.4ghz
nvidia blah blah blah


You have to completely re-install the OS, there's no upgrading from 32 to 64 afaik. Make sure you have all your program disks and backups of all media you don't want to lose.
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#172
Quote by cokronk
You have to completely re-install the OS, there's no upgrading from 32 to 64 afaik. Make sure you have all your program disks and backups of all media you don't want to lose.


Sounds like a pain in the ass, might just not bother tbh
#173
Quote by Zakk_Lp
Forgeting games, what spec prossessor and how much memory (ram not diskspace) will i need/want for generally use (Msn, internet, videos ect.) and recording using a USB interface (so running programs like: audacity, Pod farm, fruity loops ect.). This is for a laptop with Vista.


The fastest available Intel c2d that you want to spend money on and 4gb of RAM. Memory is important if you're doing recordings with lots of tracks. I had some songs I recorded with upwards of 40 tracks due to stacking vocals, guitars, multiple parts with clocking in and out. Memory came in handy for that.
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#174
Quote by duggyrocks
Sounds like a pain in the ass, might just not bother tbh


It depends, the only things on my computers are programs & games. Files like photos, music, etc... are on a server, so there's not a lot for me to reinstall if I ever have to do that.
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#176
No 3GB, big no no, lol.

The second one is alright, Turion's aren't too bad. Better than the Celerons lol. Got some decent specs for the price

@duggyrocks

lol it's not a pain in the ass to reformat :P Especially with Vista, it's all super user friendly now. I remember back in the day reformatting Windows 95 and 98 computers, now there's a pain in the ass. Damn DOS.

I always suggest splitting your HDD into two partitions during the format process. I have a 250GB, I split it so I have a 50GB "Backup Drive" where I put all my music, photos, etc. Then when you have to reformat, you only have to reformat the partition that isn't the backup drive and you'll have all your stuff when you reinstall a fresh copy of Windows.

You can do that in Windows with Partition Magic, but it's safer to do it when you are installing Windows.
#178
Yeah, looks good. Although I'd find out about an upgrade to Windows 7 if they do it, and if not, try waiting until it comes out (October, I think)
#179
Well if i got it and had it all setup now could i easily upgrade in october?

And does vista still have all the problems we used to hear about?
#180
Vista has problems if you don't know what you're doing with it. I never experience problems with Vista but I'm a lot more comfortable with it and with tweaking things until they're running just the way I like. I'm not pretending Windows 7 is the best OS ever, but it appears to manage these quirks a lot more easily and smoothly than Vista. Since it's coming out in October, find out if the Laptop is eligible for a free upgrade to Windows 7 after the release date. Ring em up and someone should be able to tell you.
#181
Quote by LordBishek
Yeah, looks good. Although I'd find out about an upgrade to Windows 7 if they do it, and if not, try waiting until it comes out (October, I think)


10/22/09
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#182
I believe all copies of Windows Vista are going to be coming with an upgrade coupon to Windows 7.

The only problem I have faced with Vista is in Ultimate 64 bit. It doesn't like certain printers and wireless cards. It also doesn't like when you are first installing it, to have your front panel audio/USB jack plugged in (don't ask me, I don't know why, but this has happened on 4 different computers).

Vista is pretty bloated, but runs better than it did when it came out.

I'm sticking with XP 64-bit until Windows7 comes out. I said **** Vista when it came out, and I still say **** Vista. The only reason back then to upgrade to that POS was for DirectX10 lol, in which only Crysis and Call of Juarez at the time supported it
Last edited by Illiad86 at Aug 12, 2009,
#183
Quote by ACG
Alright, so my friend is building a PC for me, and he picked out all the parts. Now, I don't really use my computer for much, other than surfing the net, watching movies and listening to music. I'll buy Starcraft 2 when it comes out and play it religiously, but other than that I am not a gamer at all. The parts for the PC he chose seem godly, but I'm not sure if I need something as awesome as it. Parts:

CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 | Quad Core | 3.2 Ghz | 8MB Cache | - $297.95
Motherboard - Asus M4A78T-E | On-board ATI Radeon HD 3300 GPU | - $157.95
RAM - OCZ 1600 MHZ DD3 | 2x 2 GIG | x2 | Total of 8 Gigs | - $199.90
Soundcard - Creative X-FI Xtreme Audio | 5.1 Surround Sound | - $59.95
Case - Cooler Master CM 960 (Black) - $109.95
Power Supply - OCZ GameXStream 600W - $99.95
Harddrive - Western Digital 1 Terabyte | 32 MB Cache | - $109.95
DVD Burner - LG 22x Dual-Layer DVD with Lightscribe - $34.95
Display - LG 21.5" Widescreen LCD | 16:9 | 1920x1600 Max Resolution - $193.95
Sound System - Logitech X-540 5.1 Surround Sound System - $117.95
Mouse - Logitech MX518 Gaming Mouse - $61.55
Keyboard - Microsoft Comfort Curve - $32.95

Total: $1655.00


This computer will last me a really long time which is important to me, but what do you guys think? Is it too much for me?

He also picked out parts for a more 'budget concise' PC:

http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=6880&cat=1315&page=2
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=13018&cat=1154&page=1
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=11875&cat=523&page=1
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=12594&cat=96&page=1
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=6420&cat=664&page=1
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=5135&cat=348&page=1
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=5995&cat=782&page=1
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=7910&cat=125&page=1
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=12993&cat=1328&page=1
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=5622&cat=814&page=1
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=14879&vpn=931352-0215&manufacture=Logitech
http://www.cbit.ca/product.php?productid=12090&cat=362&page=1

total: $1060


Money isn't really an issue with me. Opinions?
you don't need a quad-core processor. an intel core 2 duo will actually perform better than the AMD phenom based on recent benchmarks, and i think it might also be cheaper. also, you would want to go with a smaller hard drive. no one fills their hard drives past 150GB unless they have multiple operating system partitions or they have a **** ton of music. even if you have that much music, you should keep it in an external hard drive. go with a 500GB HDD or 640GB. you also may not need a dedicated sound card, since most motherboards already come with a decent on-board sound chipsets. plus, i'm not sure why you're not getting a dedicated GPU and your spending $1600. the on-board graphics on the motherboard are decent, but it may not suffice when newer games come out, and if you want a better performance on star craft, a better GPU would give you a higher advantage. just get the 4GB DDR3 memory, you don't need 8GB of DDR3, that's a ridiculous amount and you can always upgrade that later.


you can also get a good deal on plenty monitors, just because it's LG doesn't mean you should get it. look at brands such as ASUS, hannspree, acer, or dell. plus, you may able to find that specific monitor for a little less.

and try to get a dedicated graphics card.
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#184
Quote by paintITblack39
you don't need a quad-core processor. an intel core 2 duo will actually perform better than the AMD phenom based on recent benchmarks, and i think it might also be cheaper. also, you would want to go with a smaller hard drive. no one fills their hard drives past 150GB unless they have multiple operating system partitions or they have a **** ton of music. even if you have that much music, you should keep it in an external hard drive. go with a 500GB HDD or 640GB. you also may not need a dedicated sound card, since most motherboards already come with a decent on-board sound chipsets. plus, i'm not sure why you're not getting a dedicated GPU and your spending $1600. the on-board graphics on the motherboard are decent, but it may not suffice when newer games come out, and if you want a better performance on star craft, a better GPU would give you a higher advantage. just get the 4GB DDR3 memory, you don't need 8GB of DDR3, that's a ridiculous amount and you can always upgrade that later.


you can also get a good deal on plenty monitors, just because it's LG doesn't mean you should get it. look at brands such as ASUS, hannspree, acer, or dell. plus, you may able to find that specific monitor for a little less.

and try to get a dedicated graphics card.


Thank you sir

Man, how does one go about learning all this stuff about computers? Just read a lot about everything?
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#185
I'll be starting to look for parts for a desktop build too. Apparently, I need to run it by you guys first.

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#187
Quote by ACG
Thank you sir

Man, how does one go about learning all this stuff about computers? Just read a lot about everything?


Yeah, just gather experience. You just acquire the knowledge by osmosis and just keeping up with the news on the industry.
#188
Quote by slashnmash
Is £90 for a used q6600 and used 2gb ballistix ram good?

processor chips are very delicate so you must make sure that if it doesn't work, there's some kind of refund available. don't buy it if you don't trust that person/seller.
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#189
To ACG:

CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 | Quad Core | 3.2 Ghz | 8MB Cache | - $297.95 good, and go with a quad core if you don't want upgrade soon. I know you said your not a gamer but there are already games in the works that will be optimized for a quad core cpu. Better be safe than sorry.

Motherboard - Asus M4A78T-E | On-board ATI Radeon HD 3300 GPU | - $157.95 why get the onboard? that GPU sucks. Save on the soundcard, mouse and keyboard and get yourself a good GPU.

RAM - OCZ 1600 MHZ DD3 | 2x 2 GIG | x2 | Total of 8 Gigs | - $199.90 i guess thats good for a 64 bit OS.

Soundcard - Creative X-FI Xtreme Audio | 5.1 Surround Sound | - $59.95 why? the Motherboard has one probably.

Case - Cooler Master CM 960 (Black) - $109.95 probably could find something cheaper but this is good nevertheless.

Power Supply - OCZ GameXStream 600W - $99.95 Ok.

Harddrive - Western Digital 1 Terabyte | 32 MB Cache | - $109.95 if you really need that much go for it

DVD Burner - LG 22x Dual-Layer DVD with Lightscribe - $34.95

Display - LG 21.5" Widescreen LCD | 16:9 | 1920x1600 Max Resolution - $193.95

Sound System - Logitech X-540 5.1 Surround Sound System - $117.95 if you really think you need it, or you can hold off on this for now, save some money, and buy your self some $9 speakers

Mouse - Logitech MX518 Gaming Mouse - $61.55 nice, but stupid to buy when you can get something for like 10 bucks which would serve the same function.

Keyboard - Microsoft Comfort Curve - $32.95 same as mouse, flashy but way overpriced.

Total: $1655.00 could be way less if you hold off the accessories that aren't really required.

For the GPU. if you go with an ATI due to the motherboard i recommend the HD4850 that you can get for like $100.It will last you a while and you wont have to spend top dollar.
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Last edited by DZCunuck at Aug 12, 2009,
#190
Quote by paintITblack39
you don't need a quad-core processor. an intel core 2 duo will actually perform better than the AMD phenom based on recent benchmarks, and i think it might also be cheaper.


Even then, the c2d's run just as well as the i7's with most programs, especially those not optimized for multiple cores.

Nvidia 275 GTX is a decent GPU without spending a **** ton. ATI has the 4870 which is better, but I hear it's loud and hot compared to the Nvidia cards. No personal experience. Or go all out and spend $500 on a 295 GTX.

A pretty good deal right now is the WD Velociraptor 150gb 10K RPM drive. $150.

Also, if you're doing anything besides gaming and you have important files, learn about backups. Putting them on an HDD is not backing it up.
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#192
All GPUs get hot. The Radeon 4870 is equivalent to the GTX 260 not the 275 which is equivalent to the 4890. Each pair will have similar performance with Nvidias doing better in some games and Radeons doing better in others. Radeons are however cheaper by $20 or so.
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#193
Nvidia cards process AA better from what I've seen. My old 7950GT does AA better than my boyfriend's 3870. I only lose 5FPS compared to the bf's 15FPS in certain games.

@ slashnmash

not a bad price, but yes, processors are very very delicate. As for the RAM, I bought a 2GB kit of Ballistix a few years ago. One of the sticks were bad....and that's pretty rare to get bad RAM. I sent them back to newegg and got a replacement, and those were also bad....(failed memtest, failed everest memory test, failed orthos, crashed, etc.) So, yeah, I don't trust Crucial RAM at all anymore. You'd figure...I'm getting Crucial Ballistix, not just regular cheap Crucial RAM with no heat spreaders....

I purchase Gskill RAM now, never had a problem with the 6 different sets of 4GB that I have bought over the last 2 years. I build AMD systems for my family.
#194
@DZCunuck

Awesome advice, thank you.

I think I'm gonna stick with the onboard GPU for now and upgrade later because I don't really need great graphics at the moment. And I decided to buy a $15 mouse and a cheap keyboard as well I definitely don't need a terabyte of space so I downgraded that too. I'm probably gonna go with the quad core, yea because like you said I might want to play a really awesome game in a few years.

As for the soundcard, I'm not sure really. I want a really nice sounding system because I like listening to high-quality music. I'll think about it...

thanks again.
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#195
I heard this is the place to go to get advice on Computer shizzz


Okay. So, I want a new laptop with a ****load of memory and battery life. By ****load I mean, able to hold 47+ gig of music as well as Auto-Cad plus hold enough documents for a year's worth of (college level freshman) school work. By ****load of battery life I mean I need an upgrade from my current PC. It only gets like an hour and a half out of the battery. If possible I want 3+ hours.
Budget: Up to a thousand (willing to strech to 1500)
Mac or PC is fine by me!


Thanks!
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#196
^With a budget of $1000, you won't be getting a Mac, unless the low-end MacBook does it for you. The specs you're looking for don't seem that uncommon, on second read, so maybe.

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#197
Quote by ACG
@DZCunuck

Awesome advice, thank you.

I think I'm gonna stick with the onboard GPU for now and upgrade later because I don't really need great graphics at the moment. And I decided to buy a $15 mouse and a cheap keyboard as well I definitely don't need a terabyte of space so I downgraded that too. I'm probably gonna go with the quad core, yea because like you said I might want to play a really awesome game in a few years.

As for the soundcard, I'm not sure really. I want a really nice sounding system because I like listening to high-quality music. I'll think about it...

thanks again.

do not get the amd phenom. if you are going to play an awesome game, a better graphics card would be more important. a core 2 duo would do MUCH better for basic tasks AND gaming. if you still want the quad core, get the core 2 quad processor. amd's current processors are a pile of crap right now.
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I heard this is the place to go to get advice on Computer shizzz


Okay. So, I want a new laptop with a ****load of memory and battery life. By ****load I mean, able to hold 47+ gig of music as well as Auto-Cad plus hold enough documents for a year's worth of (college level freshman) school work. By ****load of battery life I mean I need an upgrade from my current PC. It only gets like an hour and a half out of the battery. If possible I want 3+ hours.
Budget: Up to a thousand (willing to strech to 1500)
Mac or PC is fine by me!


Thanks!

you can get the white macbook which is rated for 5 hours and it includes an nvidia geforce 9400m which is a good graphics card.

as for a PC: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9358063&st=dell+studio+14z&lp=3&type=product&cp=1&id=1218090589096
this laptop is really good for its price. the only issue with it is that it heats up frequently due to a design flaw (the air vents on it are just behind the laptop's display making them covered up). the battery is also lithium-ion as opposed to lithium-polymer which has a better overall life. lithium-ion's maximum battery capacity decrease with time and usage. the same thing goes with lithium-polymer, but it has a longer usable life.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9358009&type=product&id=1218090589869 this is another good one. it has a much better battery life and a good GPU for your auto-cad. the only downgrade from this is that it has 3GB of DDR3 compared to the previous dell with 4GB of DDR3. the studio xps also holds intel's centrino 2 technology, which just means you're getting a much faster processor.

the upside of the mac is that you're given OS X which has much more user friendliness. also, laptop magazine rated dell (along with hp and acer) to have the worst customer service, and they rated apple to be among the best. but if you do get a mac, fork out the extra hundred (you're at $1100, now) and get the aluminum macbook pro. it's aluminum body has better heat dissipation, as well as DDR3 memory. plus, you're given a much faster processor, as well.

(the extra $1100 price is considered with the student discount. the laptop is actually retailing at $1200)
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#198
Quote by cokronk
ATI has the 4870 which is better, but I hear it's loud and hot compared to the Nvidia cards.


Quote by paintITblack39
the 4870 is pretty good. it isn't loud but it does get hot.


This is both true and not true. As stock the 4870 does run quite hot (even for a GPU) but that's purely because the fans speeds and timings are badly set, if you take a few moments to set up a decent BIOS and flash it to your card it runs at a perfectly good temparature, I think mine runs at about 60-65 degrees in my room (idling) and my room isn't exactly well ventilated or cooled, in a better room it runs about 5-10 degrees cooler than here.

The thing is that if you change the fan timings and speeds it does get a fair bit louder and, while it's by no means quiet, it's really not that bad; it's unintrusive even at awkward times like 3 in the morning when I have to be quiet for the benefit of everyone else who lives here.
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#199
the only issue i have with the 4870 is the drivers created for the card. they're horrible.
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#200
Quote by paintITblack39
the only issue i have with the 4870 is the drivers created for the card. they're horrible.


In what way? I haven't had any problems with mine that I know of...
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