#1
No, this thread is not about me being suicidal.
It's about tone

What's the point of shelling out $3,000 for a Fender Custom Shop Guitar, new pickups, a Vintage Fender Twin Reverb, and a top-of-the-line Mogami cable, when the audience probably wouldn't tell the difference between that and a Squier with a Line 6 amp.

I mean, the only people who really notice the differences in an instrument's tone are the people who actually play that instrument.

The above example may be a bit of an exaggeration, but really, if you played a Squier on stage versus an American Fender, is anyone really going to tell the difference (well, you will, and so will other guitarists, but I mean people who don't play guitar)

So why even buy nice guitars, pedals, and amps if you're the only one who notices the difference?
#2
I wanna say something witty and cool,but i can't so ill just say Nah brah you be out on deep water...
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#3
I can hear the difference in instruments even if I'm not playing them
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I can hear the difference in instruments even if I'm not playing them


You can, but the average guy who doesn't play guitar can't ie most of one's audience
#5
The difference between perceiving the different sounds is different from the guitarist to the player. The player will actively notice the tonal quality between the two setups, however, the listener will subconsciously notice the difference.

It may not mean much to them at the spot, but after a while, when they remember it, (when they recall the show) they'll "feel" the smoothness of the tone/playing, rather than just the cleanness of the notes and the actual show.

They're the small things that amplify an impression of the player from the listener's point of view, and it's a good idea to have good equipment to make those small things work on your side.
#6
maybe because the musician wants to hear himself/herself sound good? just a thought

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#7
Playability. It's easier to play an Ibanez JEM than a Wal-Mart first act.
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#9
Yeah, you're right. 80% of the tone is the amp, 15% is the pickups.

The guitar's the most expensive 5% ever.
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The difference between perceiving the different sounds is different from the guitarist to the player. The player will actively notice the tonal quality between the two setups, however, the listener will subconsciously notice the difference.

It may not mean much to them at the spot, but after a while, when they remember it, (when they recall the show) they'll "feel" the smoothness of the tone/playing, rather than just the cleanness of the notes and the actual show.

They're the small things that amplify an impression of the player from the listener's point of view, and it's a good idea to have good equipment to make those small things work on your side.


FaisalTMusic wins the thread.
#11
The audience might not be able to say "Oh man that's x guitar with y pickups running through a z amp with the mids scooped" but they'd probably be able to tell the difference between an obnoxious tone and a nice one.
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#12
Let me ask you, do you write songs that sound good to you (something you're passionate about, inspires you, lets you speak to the world through the meduim of music), or do you write songs that will be widely popular, but mean nothing to you?


....exactly.
#13
well if your guitar sounds like **** you'll be less motivated to play good and so the audience will notice
#14
It's the player who feels and hears the difference, I would always go for a twin reverb and CS strat over some crappy cheap gear, because the playability and tone will be much much better
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#15
The difference is that if you play a Squier through a Line6, you'll get less sex than the drummer.
#16
I played my $100 amp and my $200 amp one at a time to my family when I got it, and they all noticed that the $200 amp sounds a hell of a lot better than the $100. So yes, the audience will probably notice if you sound like **** or not.
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Yeah, you're right. 80% of the tone is the amp, 15% is the pickups.

The guitar's the most expensive 5% ever.


Bollocks is it, my custom Warwick has a growl you just can't get from amps or pickups. It's all that endangered wood

TS, I don't care if the audience can't tell, but I can. When I play on stage, I play for myself- if anyone else enjoys it, then that's great, it's a bonus. I want to sound as best as possible to myself as I can. Doesn't always mean I need expensive gear, but sometimes it does.
#18
looks to me like the horror cant afford some gear he wants and is trying to reassure himself that his audience will like the crushing overdrive on his mg
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#19
Its kind of true, If you had a really cool paint job squire or a sunburst les paul, most people would think the squire was cooler. And it would have a cheap whammy to boot. It is a rather subtle thing, and having great tone is subliminal to the listener and effects how they respond to your playing more than you may think.
#21
They might not be able to hear the difference, but not many people can at outrageous decibel levels. Its more important for recording though, but I see your point. People may not be able to say yeah, he's scooped his mids, but they don't just hear the same distorted tone for everyone, they can sort of tell.


Also, this is why I think that feel and technique are important, as these can be FELT by anyone.
#22
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Yeah, you're right. 80% of the tone is the amp, 15% is the pickups.

The guitar's the most expensive 5% ever.


Sorry but my two guitars sound completly different through the same settings on my amp.
#23
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It's mainly for the artist themselves. Guitarists can be really serious about their tone and won't be comfortable until they get it perfect.

Many are inspired by their tone.



I'm no expert but I totally agree with that
#24
well why not just play the instrument you want to play, instead of worrying what people will think of your guitar
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#25
amp is much more important than guitar for tonal qualities. if you play a fender deluxe strat through a line 6 it will sound worse than a squier through a quality amp.
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#26
Other non-musicians CAN tell the difference usually...

And yeah it's playability and do you really want to lhave to listen to the ****ty tone while you're playing? That would drive me crazy.
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#27
You play music for yourself, not others and it's more enjoyable when your gear doesn't sound like an alley cat orgy
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#28
Course they can tell the difference. They just aren't able to express it, but the ear knows the difference. There are also other things involved here: a quality instrument is more playable, stays in tune better, and is overall more reliable.
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on a slightly cooler not, 'The Horror!' is a great username.

It reminds me of "Heart of Darkness" though, which I hated.

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It reminds me of "Heart of Darkness" though, which I hated.



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