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#1
If this is illegal, I'll close it, or if there is another thread on this already I will close this (just didn't know how to search for this). I was wondering, how do you all explain your love for metal to somebody that doesn't listen to it, now, I don't want this to turn into an episode of Hamlet with everyone running around like Ophelia shouting that the world doesn't understand me, and I hate everyone! No, I want to have an actual discussion on how you describe metal to someone that doesn't know what it is; why do you listen to it, what is it that is alluring about a thirty year old sweaty man screaming about Satan Or Santa or fukking garden gnomes.

This stems from my girlfriend and I having a discussion about Ashes Against the Grain and all of my music really, she said that she loved the music for Ashes and most of the music that I listen to, but she thinks screaming/growling, whatever is retarded as I'm sure most of you have experienced. I tried explaining to her, but none of it was getting through, so yeah thoughts on how you describe your listening experiences, why do you like said metal?

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#2
I tell people that everything in life comes as a duality. There is the sun and the moon, the day and the night, good and evil, etc. Similarly in music, the duality comes as beauty and brutality. I tell them that to get the full picture and be completely understanding of everything, one must appreciate both beauty and brutality. Metal in this case is the brutality.
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#3
I couldnt explain to someone of non-metalized blood how my metal brain ov death works. I wouldnt know where to start! However, if they are queasy about the screaming/growling element of metal, I give them recs for heavy metal and the likes.
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#4
It's the pinical of musical dedication and talent. It's music that has substance in it and i can't settle for something less.
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#5
I don't know, really.... I'm never really faced with this question.

Like, if I do listen to something that isn't in the mainstream line of sight, and is heavy and/or metal, I think the most I've ever been asked is, "How do you listen to this?"

And I just say, "I just like it. Why do you listen to the stuff you listen to?"

They usually just say, "I just like it", or the equivalent. I think I might have had to explain it a few times, but it's never some bumbling fool who takes it to that point. The people who ask usually have an interest in knowing why, but the people who couldn't care less just leave it at "I like it."


Man, this thread REALLY got me thinking about how much people don't ask me this, and I think it's weird that more people don't.
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It's the pinical of musical dedication and talent. It's music that has substance in it and i can't settle for something less.



You really think that? Its obviously down to opinion, but In The Sign of Evil and Satanic Rites are hardly the pinnacle of musical dedication and talent!! Also, about substance - not always true. Good old brainless metal is a fucking godsend at times.
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I want to try that while playing the opening riff to "Tempting Time".

0-0-0-13-0-0-0-0-13 or something like that alalalala but It;s so heavy and off time and awesome and you could not f**k anyone to it.


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#7
your not going to find musical dedication like this in **** like pop punk.
The only genere's that have such an enmass of musicians that show dedication is jazz and blues.
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#8
Like with any other music, there isn't one specific reason, and to describe only 1 reason would be giving a half-assed answer.

Some of it is the cathartic qualities, some of it is the adrenaline, some of it is the anger outlet, some of it is because it's just plain fun, some of it is the fact that it just sounds really good, and so on.

If someone would ask me why I like metal, I would say that I have no idea, but I do like it quite a bit.
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#9
When someone says "How do you listen to that stuff?" I say "With my ears."

Or I just tell them that growls are like any other vocal style and it's a different way to acheive atmosphere.
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your not going to find musical dedication like this in **** like pop punk.
The only genere's that have such an enmass of musicians that show dedication is jazz and blues.

Exactly what is your idea of "musical dedication"?
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When someone says "How do you listen to that stuff?" I say "With my ears."

Or I just tell them that growls are like any other vocal style and it's a different way to acheive atmosphere.


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#12
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Exactly what is your idea of "musical dedication"?

People who put the time in to acctually learn to properly play their instraments. People who compose a song and dont just play 4 chords and think it does the job. I just can't stand all this disposable music that comes out these days.
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#13
Its hard to explain to anyone why I like it, or how I listen to it.

I like it because it can cram alot of emotion and atmosphere along with musicianship and technicality into a 4 minute package better than pretty much any other genre of music. The growls or whatever are basically another instrument. I don't care that I "can't understand anything they say" because I hate douchebag lyricists who get up their own ass about how deep they are.
^thats probably sarcasm^

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Death Metal bands are very simple, little to no vocal schemes, just normal, mono-tone, monotonous growling and an assload of breakdowns.
#14
I say it's because I can appreciate the technical ability that the musicians have and yes, it's a preference thing regarding the vocals, but it takes as much skill to growl/scream well as it does to sing well, just a different type of skill.
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People who put the time in to acctually learn to properly play their instraments. People who compose a song and dont just play 4 chords and think it does the job. I just can't stand all this disposable music that comes out these days.


Iron Maiden uses all of 4 chords in most of their songs. Does it make them ghey?
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#16
i tell people that i like listening to angry music, except in really complex ways and often comparing the feeling of the music to the 'incarcerated emotions locked inside pop music' so that they don't know what I'm saying, i don't know what I'm saying and everyone gives up listening.

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#17
People don't really ask that question to me. I try to explain that gutteral vocals are just another style of singing, but they still don't understand. I usually respond a bit like this:

If gutteral vocals aren't singing because you're fav. artists don't use that style, is opera style not singing then.

I tend to dismiss and ignore such people though
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Iron Maiden uses all of 4 chords in most of their songs. Does it make them ghey?

makes them old. music evolves with time.
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#19
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The only genere's that have such an enmass of musicians that show dedication is jazz and blues.

C'mon, don't be a goddamn idiot


As for me, I've never really had to explain why I like metal, just like I've never had to explain why I like any other music genre either
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#20
Yeah, I was trying to explain to her that it's the atmosphere that metal creates, it's this little microcosm that you dwell in and where you can experience everything, metal covers all sides of the emotional spectrum in my opinion. If you want to smash things listen to Death or Thrash, if you want to be in Scandinavian countries listen to Black or folk or listen to them for cathartic purposes as Dead-Fish put it. Metal to me just contains a plethora of raw and visceral emotions that can only conveyed through black metal shrieks and Tardy's RAWRHGHLAYRS! It's really hard to pin point a simple reason as DeadFish put simply because to do that would be to explain why one enjoys sounds which would be virtually impossible, but when describing metal it's just that overwhelming feeling that totally kicks your ass like nothing else can when you put an album like This Godless Endeavor, Focus, or Blood Fire Death, it's just that darker side of the human psyche that it taps into that everyone is interested in, I don't know, I'm rambling, but thanks for at least taking the time to answer.
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#21
maybe i missed a full stop, but that was 3 sentences, to the virtuoso

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#22
Why is it with these threads that people bring up technical ability? Metal does not need technicality to compose good songs, but its good when its done tastefully.
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I want to try that while playing the opening riff to "Tempting Time".

0-0-0-13-0-0-0-0-13 or something like that alalalala but It;s so heavy and off time and awesome and you could not f**k anyone to it.


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#23
I'd also like to add that while I don't listen to metal just for the purpose of non-conformity, it does feel nice tobe a little more unique than the abercrombie douches all around me

EDIT: ^personally I think composition is more important than technicality. So what if your tap sweeping with your tounge, if the song is poorly written it doesnt matter
^thats probably sarcasm^

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#24
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maybe i missed a full stop, but that was 3 sentences, to the virtuoso



Haha, sorry I just like using commas and semi colons a lot; English major, I hate periods.

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Why is it with these threads that people bring up technical ability? Metal does not need technicality to compose good songs, but its good when its done tastefully.


Agreed, I mean I appreciate technicality in music because I play an instrument, but a " four chord" song can be just as moving and important as a 300 chord song that changes tempo every two seconds. Listen to A Celebration for the Death of Man, it's probably no more than six chords all stemming from A Minor I believe, which is the most basic key, but it still kicks ass. Technicality does not equate greatness, just my opinion though.
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Viking fact no. 1: Viking helmets did not have horn.
Viking fact no. 2: Vikings tobogganed on their shields into battle.
Viking fact no. 3: Vikings drank mead.
Viking fact no. 4: One of your ancestors are likely to have been raped by a viking.
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I'd also like to add that while I don't listen to metal just for the purpose of non-conformity, it does feel nice tobe a little more unique than the abercrombie douches all around me



But a concert full of patch jackets and long hair doesnt seem conformist to you?
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I want to try that while playing the opening riff to "Tempting Time".

0-0-0-13-0-0-0-0-13 or something like that alalalala but It;s so heavy and off time and awesome and you could not f**k anyone to it.


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burzum IS nazi. well, varg is.
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Iron Maiden uses all of 4 chords in most of their songs. Does it make them ghey?

Bruce dickinson.
#27
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makes them old. music evolves with time.


Jesus fucking Christ. Your arguments are more retarded than Down Syndrome itself.
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#28
applejacks: we eat what we like.

I like metal because I can get beautiful atmosphere, adrenaline racing parts, and musical technicality all within one song if I want it.

and I know pop punk bands that re more "musically proficient" than metal bands.
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Why is it with these threads that people bring up technical ability? Metal does not need technicality to compose good songs, but its good when its done tastefully.

Hear hear


I prefer an extremely sloppy Nihilist tune over a Necrophagist song anyday
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#30
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But a concert full of patch jackets and long hair doesnt seem conformist to you?

It might if I had longer hair and a patch jacket (or if anyone in my local metal scene did...)

The non-conformist thing is really just because it pains me to see white kids bumping soulja boy in their bmws thinking its the coolest **** on the planet
^thats probably sarcasm^

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Death Metal bands are very simple, little to no vocal schemes, just normal, mono-tone, monotonous growling and an assload of breakdowns.
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It might if I had longer hair and a patch jacket

The non-conformist thing is really just because it pains me to see white kids bumping soulja boy in their bmws thinking its the coolest **** on the planet



But its just an image....metal has an image too, whether people want to accept it or not!

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Jesus fucking Christ. Your arguments are more retarded than Down Syndrome itself.


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I want to try that while playing the opening riff to "Tempting Time".

0-0-0-13-0-0-0-0-13 or something like that alalalala but It;s so heavy and off time and awesome and you could not f**k anyone to it.


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Iron Maiden uses all of 4 chords in most of their songs. Does it make them ghey?

They use more then four chords dude...

Also, in terms of the whole growling/screeching, it's becuase it reflects the emotion of the artists when they wrote the song. I think it is used becuase sometimes singing really can't portray the feelings you have inside the way growling/screeching can. There is no way in hell I can listen to Dead by Dawn, I am the Black Wizards or Hammer Smashed Face with clean vocals, it just wouldn't work. It's brutal instrumentation, and the vocals have to go with it. I think that Agalloch make beautiful music, and although I don't mind harsh vocals in their music at all, I think they sound far better with clean vocals becuase there is no need for the harshness in there. The vocals don't really reflect the instrumentation or the emotions being portrayed, but if they were pissed off when they wrote that song then so be it.
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#33
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Hear hear


I prefer an extremely sloppy Nihilist tune over a Necrophagist song anyday



A sloppy Nihilist tune is a millions times more headbangable and "brutal" than a Necrophagist song played perfectly at 200 BPM.

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They use more then four chords dude...

Also, in terms of the whole growling/screeching, it's becuase it reflects the emotion of the music. There is no way in hell I can listen to Dead by Dawn, I am the Black Wizards or Hammer Smashed Face with clean vocals, it just wouldn't work. It's brutal instrumentation, and the vocals have to go with it. I think that Agalloch make beautiful music, and although I don't mind harsh vocals in their music at all, I think they sound far better with clean vocals becuase there is no need for the harshness in there. The vocals don't really reflect the instrumentation.


Yes, I brought up the point that the vocals have to fit the music; I mean drove her to work right now and we were listening to Our Fortress is Burning, and I told her, "Seriously, you can't just go *in whinny scene kid voice* THE GOD OF MAN IS A FAILURE!!!!" You have to scream it with every ounce of passion in your body to truly convey the feeling and meaning of the words. As for Agalloch, sorry but I think that the screaming suits their music most of the time, that isn't to say that I don't absolutely enjoy when Haughm sings, but I think the screaming suits the style.
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Viking fact no. 1: Viking helmets did not have horn.
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#34
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People who put the time in to acctually learn to properly play their instraments. People who compose a song and dont just play 4 chords and think it does the job. I just can't stand all this disposable music that comes out these days.

This is music. There isn't right or wrong here. You can't play the guitar wrong, you can't learn how to "properly" play it.

Also, a huge number of blues artists, whom you put on the same pedestal as metal artists, used no more than 3 chords for not only entire songs, but almost entire careers.
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A sloppy Nihilist tune is a millions times more headbangable and "brutal" than a Necrophagist song played perfectly at 200 BPM.


Is it the "in" thing to bash Necrophagist these days?
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#36
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But its just an image....metal has an image too, whether people want to accept it or not!

then I guess I feel more natural conforming to metals image than the rich white suburban kid image
^thats probably sarcasm^

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Death Metal bands are very simple, little to no vocal schemes, just normal, mono-tone, monotonous growling and an assload of breakdowns.
#37
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Is it the "in" thing to bash Necrophagist these days?

Yes.
Although to be fair, they are well shite...
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#38
It's all about perspectives. I don't really have much of a say whether or not someone will like the music I listen to, but if they do, cool. If they don't like it, and tell me it's retarded. I'll usually just say ok.

If she doesn't get it, she won't get it unless you get her to listen to it. If I could simply explain the feeling of metal to people, I probably wouldn't still be listening to it. It's a deep genre that ranges from killing babies, to making babies, to explaining life itself.

I don't know. You have to listen to it to understand it.

I just like the growling because it sounds wicked and is a good break away from clean vocals.
#39
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Haha, sorry I just like using commas and semi colons a lot; English major, I hate periods.

Lols, me too, though not an English major. gogo math + computer science (aren't I unique? )

Gasp, you misspelled semicolon!


as for this topic.. uhh.. what the others said
#40
Quote by darkstar2466
Is it the "in" thing to bash Necrophagist these days?



Possibly, I don't hate Necrophagist, I actually do enjoy a lot of their music, but in terms of the music itself being heavy, I would rather headbang to some old school DM or Thrash than Necro; they just don't do it for me in that way. Now the solos on the other hand, well, that's a different story.

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Lols, me too, though not an English major. gogo math + computer science (aren't I unique? )

Gasp, you misspelled semicolon!


as for this topic.. uhh.. what the others said


Nice, well, I'm only going to be a Freshman this coming year, so I still have a lot to learn, but I'm possibly looking for a career as an English teacher, like Lord Worm.
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Viking fact no. 1: Viking helmets did not have horn.
Viking fact no. 2: Vikings tobogganed on their shields into battle.
Viking fact no. 3: Vikings drank mead.
Viking fact no. 4: One of your ancestors are likely to have been raped by a viking.
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