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ieatcrayons1
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#1
what is it about some guitars that make them worth 2,000+ dollars.

im sold on it being just because of the name? i know wood type and whether it is hand made is brought into account. but it shouldnt make THAT big of a difference!

i just know ive played starter pack ibanez guitars that play and sound better than $800 dollar fenders.
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#2
Honest answer?

Laws of Supply and Demand.

The more people want them, the more they can charge for them

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Yeah, I've noticed that when they start getting over $1000, they dont get that much better. A lot of it can be cosmetic (paint job, hardware, etc) but personally, the only advantage is that they last just a little bit longer.
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This is why I never consider a guitar over $1000. (and most the times even less). Thats about as good as it gets.
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#8
i just got a les paul ephiphone upgraded from a squire strat and well i have to say it was worth the money u can just feel the diference when you play the tone the greater control i dunnno i dont own a 2k+ guitar but i guess they are slightly better XD
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#9
Building them and buying parts?

But really, it's ridiculous when they are over $1000.
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#10
They're handmade, the pickups are handwired, and the parts are high quality. Try building one by hand on your own and then figure out how many hours it takes to build a single guitar. After factoring in the price of parts $2000 bucks will seem like you're getting ripped off when you're selling it (although that time will be drastically shortened once you know what you're doing and acquire the proper tools).

EDIT: That doesn't mean it would be worth the money to the buyer though. Some people make great handmade guitar for around $1500 that I hear blow away anything the big name brands have put out (and around half of that price is just the parts).
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#12
well because some people people think rhe more expensive something is the better it is so they buy a 2k guitar which is a big mistake id rather buy a way cheaper guitar and have it set up really good
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#13
they can just give it a price because ppl will buy em anyways.. programming some machines, a bit of wood, metal and plastic arent expensive..

EDIT: Hey, what has four arms, four legs and works at McDonalds? simpleben's mom >.> j/k
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ieatcrayons1
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#14
the only time i would honestly pay more than $1000 on a guitar is if was from the Jackson Custom shop.
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Quote by ieatcrayons1
the only time i would honestly pay more than $1000 on a guitar is if was from the Jackson Custom shop.

yeah custom shopped guitars are okay to cost more than $1000, becuase its exactly what you want
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Nah- thats not true- a $2000 dollar guitar is expensive for various reasons- but like anything else you need to be careful what you're spending that 2000 bucks on. If I bought a Zakk Wylde Les Paul, i'd be paying for the name and the bullseye finish and all that hooey. For that price you're paying for certain features and techniques.

One thing that makes an expensive axe worth it is build quality and feature quality.
For build quality, they usually have the best woods and materials. On my soloist, the name on the headstock is mother of pearl, along with the inlays, the neck is bound and the guitar's paint job/finish is hand dressed. (for the difference- look up "eerie dess swirl" and compare a japanese jackson and an american one) My japanese jackson was factory assembled, has MOTO inlays, and has a bolt on neck. The Soloist was built at the USA factory in California by a small team of people. What you're paying for is the American labor, and the attention to detail that the small domestic team provided during construction. I know who wired my guitar, who did the neck dressing and who painted the finish. Also, I know that they picked the best cut of Alder for my guitar's body. As a consumer who is spending alot of cash on an instrument, this is important to me.

In terms of electronics, the pots and electronics on more expensive guitars reflect the price paid. Case in point, my Soloist's pots and pickup switch are more solid than those found on my japanese jackson. They are all steel, no plastic to be found, and can take abuse that a professional musician can dole out. In this price, you get the best of the brand. I have a Japanese jackson with a Floyd Rose- but it isn't an original, its licensed. It doesn't do all the tricks an original can, nor does it hold a tune like my soloist. The pups in a guitar like this should be top of the line- the USA variants of the brand. Be careful with a 2000 dollar guitar with active EMGs- they sound the same in a $200 guitar as they do in a $2000 one. In a guitar like this you want a guitar with passive pups that bring out the nuance of the hopefully fine cut of wood that you get in this price range.

I can't stress enough though that when spending alot of money on an instrument, I would look to see that I am getting the best possible value for the cost. Personally, I don't get why people would spend 3500 on a strat, but thats just me. If I am spending that kind of money, I would want certain features...for example, neck through, exotic woods etc.

All in all, its like asking "why buy a Maserati when I can upgrade my honda civic just as much?" In the end they both are cars, but one is just more finely executed over the other.
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Hey, what has four arms, four legs, and works at McDonalds? The remaining memebers of Nirvana XD. But really, God bless Kurt Cobain, and after making that joke, God, have mercy on my soul lol

I think the other two members, one is in a pretty famous band and the other is like a Governor (the same thing he "rebelled" against)
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Prestige and history, it's why I'd pay £1500 for a Gibson Les Paul Standard. And yeah, partly because it has Gibson written on the headstock.
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Quote by JackleCube
Prestige and history, it's why I'd pay £1500 for a Gibson Les Paul Standard. And yeah, partly because it has Gibson written on the headstock.


If prestige and histroy is why you'd pay alot for a les paul, then the Name on the headstock is 100% the reason, not partly.

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#21
Quote by Richmanofaction
Nah- thats not true- a $2000 dollar guitar is expensive for various reasons- but like anything else you need to be careful what you're spending that 2000 bucks on. If I bought a Zakk Wylde Les Paul, i'd be paying for the name and the bullseye finish and all that hooey. For that price you're paying for certain features and techniques.

One thing that makes an expensive axe worth it is build quality and feature quality.
For build quality, they usually have the best woods and materials. On my soloist, the name on the headstock is mother of pearl, along with the inlays, the neck is bound and the guitar's paint job/finish is hand dressed. (for the difference- look up "eerie dess swirl" and compare a japanese jackson and an american one) My japanese jackson was factory assembled, has MOTO inlays, and has a bolt on neck. The Soloist was built at the USA factory in California by a small team of people. What you're paying for is the American labor, and the attention to detail that the small domestic team provided during construction. I know who wired my guitar, who did the neck dressing and who painted the finish. Also, I know that they picked the best cut of Alder for my guitar's body. As a consumer who is spending alot of cash on an instrument, this is important to me.

In terms of electronics, the pots and electronics on more expensive guitars reflect the price paid. Case in point, my Soloist's pots and pickup switch are more solid than those found on my japanese jackson. They are all steel, no plastic to be found, and can take abuse that a professional musician can dole out. In this price, you get the best of the brand. I have a Japanese jackson with a Floyd Rose- but it isn't an original, its licensed. It doesn't do all the tricks an original can, nor does it hold a tune like my soloist. The pups in a guitar like this should be top of the line- the USA variants of the brand. Be careful with a 2000 dollar guitar with active EMGs- they sound the same in a $200 guitar as they do in a $2000 one. In a guitar like this you want a guitar with passive pups that bring out the nuance of the hopefully fine cut of wood that you get in this price range.

I can't stress enough though that when spending alot of money on an instrument, I would look to see that I am getting the best possible value for the cost. Personally, I don't get why people would spend 3500 on a strat, but thats just me. If I am spending that kind of money, I would want certain features...for example, neck through, exotic woods etc.

All in all, its like asking "why buy a Maserati when I can upgrade my honda civic just as much?" In the end they both are cars, but one is just more finely executed over the other.


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In most cases you get what you pay for. My PRS sounds and plays much better than my Epiphone and the same goes for my Martin and Yamaha (sorry..acoustics I know). That's not to say I don't enjoy playing all of them though!
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#23
Outside of the materials, you pay for the luthier's time. A higher-skilled luthier who builds his guitars from scratch, takes the time to hand-sand and finish everything not only takes more time to complete a guitar, but his time is more valuable than Joe in the Corona plant whose time is more valuable than Paco down in Mexico whose time is worth more than Chan in China. Add to this the need to run a profitable business, factoring in the wear that each guitar devalues your machinery, and it starts to make sense.
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Hey, what has four arms, four legs, and works at McDonalds? The remaining memebers of Nirvana XD. But really, God bless Kurt Cobain, and after making that joke, God, have mercy on my soul lol



But dave grohl formed the foo fighters? haha

and i think guitars over £1000 are a bit pricey, but if i did have the money i'd have a Gibson
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I can undestand why guitars could get in the $3000-4000 range, but honestly...

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Paul-Reed-Smith-PS--2043-Private-Stock-513-Electric-Guitar-531047-i1442382.gc

A $15,400 PRS? Don't get me wrong, it's damn sexy and probably plays like a dream, but FIFTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS??? Why?

Wait, I found something better... The $24,000 Gibson Jeff Beck Custom...

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Several factors are responsible for a guitars price:

- Supply and demand. The more demand people have for a guitar, the more the manufacturer resricts output, leading to an increase in price and vice versa.
- Factors of production. The factory location, cost of labour, build quality, feature quality, technology, etc.

Also, a lot of signature models are expensive as hell because of the name on them.
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Quote by simpleben09
Yeah, I've noticed that when they start getting over $1000, they dont get that much better. A lot of it can be cosmetic (paint job, hardware, etc) but personally, the only advantage is that they last just a little bit longer.


Actually, it may not. Gibson Les Pauls and SG's are the most frequently broken guitars on earth and they cost about $2000 for a LP standard. Just go to the Rants page on Ed Roman's site. Several notable techies and players will testify the same thing. They need updated and aren't as good as other cheaper brands, its just the authenticity of the name that sells the guitars. Even Leslie West, who has been using Gibsons since the 70's wuit the brand because Dean offered to make him a better playing and more durable model at a fraction of the price.

Same goes with Fender. Ibanez and ESP, as well as others, make updated better playing and sounding guitars for less because they know how to use modern methods to produce better quality at a lower price. Also, they don't charge a few hundred dollars for their logo on your headstock

In my opinion, the fact that Fender and Gibson have so much advertising and being the begining guitarist's dream brand, as one of the biggest brands around, they can hike up their prices to almost double what it's really worth because people will buy it to have the 'official' big name brand, that way they know its legit. However, all the big names are usually old school brands that have outdated parts and designs that have been superbly out done by smaller brands, people just don't know it because they haven't tried them yet. An LTD EC-1000 Deluxe plays better, is more durable, and sounds/looks just as good and is half the price of a Gibson LP of similar stats.

Sure, woods, where its made, binding/no binding, pickups, hardware, all that goes into it, but you can build your own Gibson or Fender that is more comfortable to you, and possible sounds better, and has all the same features at a fraction of the price.
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Quote by Richmanofaction

All in all, its like asking "why buy a Maserati when I can upgrade my honda civic just as much?" In the end they both are cars, but one is just more finely executed over the other.


+1.

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From a personal perspective, I know there are guitars better than a Gibson LP, and there are guitars plenty better for my style and purpose, but it doesn't influence me in the slightest, I can see I'm stupid, but yeah, I want a real LP, because then I have that classic instrument, I can be a proud owner of a real LP, I can brag for hours about how I have a real LP, it's stupid, but it's true.
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Don't worry, its not just guitars its all instruments.

Our school just spent 5000 just for a halfway decent tuba.
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with the REALLY expensive guitars it's usually because they are handbuilt so take a lot of time and effort to build, and often use the finest materials available (often quite difficult to come by sometimes), and the result is a very high quality guitar that has so much character and just feels special. you won't get that from a £300 epiphone, nor a £1000 gibson a lot of the time.

instruments like saxophone are so much more expensive. i was once considering learning sax.. but an entry level saxophone costs about as much as a midrange electric guitar... it's a big investment for something i might not be able to manage.
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Guitars are NOT overpriced. Gibsons are cheaper today than any time I can remember (and I can remember far too long (not much of the sixties, of course)).
Look. In 1974 I bought a Gibson Les Paul Black Beauty. Could have had a Custom for the same money but the P90's were gorgeous. It cost £415 in Denmark Street. A new small car then cost £1000. A 3 bedroom house cost about 15000 in LONDON. Anyone want to do the sums?
The Guitar now costs 5 or 6 times what it did. The car has increased around 12 to 15 fold. The house gas gone up at least 20 times. So which is now the better deal?
Guitars are dirt cheap. Especially Gibsons. The joy for us is that there are so many more makers offering great guitars at prices that, pro rata, wouldn't have bought a cheap bolt-neck Les Paul attempt. We've never had it so good.
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#33
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On Topic, I agree with you, I think the biggest difference is the quality of the wood and it lasts longer so.
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$2000 is considered cheap for a classical instrument so consider yourself lucky
getting into low concert classical guitar range is about $8000 atleast
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Supply & demand; quality and reputation.
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Quote by MLilienthal
$2000 is considered cheap for a classical instrument so consider yourself lucky
getting into low concert classical guitar range is about $8000 atleast

Oh yeah, I know someone who has a $25,000 sax.
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Carvin>almost every other guitar manufacturer. Getting custom shop quality at midrange prices is astounding; Frankly, I'm surprised that they don't have a larger presence in the industry.
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Yeah, good guitars are actually pretty cheap compared to other instruments, especially other stringed instruments. My orchestra teacher has a violin worth over 80 grand. And a cellist I kow has a cello worth about 60 grand.
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You msut be a n00b if you can't tell the difference between an MIA Fender and a Ibanez starter pack.
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Carvin>almost every other guitar manufacturer. Getting custom shop quality at midrange prices is astounding; Frankly, I'm surprised that they don't have a larger presence in the industry.

Because they advertise much less than most guitar companies