#1
I hear people say that the guitar player makes up some of the tone. How does this work? Are they talking about the hands and how much pressure and stuff applies to the tone? Basically everyone says that Eddie Van Halen's brown sound came mostly from him,not his guitar or his amp. Is this the same?
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#2
Its how clean you play, how expressive you play, and stuff like that. A new player can play a $4000 setup, but its gonna sound awful. Whereas an experienced professional can sometimes make a beginner setup sound great.

Just practice slowly to build proper accuracy, as well as work on your vibrato and bends. These things go a long way.
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everyone has nuances in their playing, and it comes out in their tone. now, that isn't saying that you can't create a usable brown sound, it just means that you won't sound exactly like EVH's brown sound because you have your own nuances and he has his.
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Its how clean you play, how expressive you play, and stuff like that. A new player can play a $4000 setup, but its gonna sound awful. Whereas an experienced professional can sometimes make a beginner setup sound great.

Just practice slowly to build proper accuracy, as well as work on your vibrato and bends. These things go a long way.


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#5
yeah, I never understood it.
Tone does not come from your hands. You technique and style comes from your hands.

Do some styles of playing, and certain nuances in your playing compliment certain tones/sound better with certain tone? Sure...
But the tone does not come from your hands, its the amp gear and guitar. your fingers aren't going to give the sound coming out of your amp a mid eq curve, or tighten up your muddy bottom-end.
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yeah, I never understood it.
Tone does not come from your hands. You technique and style comes from your hands.

Do some styles of playing, and certain nuances in your playing compliment certain tones/sound better with certain tone? Sure...
But the tone does not come from your hands, its the amp gear and guitar. your fingers aren't going to give the sound coming out of your amp a mid eq curve, or tighten up your muddy bottom-end.


So what you're saying is that if I took my guitar and amp, and I played "Sweet Child O Mine". Then I handed my guitar to Slash, keep all knobs and buttons in the same spot, and he then plays the same song. Or vice versa, me play it on Slash's gear (Yeah, like that would ever happen).
You think it will sound the same???

There is more to tone than Treble Mids and Bass....

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yeah, I never understood it.
Tone does not come from your hands. You technique and style comes from your hands.

Do some styles of playing, and certain nuances in your playing compliment certain tones/sound better with certain tone? Sure...
But the tone does not come from your hands, its the amp gear and guitar. your fingers aren't going to give the sound coming out of your amp a mid eq curve, or tighten up your muddy bottom-end.



I agree with you actually. Tone dosen't come from your fingers, if you give slash a marshal mg and an epi les paull, he will still have the mg tone. You will however still know its slashs playing because of his ability to play vibratos, bends and other parts of his technique that contributes to his overall sound.
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So what you're saying is that if I took my guitar and amp, and I played "Sweet Child O Mine". Then I handed my guitar to Slash, keep all knobs and buttons in the same spot, and he then plays the same song. You think it will sound the same???

There is more to tone than Treble Mids and Bass....

it won't sound the same because Slash is Slash... not you. No offense to your playing, it's just that he ahs his style.
Just how if you wrote a song or solo, and Slash tried it, it would sound like slash because he doesn't have your technique/unique style.
he slides into notes differently, different vibrato and pick attack. maybehe picks every note, and you prefer legato.
It's those things that make it sound different. And that's not tone. As far as my opinion goes, tone and musicality go perfectly together, but are two different things.

If Slash played on an MG... he'd still sound good... but it'd still sound like a **** MG tone (or whatever else our imagination will have him play through).

^Yes to the man above me. He said it before I did. Note how he said overall "sound", not tone. Sound is everything together; the musical and skill aspect with the tone aspect. At least... that's how i understod it
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I agree with you actually. Tone dosen't come from your fingers, if you give slash a marshal mg and an epi les paull, he will still have the mg tone. You will however still know its slashs playing because of his ability to play vibratos, bends and other parts of his technique that contributes to his overall sound.

This. It's all about technique and nuances. It has more to do with sounding like yourself than sounding 'good'.
#11
No offense taken, that was exactly my point.

I guess we (as well as many others apparently) have a different idea of the definition of Tone....

and I agree with the idea that your tone starts within you...

Maybe it's more accurate to say "Your SOUND begins within you"..

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No offense taken, that was exactly my point.

I guess we (as well as many others apparently) have a different idea of the definition of Tone....

and I agree with the idea that your tone starts within you...

Maybe it's more accurate to say "Your SOUND begins within you"..


I agree with that. Someone's 'tone' could be great, doesn't mean he or she will sound good
I do like to believe that the person is more important: technique, style etc. having good tone is just a great bonus.
Wouldn't we still listen to our favourites even if they switched to MG (my some twisted cosmic joke)?
..I would...
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No offense taken, that was exactly my point.

I guess we (as well as many others apparently) have a different idea of the definition of Tone....

and I agree with the idea that your tone starts within you...

Maybe it's more accurate to say "Your SOUND begins within you"..

i think that's a good way of putting it. you can make something sound really bad with just your hands if you tried, but it'll have a better (subjective, yes, but i think we can all agree on this) tone if you played it on a nice Cornford than if you played it on an MG.
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I agree with that. Someone's 'tone' could be great, doesn't mean he or she will sound good
I do like to believe that the person is more important: technique, style etc. having good tone is just a great bonus.
Wouldn't we still listen to our favourites even if they switched to MG (my some twisted cosmic joke)?
..I would...


I agree with that completely too.
I've always said that a good guitar player will sound pretty close to the same whether they're playing with their favorite gear, or average run of the mill crappy gear.

For example I point out the Volkswagen commercials a while ago. When they were pushing First Act Guitars with a new Bug. And the commercial showed Slash playing one..sure that might have been overdubbed with his actual gear, but who knows...

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I agree with that completely too.
I've always said that a good guitar player will sound pretty close to the same whether they're playing with their favorite gear, or average run of the mill crappy gear.

For example I point out the Volkswagen commercials a while ago. When they were pushing First Act Guitars with a new Bug. And the commercial showed Slash playing one..sure that might have been overdubbed with his actual gear, but who knows...


The bug where you could plug in a guitar, right? Did the Bug have built in distortion? If not... it's safe to say it was overdubbed, ha.

Or Dave Mustaine using a JVM. Sounded pretty much like Mustaine does live to me. I notice the difference, sure... but nothing shockingly huge or to notice a difference ifhe hadn't shown us the JVM.
#16
The way you pick, the way you fret, everything you do with a guitar will have a small amount of effect on your tone. That's where distinct playing styles and tones come from.
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Two people could be playing on the exact same set-up and you would still be able to tell them apart, and that doesn't require an experienced listener (although a developed ear does helps). This personal tone or sound is pretty much in the nuances, mostly coming from your picking hand: through the way you attack the strings, how you angle the pick, the place you hit the string (closer to the bridge or to the neck), etc.

I've found that these nuances aren't as noticeable in high-gain tones, though, which makes sense really.
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Two people could be playing on the exact same set-up and you would still be able to tell them apart, and that doesn't require an experienced listener (although a developed ear does helps). This personal tone or sound is pretty much in the nuances, mostly coming from your picking hand: through the way you attack the strings, how you angle the pick, the place you hit the string (closer to the bridge or to the neck), etc.

I've found that these nuances aren't as noticeable in high-gain tones, though, which makes sense really.

My theory is all the drop tunings came about from metal guitarists trying to differentiate themselves from all the other players in that genre.
#19
i personally think that people are confuse with tone and skill.
if evh began to play with my gear anyone will notice its evh because of his characteristic playing, but not cause of his characteristic tone. tone is like the car and skill is like the driver, if you give a f1 driver a volkwagen bug, he´ll still do corners really well, and stuff, and people will say, hey, that guys drives really well, but he of course wont drive at 200mph.


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i personally think that people are confuse with tone and skill.
if evh began to play with my gear anyone will notice its evh because of his characteristic playing, but not cause of his characteristic tone. tone is like the car and skill is like the driver, if you give a f1 driver a volkwagen bug, he´ll still do corners really well, and stuff, and people will say, hey, that guys drives really well, but he of course wont drive at 200mph.


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Good comparisons xD
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Its how clean you play, how expressive you play, and stuff like that. A new player can play a $4000 setup, but its gonna sound awful. Whereas an experienced professional can sometimes make a beginner setup sound great.

Just practice slowly to build proper accuracy, as well as work on your vibrato and bends. These things go a long way.

I don't agree. You won't get a Mesa Dual-Rectifier to sound as awful as a Spider and vice-versa, no matter who plays it.
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I don't agree. You won't get a Mesa Dual-Rectifier to sound as awful as a Spider and vice-versa, no matter who plays it.


Well your always going to sound like the amp your playing, playing skillfully isnt going to change your amp. That doesnt change the fact that your playing changes how you will sound.
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I don't agree. You won't get a Mesa Dual-Rectifier to sound as awful as a Spider and vice-versa, no matter who plays it.

Go from a bugera or something to a slo-100 or another very articulate amp. You'll be amazed how sloppy you sound.