#1
Hi, i'm looking at a Orange Rocker 30 mainly for its blues and rock sound, however i would also like to be able to play 80's metal, think Van Halen, Guns N Roses and Bon Jovi.

Ideally i'd like to be able to get this from just the amp, however if it not capable does anyone have any suggestions of od's that would take me there.

Thanks
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#2
It may be too dark for those bands.

JCM800 used? That's basically the epitome of an 80s hard rock amp.
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It may be too dark for those bands.

JCM800 used? That's basically the epitome of an 80s hard rock amp.



A JCM800 is probably one of the best amps you can get for this. Slash used JCM800's, and other bands around that era most likely used it aswell.
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It was common for those bands to use Marshall amps. Not sure about Bon Jovi though.
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#5
Thanks, i'll definatley look into it.

I guess i sorta want a screaming lead type sound if you get what i mean.
#6
Well I have played an Orange Rocker 30, and it probably would get you these sounds yes, and also has fantastic cleans and works well for bluesy stuff. However, for specifically those bands you suggested, a Marshall would probably be best.
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#9
Rockerverb 50 is a better choice if you want an Orange, and a JCM 800 is another good option, I know EVH used them along with his plexi in the 80s.
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#12
It won't do the sizzle that those tones require IMO. I'd personally run a plexi clone wide open for those tones, but that's just me.
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No, not at all. The express is gonna sound like a mesa, a mesa with no balls, but a mesa nonetheless. Output tubes are not the main factor in an amps tone.
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#15
To be honest i find it does those kind of tones very well, i play a lot of guns and roses on mine and although it is a little dark it's still a very nice amp. It won't really give you what i'd call a screaming lead tone on its own though
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No, not at all. The express is gonna sound like a mesa, a mesa with no balls, but a mesa nonetheless. Output tubes are not the main factor in an amps tone.


Thanks.

Could a tiny terror? or tiny terror plus a pedal?
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To be honest i find it does those kind of tones very well, i play a lot of guns and roses on mine and although it is a little dark it's still a very nice amp. It won't really give you what i'd call a screaming lead tone on its own though



I guess it's just a matter of how close you want to get. To me the top end sizzle you hear in all those tones is what makes those tones

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Thanks.

Could a tiny terror? or tiny terror plus a pedal?


Yeah, it'd work. Not a big fan of the tiny terror though. Played the marshall Haze the other day (15 watt) thought it was much, much nicer sounding than the TT. Played it through a mesa cab and the stock cab and I thought both sound good with the mesa cab being a bit more open and clearer sounding.
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Yeah, it'd work. Not a big fan of the tiny terror though. Played the marshall Haze the other day (15 watt) thought it was much, much nicer sounding than the TT. Played it through a mesa cab and the stock cab and I thought both sound good with the mesa cab being a bit more open and clearer sounding.


Thank you, haze didn't sound digital at all?
So with a v30 would it be a descent amp?
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Thank you, haze didn't sound digital at all?
So with a v30 would it be a descent amp?



Stop reading into the idiot hype on these boards. Try the effects, if you like em, use em, if not skip them. I have no need for effects so I didn't even bother testing them on the amp.
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#21
Thanks for all the help, i am kinda hoping to get a orange as i have an orange cab however the jcm 800 does seem pretty cool.

I'm going to have to give them all a blast and if its close enough for rock n roll i'll get it!

But what about these Blackstar Series Ones i've heard their like an old marshal plus some.
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Yeah, it'd work. Not a big fan of the tiny terror though. Played the marshall Haze the other day (15 watt) thought it was much, much nicer sounding than the TT. Played it through a mesa cab and the stock cab and I thought both sound good with the mesa cab being a bit more open and clearer sounding.


Well I tried the Haze for along time. I say stay CLEAR of the cab. The cab is awful. It sounded ok at first, but after I plugged it into a 425 (with Greenbacks) and then back it was just awful. No definition and a very boxy tone. But with a good cab? Then Haze is a killer 80's amp! Some poeple complain about the effects sounding sterile. They kind of do, but for 80's stuff they have that ultra clean tone from early digital effects (that sounds well, rather sterile) that was all the craze in the 80's. So for what you play it's a good choice with a nice cab.
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Well I tried the Haze for along time. I say stay CLEAR of the cab. The cab is awful. It sounded ok at first, but after I plugged it into a 425 (with Greenbacks) and then back it was just awful. No definition and a very boxy tone. But with a good cab? Then Haze is a killer 80's amp! Some poeple complain about the effects sounding sterile. They kind of do, but for 80's stuff they have that ultra clean tone from early digital effects (that sounds well, rather sterile) that was all the craze in the 80's. So for what you play it's a good choice with a nice cab.



Oh yeah, I definitely wouldn't get the cab considering the price, just saying I didn't think it was awful.

I have a hard time understanding how this amp gets so much hate. I'm not saying everyone's gonna like it, but to say it's flat out bad or an MG with tubes seems dramatic to me. It's certainly no worse than the other asian made british 15 watt tube amp out there.
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#24
I haven't played the 15 watt version of the Haze but the 40 watt one I played did not sound good at all. The cleans were pretty good, nice and punchy but the drive sounded very bland. Didn't even bother with the fx. But I may have to try the 15 watt version out, you have a pretty good ear for tone so I will prolly check one out.
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Oh yeah, I definitely wouldn't get the cab considering the price, just saying I didn't think it was awful.

I have a hard time understanding how this amp gets so much hate. I'm not saying everyone's gonna like it, but to say it's flat out bad or an MG with tubes seems dramatic to me. It's certainly no worse than the other asian made british 15 watt tube amp out there.


Exactly. It's pretty decent IMO. A lot of it stems form the GODAWFUL Marshall demo... Problem is Chris George doesn't have a single clue about tone and all his demos come out crap...
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Exactly. It's pretty decent IMO. A lot of it stems form the GODAWFUL Marshall demo... Problem is Chris George doesn't have a single clue about tone and all his demos come out crap...


Yeah, luckily I never heard any demos of it, so I went in with a clean slate. I heard all the bad talk it was getting on the boards, but I tend to ignore what most people have to say and take the words of people I do trust with a grain of salt.
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