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#1
So my questions are:

Why do ppl want bolt-on necks? they play horrible on the high frets imo.

And why do ppl want 22 or 21 frets? with 24 frets you just have more notes right (and 2 octaves)?

May sound noobish but im super cereal. just wondered
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Because guitars with bolt on necks are usually cheaper, and it allows the neck to be unfinished, which i love.
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Because most people don't spend much time above the 17th fret.



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regarding bolt on necks: because people have different preferences to you.

regarding frets - some people don't need a 22nd fret or higher so they can get by with 21 fret guitars and don't need to specifically seek out something with more frets. also, some people want to have the neck pickup positioned on a harmonic node (such as the 24th fret position) - you can't have a pickup there if you have 24 frets.
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because it's cheaper, it works fine for them, they dont need the higher frets, because they want what they want.

take your pick.

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If a bolt on neck is broken, the neck alone can be replaced. On a neck thru, the whole guitar needs to be replaced.
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bolt ons can have just as good fret access as thru necks.

21/22 fret guitars allow the pickup to be placed where the 24th fret would be altering the tone.

different strokes for different folks.
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alright, i got it. thx lol.

oh and what is the difference if you have a pickup "positioned on a harmonic node" ?
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because bolt on guitar sound different from a neck thru. on a bolt on guitar alot more of the body wood contributes to the tone while neck thru more of the neck wood contributes to the tone. its all up to personal taste both my guitars are bolt on and i have no problem reaching the 24th frets on my guitars. although i admit the AANJ on my ibanez does feel better then the block on my jackson
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because bolt on guitar sound different from a neck thru. on a bolt on guitar alot more of the body wood contributes to the tone while neck thru more of the neck wood contributes to the tone. its all up to personal taste both my guitars are bolt on and i have no problem reaching the 24th frets on my guitars. although i admit the AANJ on my ibanez does feel better then the block on my jackson


what does AANJ mean? i know what it is because i have a ibby bolt-on myself.
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alright, i got it. thx lol.

oh and what is the difference if you have a pickup "positioned on a harmonic node" ?


Nothing. People say its bad to have the pickup on the harmonic node (on a 22 fret guitar, the pickup pole is place where the 24th fret would be, where the "node" is.) but as soon as you fret a string the nodes move.
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bolt on necks ae accessable on the high frets go play a Jem or any RG. why do you think that most top players use a bolt on neck

Bolt on necks are easier to replace.

TS your points is totally unfounded, go and play and abuse a lot of guitars and come back with your conclusion

22 frets versus 21 vs 24 if the guitar has been built properly and setup properly all notes will ring out, you might as well ask why a piano has so many octaves a 24 fret guitar has 144 notes btw simply put thats 12 octaves not 2
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If you don't buy a neck-through 24 fret guitar, your children will all be left-wing libertarian homosexuals. They'll burn the American flag and marry French impressionist artists called Jean-Pierre.
So there is no reason to buy a bolt-on or 22 fret guitar.
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I never go past the 19th fret because I have a bolt on neck that blocks me from getting any further.

However I don't even go that high on my second guitar, which as a 24 fret fretboard and an incredibly thin neck.
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bolt on necks ae accessable on the high frets go play a Jem or any RG. why do you think that most top players use a bolt on neck

Bolt on necks are easier to replace.

TS your points is totally unfounded, go and play and abuse a lot of guitars and come back with your conclusion

22 frets versus 21 vs 24 if the guitar has been built properly and setup properly all notes will ring out, you might as well ask why a piano has so many octaves a 24 fret guitar has 144 notes btw simply put thats 12 octaves not 2


And i didnt mean ibanez bolt-on's but jackson/fender ones.

your right about the octaves, but i actually meant 2 octaves a string.

and the underlined part was pretty much unneccesary
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I have both neck thru and a bolt on- and the bolt on rolls with the best of em...the neck thru is easier to access 17 and above, but if it cleaves the price to a 1/3rd of my neck thru, who cares?
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Why do ppl want bolt-on necks? they play horrible on the high frets imo.


I find the neck joint much more comfortable and good on the high frets than a neck-thru or set-neck. It's preference. Also because you don't have to replace the entire guitar if the neck goes bad, just unscrew, remove, replace, screw.

And why do ppl want 22 or 21 frets? with 24 frets you just have more notes right (and 2 octaves)?


The higher frets cause a brighter tone, and as a result with certain woods and pickups can sound brittle and harsh. Also some people like me can barely use 22 properly due to finger size and therefore don't wish to pay extra for more. Also it moves the neck pickup closer, which messes with the smooth creamy tone you can get from them.

And to both of these; If you need to have unhindered access to the very top frets and can't live with 24 frets, then you're either Rusty Cooley or something is very wrong with your technique.
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Quote by Gryphon999

1) Why do ppl want bolt-on necks? they play horrible on the high frets imo.

2) And why do ppl want 22 or 21 frets? with 24 frets you just have more notes right (and 2 octaves)?


1) they don't, imo. And you can always get an all-access neck joint if it really annoys you. if you want the bolt-on sound, you have to go for a bolt-on, kind of thing.

2) it changes the position of the neck pickup, so subtly alters the tone of the neck pickup. certain tones sound better with the neck pickup in the "correct" position, as the neck pickup would be on a 21 or 22 fret guitar.
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#23
got all the info i wanted, thx guys.
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All this harmonic node stuff is B/S, it only makes a difference when you play an open string, all the positions of the nodes change with every fret you press down so the placement makes no difference as soon as you fret a note.

The only way it makes a difference is because on a 21 or 22 fret neck the humbucker is nearer the center of the oscillation and there for more output, it is also warmer than nearer to the bridge.


and I bet my Ibanez bolt ons out play most set necks for access.


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#25
They make so many different guitars as there are so many different kinds of players and styles. A metal player seeks a different set up than jazz player. Somebody like BBking would never use 24 frets if he had em but a shredder wouldnt live without those frets. Some shredders want 27 or more frets. Its really really hard to make a single guitar that would please every player out there. And yea some bolt necks can have a bulky neck joint but certainly not more bulky than a set neck LP. And you can always bevel the heel and use recessed ferrules to slim down the neck joint.
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So my questions are:

Why do ppl want bolt-on necks? they play horrible on the high frets imo.

And why do ppl want 22 or 21 frets? with 24 frets you just have more notes right (and 2 octaves)?

May sound noobish but im super cereal. just wondered

With bolt neck guitars, you can potentially get as much or more sustain, you get the tone from the body wood instead of the neck wood, they're easier to replace, they CAN be built with amazing upper fret access (Tom Anderson, high end Ibanez, Caparison, Jackson...).

22 or 21 frets? Not everyone needs the high D# and E, and with fewer frets, you can place one half of the neck pickup where the 24th and 27th frets would be, which is a very harmonically rich area and contributes to the tone of the neck pickup greatly. Also, rhythm players don't usually use the 24th fret, or really anything above the 12th or 15th.
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All this harmonic node stuff is B/S, it only makes a difference when you play an open string, all the positions of the nodes change with every fret you press down so the placement makes no difference as soon as you fret a note.

The only way it makes a difference is because on a 21 or 22 fret neck the humbucker is nearer the center of the oscillation and there for more output, it is also warmer than nearer to the bridge.


and I bet my Ibanez bolt ons out play most set necks for access.

This is very true as well and I can see where you're coming from. But when using the neck pickup for cleans, you may be using a lot of open strings. And the harmonic node points I believe tend to be more common at the 12th and 24th fret areas for a lot of common chords.
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may be a bit to much, but does anyone have a video where you can hear the difference between bolt-on neck-thru bridge pup? or audio of course
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may be a bit to much, but does anyone have a video where you can hear the difference between bolt-on neck-thru bridge pup? or audio of course


Yes, you can once you have a well-trained ear, which most musicians do.
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#29
a 24 fret guitar has 144 notes btw simply put thats 12 octaves not 2


no. just no.

none of the notes on the 5th 4th 3rd and 2nd strings are unique.

you have a 4 octave range on a standard tuning 24 fret 6 string guitar (not including harmonics).
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no. just no.

none of the notes on the 5th 4th 3rd and 2nd strings are unique.

you have a 4 octave range on a standard tuning 24 fret 6 string guitar (not including harmonics).

Yeah. You really only have 12 notes no matter which way you slice it, they're just different octaves.
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#31
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I find the neck joint much more comfortable and good on the high frets than a neck-thru or set-neck. It's preference. Also because you don't have to replace the entire guitar if the neck goes bad, just unscrew, remove, replace, screw.
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+1

I like having something more substantial to hold on when I'm that high. My Ibanez's bolt-on joint is much smaller then my Fender's [and much better], but it has more wood then any other neck joint, so I still have the benefit of extra wood [for grip, etc.].

TBH, I'd take a bolt-on any day for most guitars - but I don't care what the joint is, I just play.

22 Frets is enough for me. I can bend up 3 semitones if I want, maybe more, meaning I have 3 to 4 extra frets! 26 frets all available to use, but I rarely have a need for anything more, and am never hindered by it.

But, all my guitars are because I like them, not joint type or fret numbers.
I'd happily play a 24 fret neck through, but I won't go out of the way specially to get one.
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Yes, you can once you have a well-trained ear, which most musicians do.


i mean.. i dont have a neck-thru guitar here so i cant compare it. now read my post again please :P
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All this harmonic node stuff is B/S, it only makes a difference when you play an open string, all the positions of the nodes change with every fret you press down so the placement makes no difference as soon as you fret a note.

The only way it makes a difference is because on a 21 or 22 fret neck the humbucker is nearer the center of the oscillation and there for more output, it is also warmer than nearer to the bridge.


and I bet my Ibanez bolt ons out play most set necks for access.


i didn't say anything about harmonic nodes, you're right about the open strings. However, the part about the "warmer" sound is the bit which changes the tone, and which is the bit which I'm talking about, so I don't really see your point?
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#34
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no. just no.

none of the notes on the 5th 4th 3rd and 2nd strings are unique.

you have a 4 octave range on a standard tuning 24 fret 6 string guitar (not including harmonics).


i`m taking the piss out of the TS for starting a pointless thread
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i`m taking the piss out of the TS for starting a pointless thread


tell me whats so pointless about it then
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All this harmonic node stuff is B/S, it only makes a difference when you play an open string, all the positions of the nodes change with every fret you press down so the placement makes no difference as soon as you fret a note.

The only way it makes a difference is because on a 21 or 22 fret neck the humbucker is nearer the center of the oscillation and there for more output, it is also warmer than nearer to the bridge.


and I bet my Ibanez bolt ons out play most set necks for access.

The Ibanez AANJ is pretty nice, but my Carvin DC-127 has better upper fret access than any other guitar I've tried, regardless of the construction. I don't think the access could get much better. Still, I don't mind bolt ons at all, even though the only one I have is a Strat. In fact one of the next guitars I buy will be a Suhr Modern 24.
#39
I prefer bolt-on necks. The neck joint doesn't bother me, in fact, on neck-throughs I tend to get lost at the higher frets if there's no heel or anything.

I don't like 24 frets because I never use the top 2 notes, anyway. If I wanted to reach the E6, I'd bend up a whole step. Also, to accomodate 24 frets, the neck pickup needs to be moved back, which affects the tone. I haven't played many 24-fret guitars, so I haven't really experienced this change first-hand, but it makes a difference in theory. Some like it, some don't.

Also, in my experience, bolt-on guitars sound punchier. Set-necks may work for some people, but for some reason they always sound rather muddy when I play them.
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#40
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tell me whats so pointless about it then


it`s alll been discussed before and if you`d bothered to use the searchbar would of discovered the attributes of different guitar constructions (neck joints) that many top manufacturers have been using for decades.......so the thread pissed me off that you didn`t bother to use the searchbar so i declared it pointless because it`s been discussed to death previously...and i`m in a foul mood......
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