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It's called unblack metal. It's weird how Christians snuck their way into a genre born out of hatred for them.

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#4
Already been a huge discussion on this. Bands can do whatever they want, that's why christian black metal exists.

Obviously it doesn't contain the same lyrical content (though many newer black metal bands have diverged on said topics) but it consists of most of the other stuff you find in black metal: the staple chord progression, skrieked/high vocals, tremelo, etc,etc
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#5
Yeah. It's like an African American chapter of the KKK. Simply nuts.
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#6
A genre is defined by its sound, not its lyrical themes. Black Metal may have a lot of anti-Christian themes to it, but that's not its defining characteristic.

If Mayhem changed all their lyrics but kept their music the same, would they cease to be Black Metal? No. Absolutely not. You can have Christian themes in the lyrics just as much as you can have Satanic ones.
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Yeah. It's like an African American chapter of the KKK. Simply nuts.


Hahahaha, that's the most logical response so far.
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A genre is defined by its sound, not its lyrical themes. Black Metal may have a lot of anti-Christian themes to it, but that's not its defining characteristic.

If Mayhem changed all their lyrics but kept their music the same, would they cease to be Black Metal? No. Absolutely not. You can have Christian themes in the lyrics just as much as you can have Satanic ones.


The lyrical content is, has and always will be a staple part of what originally defined black metal however. Granted many bands have deviated from the original formula but the concept remains the same, black metal was born out of an opposition to Christianity, and the idea of a Christian black metal band is a bit daft in my opinion

Also, Hobgoblin is godly
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Hahahaha, that's the most logical response so far.


im not christian or a black metal fan, and despite how much id love to make fun of them both, i think freddaahh's response was better. far truer at the least, though not as humorous
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Hahahaha, that's the most logical response so far.


I was just being silly. Fred's response is tr00 and kvlt.
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I was just being silly. Fred's response is tr00 and kvlt.


I was kidding...
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The lyrical content is, has and always will be a staple part of what originally defined black metal however. Granted many bands have deviated from the original formula but the concept remains the same, black metal was born out of an opposition to Christianity, and the idea of a Christian black metal band is a bit daft in my opinion

Also, Hobgoblin is godly


Yeah, good point. I know that having Christian themes in Black Metal seems quite contradictory and daft; but I don't think it is wrong. As you said, the genre has evolved a fair bit, and I prefer Black Metal when it is pretty much telling gr1m mythological stories. And when it comes to nasty stories, The Bible would be quite a place to start. Now we have BM bands writing lyrics about trees.

Yeah, Hobgoblin is fantastic.
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The real question is why most christian metal is utter crap


Because most things that involve praising the lord are bound to be fucking stupid.
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#17
Let me expand on fred's answer. Yes what dopey is saying is true about the lyrics being in spite of christianity ever since black metal's origin and plays a major role in black metal. But what I'm about to say can be applied to any music with lyrics. If you take away the traditional sound of a genre and all you have is lyrics, then there is practically nothing is left except lyrics. Christians can easily enough write Black Metal because it has nothing to do with religion or lyrics it has to do with forging a certain style of music and that is it. The most important underlying part in black metal is the music and atmosphere. The lyrics are just in addition to. Even though in my experience many Christian metal bands in general aren't always up to par with the atheistic ones, some good Christian black metal would have to be Evroklidon, Crimson Moonlight, and Holy Blood (kinda black metal).
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#18
Get a fucking life, you twats, and do some growing up.

For Satan's sake.
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#19
Can anyone name some of the bands?
I know old Underoath was called unblack metal, but it sounds like pre-deathcore with a keyboard to me.
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The lyrical content is, has and always will be a staple part of what originally defined black metal however. Granted many bands have deviated from the original formula but the concept remains the same, black metal was born out of an opposition to Christianity, and the idea of a Christian black metal band is a bit daft in my opinion

So Nazi punk isn't actually punk, then?

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Can anyone name some of the bands?
I know old Underoath was called unblack metal, but it sounds like pre-deathcore with a keyboard to me.

Underoath are hardcore. Try Antestor.
#21
Horde, Extol, Frost Like Ashes, Antestor, and Admonish are all decent.
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#22
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Because most things that involve praising the lord are bound to be fucking stupid.


Oh comon, you can't tell me you've never dressed up as a priest, and got a girl to "pray", if you catch my drift

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I haven't done that yet.

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#24
It even has great dialogue too,

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Later on, in a different scene i'm completely wasted from Jesus' blood and body, and I start doing the organist, she's like 70, mind you. She told me she was a virgin, but I wrecked her and, trust me, it wasn't her first time around the Father, Son and Holy Post.

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It even has great dialogue too,

Me: "...and God said, may my penis be in you"
Rest of the Church: "..and also in you"

Later on, in a different scene i'm completely wasted from Jesus' blood and body, and I start doing the organist, she's like 70, mind you. She told me she was a virgin, but I wrecked her and, trust me, it wasn't her first time around the Father, Son and Holy Post.


I would love for you to be a porn director. If you pull it off right, you can be as popular as Pirates (haven't seen it yet, but heard a lot about it) and as awesome as Monty Python. This is a priceless idea.
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#26
Hmm...if only I had a church..oh wait, I have 7 in my small town of 5000. Bahahaha...Father Joe, meet your whores.
#27
This thread is now about Satan.

Really, I don't see what lyrics have to do with anything.
If people want to worship while banging their heads, that's their perogative, isn't it?
And to tell the truth, I find bands who abstain from profanity and over-the-top gory lyrics to be much more proffesional sounding than, say, CANNIBAL CORPSE or ROTTING CHRIST.

Another thing I dislike would be when bands force their nonconventional points of view on you. Sure, lyrics aren't that important, but album covers with zombies engaging in cunningulus seems a bit off-putting...

And this talk about Catholic pornography is indeed disgusting.
#28
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And this talk about Catholic pornography is indeed disgusting.


Nah, it's quite delicious, really. I'd prey for a Catholic girl, anyday.
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#29
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A genre is defined by its sound, not its lyrical themes. Black Metal may have a lot of anti-Christian themes to it, but that's not its defining characteristic.

If Mayhem changed all their lyrics but kept their music the same, would they cease to be Black Metal? No. Absolutely not. You can have Christian themes in the lyrics just as much as you can have Satanic ones.


It's not just about the lyrics though.

Black metal itself was pretty much a statement against Christianity in Norway. Now the Christians are making a statement against that statement. It's kinda like going to a Black Panther meeting taking place in the deep south as a member of the KKK, and bringing along a few buddies.

Personally, I have a qualm with those "unblack metal" bands. First of all, there's already "Christian metal", why do they need yet another subgenre all to theirselves. And second of all, why is it that just because they're Christian, they have to put it into their lyrics and jam it down our throats? Some people (for a while, myself included. Now I really don't care that much) listened to black metal to get away from that.
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It's not just about the lyrics though.

Black metal itself was pretty much a statement against Christianity in Norway. Now the Christians are making a statement against that statement. It's kinda like going to a Black Panther meeting taking place in the deep south as a member of the KKK, and bringing along a few buddies.

Personally, I have a qualm with those "unblack metal" bands. First of all, there's already "Christian metal", why do they need yet another subgenre all to theirselves. And second of all, why is it that just because they're Christian, they have to put it into their lyrics and jam it down our throats? Some people (for a while, myself included. Now I really don't care that much) listened to black metal to get away from that.


Any black metal bands that form just because they want to defy Christianity deserve to have an equally retarded polar opposite unblack metal band form in their opposition Get a llife.

And did you ever notice how all those black metal bands jam satanic themes "down your throat"? or how some of those folk metal bands jam pagan themes "down your throat"?
#32
Christian metal is a subgenre...

Wikipedia says so .

In any case, black metal shoved Satanic messages down our throats because early Christian settlers shoved Christian messages down their ancestor's throats.
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Christian metal is a subgenre...

Wikipedia says so .

In any case, black metal shoved Satanic messages down our throats because early Christian settlers shoved Christian messages down their ancestor's throats.


Ah, so then black metal musicians are no better than christians is what you're saying?

For the record, I don't enjoy any unblack metal bands myself, I just hate when people flip out when their sacred genres get infested.
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Christian metal is a subgenre...

Wikipedia says so .

In any case, black metal shoved Satanic messages down our throats because early Christian settlers shoved Christian messages down their ancestor's throats.


So the Hammurabian code applies? Simply reverse it on them. "If they do it to me, may as well do it back to them?"

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No offense, but I focused in too much on his post that I didn't see yours...
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Ah, so then black metal musicians are no better than christians is what you're saying?

For the record, I don't enjoy any unblack metal bands myself, I just hate when people flip out when their sacred genres get infested.


I didn't flip out o_o. I like a few unblack metal bands myself. I'm just saying that the concept of unblack metal bands is stupid.
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I didn't flip out o_o. I like a few unblack metal bands myself. I'm just saying that the concept of unblack metal bands is stupid.


I'm okay with Christian themes, but I hate how some people feel the need to make up new names for a genre just because a band is Christian or promote that their music is Christian.
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I'm okay with Christian themes, but I hate how some people feel the need to make up new names for a genre just because a band is Christian or promote that their music is Christian.


Yerp, yerp.

No one seems to have a problem with Candlemass...are they now Christian Doom Metal?

Undoom Metal?

Salvation Metal?
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