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#1
Was perusing merchant city music online (www.guitar.co.uk), was curious to see how much a standard gibson les paul costs these days. Found out they don't stock any Gibsons anymore (including Epiphones).
I'd heard about how Gibson were only selling stock to those stores who agreed to buy a ridiculous value of guitars. But when I thought about it, of the 5 guitar shops I've been to recently only 1 still seems to buy in Gibson (one shop has 2 or so left, a lot less than they used to so I'm guessing they don't buy them anymore either).

So Ugers, how many of your local guitar shops still sell Gibsons?
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#2
I think 3 or 4 of them still sell Gibsons, but ones a fairly large chain, and ones been round for decades. Another is a specialist shop which only really sells Gibsons, Epiphones, Fenders and Jacksons (odd combo i know, but they seem to like it). The last i haven't been in for months, but i'm fairly sure they have a large hollowbody Gibson in the window still
#3
Only one. There are three shops here, all locally owned. One is a huge store in the worst part of town with excellent service and selection, but they turned down Gibson a long time ago for the reasons mentioned above. Another store sells them but I really don't like that place, they are useless. The other store doesn't sella nything good, they are all beginner brands and lessons.
#4
There's currently only three dealers in the UK authorised to stock new Gibsons. It's actually not Gibson's fault, they got caught in a ****ty distribution deal and the distributor have ****ed everyone over. Fender have also pulled the plug on a lot of shops as they have a new policy that to sell their products you have to have £20,000 worth of Fender products (minus shop mark-up) in stock at all times. They're also ceasing to supply to any shop that advertises a certain model if the store doesn't have that exact guitar in stock at the time.

So yeah, Gibson's distributor is ****ing everyone in Europe over and Fender are ****ing over everyone themselves. ESP is the only brand at the moment that is really trying to help the smaller stores and get their products everywhere.
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#5
my local store stopped carrying them about 5 or 6 years ago. they told me that gibson wanted people to buy TONS of them, and it just wasn't practical for a store smaller than a guitar center really
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#6
I have one local shop and a Guitar Center that carries them.

Pretty much everyone carries Fender though, and I have a local shop that carries Schecter.
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#7
2 of the shops in newcastle that used to sell epiphones now sell chinese tokais instead

purely cos there better and cheaper

who wants to pay 450 quid for a epi when u can have a better gutiar cheaper
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#8
Screw Gibson and Fender. Overpriced pieces of wood. Get a guitar from a custom shop like Carvin and you get what you paid for.
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one large chain still sells gibsons, a smaller one close to my house though only carries yamahas, hagstrom, godin and a single bc rich. crapload of ovation acoustic
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#10
Local Guitar center has them and so does a local shop although I don't know if they are getting any new ones.

Considering how the economy is, I think it is a bad idea for Gibson to do something like that. Most small shops can't afford to meet their demands so they will just drop Gibson all together. If that happens at enough places it could really hurt their sales.
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Local Guitar center has them and so does a local shop although I don't know if they are getting any new ones.

Considering how the economy is, I think it is a bad idea for Gibson to do something like that. Most small shops can't afford to meet their demands so they will just drop Gibson all together. If that happens at enough places it could really hurt their sales.
Well, it's out of Gibson's control now. Their distributor screwed them over and is now screwing over the stores too.
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#12
i got a store that stocks pretty much all Fender and Gibson (includes Squier and Epiphone). you could never find another guitar company in that store. and at the other one i frequently go to buys used stuff so they get a lot of diverse companies. its like a used gear guitar center except with awesome employees. oh, and i've never seen a shredder shredding on a line 6 spider in either, cause they dont stock them! XD lulz.
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This, with the exception of Fender, there not QUITE as outrageous as Gibson is, and there qaulity control has plummeted over the years, il take a MIJ guitar any day.
#14
Fender's actually worse than Gibson lately, valuewise. I'm not paying $1400 for something I could get warmoth to make for me for less.
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#15
The only local shop anywhere near me only sells Samick guitars. They had a Gibson V on the wall once, but that turned out to be one of the people who worked there's guitars, sadly enough. (I wanted it so badly)
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I think 3 or 4 of them still sell Gibsons, but ones a fairly large chain, and ones been round for decades. Another is a specialist shop which only really sells Gibsons, Epiphones, Fenders and Jacksons (odd combo i know, but they seem to like it). The last i haven't been in for months, but i'm fairly sure they have a large hollowbody Gibson in the window still


Not really that odd. That's only 2 companies, Fender and Gibson. Gibson beign obviously Gibson and Epiphone, and Fender being Fender and Jackson.
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#17
the 2 stores in my city both still carry them, but then again they make up about 1/3 of their inventory
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#18
Ts funny really, Gibson dropped rosetti in the UK and they may have saved alot of money but they just arent selling that many guitars anymore.

Their asking price has actually gone down i have been told. Fibble there are more than three i can think of afew off the top of my head. Music street, Reverb, Coda, Digital Village, Nevada Music.

There are still shops out there who do them its just a shame they arent as accessible anymore
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Fender's actually worse than Gibson lately, valuewise. I'm not paying $1400 for something I could get warmoth to make for me for less.


very true. ESPECIALLY with parts as nice as warmoth's.
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Fibble there are more than three i can think of afew off the top of my head. Music street, Reverb, Coda, Digital Village, Nevada Music.

My local shops (Andertons and Guitar Village) are also very much full o' new Gibsons.

That said, it does appear to be the case that you only find them in the larger shops. If it works for Gibson then, hey, who's to complain, and with their brand name they can probably get away with a fair bit. That said, cost cutting in a recession is only good idea if you're not also screwing your revenue at the same time...
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#21
My local shop does not sell Gibson guitars, and when I asked the salesman why he told there was no market for them around here. He did mention that they where soon getting Epiphone guitars.
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#22
My local has 3 Gibsons in. An ex-display SG ar a silly sale price, a Slash LP ar €6000 and a straight LP Custom at €4250. He carries lots of Epiphone, some Squier and Cort. In acoustics I only saw Cort and Tanglewood as brands I recognised.
I am hearing reports through the trade that the latest batches of Gibsons over in UK seem to be of better and more consistent quality than for a few years. Let's hope so.
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#23
None of the shops in my area carry anything worth a damn, let alone Gibson. The only good stuff is a random vintage gem that rolls through occasionally on trade. Hell I can't even get good cables around here. I'm gonna lose my mind if I see another Cort guitar or a Kustom amp.
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#24
in the uk since gibson dropped rosseti as the distributor and decided to distribute themselves they definatly use a minmum stock price (e.g the shop must purchase stock at £10000-not sure of figures) and this is killing gibsons market in the uk.

marshall and ibanez operate a tier system based on credit ratings for the store (ibanez have a pay in 90 days)

the tier system operates like this for ibanez (from what i`ve been told)

tier 1 low end guitars
tier 2 mid range and low end
tier 3 high end mid and low

the store credit rating is also used in conjunction with the stores ability to actually sell stock so that new minimum value orders are placed regularly.
#26
Every shop around here...'Tis weird, though I haven't checked in a month or so.
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#27
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id say screw gibson more than fender... you get what you pay for with fenders just as well, american standards/deluxe's are so smooth they basically play themselves
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#28
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There's currently only three dealers in the UK authorised to stock new Gibsons. It's actually not Gibson's fault, they got caught in a ****ty distribution deal and the distributor have ****ed everyone over. Fender have also pulled the plug on a lot of shops as they have a new policy that to sell their products you have to have £20,000 worth of Fender products (minus shop mark-up) in stock at all times. They're also ceasing to supply to any shop that advertises a certain model if the store doesn't have that exact guitar in stock at the time.

So yeah, Gibson's distributor is ****ing everyone in Europe over and Fender are ****ing over everyone themselves. ESP is the only brand at the moment that is really trying to help the smaller stores and get their products everywhere.

there must be more than 3 gibson dealers if there's one within 30 miles of where i live. It's a small shop called Knighton Music Centre. I think it has.. maybe 4?! brand new gibsons out of god knows how many of them there are in the shop

But i thought gibson were responsible for their own ****-up - a couple of months ago my local shop told me "we can't get any more gibsons because they decided to change distributor from rosetti to 'gibson UK', and now they expect us to chuck out all our gibson copies and make our display space 40% gibsons or other brands belonging to the gibson company. but with us, and many other shops in this country, what you see is what you get, so that'd be 40% of our total stock and we just can't afford it."

however i was unaware that there was a similar problem with fender.
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None of the shops in my area carry anything worth a damn, let alone Gibson. The only good stuff is a random vintage gem that rolls through occasionally on trade. Hell I can't even get good cables around here. I'm gonna lose my mind if I see another Cort guitar or a Kustom amp.

Pretty much this.

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#31
its funny because shops who just dont have that sort of buying power have been saying they have been approached by gibson, one shop in peterborough UK actually told me that they were contacted by gibson and asked to take on Gibson and Epiphone, They were such a tiny shop with the only good thing they stocked were ENGL and had never sold one.

The best place to Buy Gibsons are actually DV247.com as Digital Village can get you anything you like from Gibson and do price match whereas most other shops *Cough* Andertons *Cough* will never do that as they are so worried about their margins and getting their asses kicked by Gibson.

Second Place to buy them is going to be Music Street/Simply Music, when they stock them as from what i hear they got a very lucrative deal with gibson plus their new guy Antony Is amazing, hes the best thing about their shop really!!
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#32
This shop which is about 45 mins drive from me, World Guitars, is one of the UK's top stockists of Gibsons according to their website. I just checked and they have 44 in stock, but they can afford to stock Gibsons because most of their guitars are PRS's and sell for over £1000 a pop.

But this is the only shop I've seen which has a large number of Gibsons. Most of the other shops in my area have the few odds and ends.
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#33
The only local stored I go to deal in older/vintage instruments, so yes, they have some (little) Gibsons.
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#34
I suspect the demand for expensive guitars like Gibson is very low compared to budget rubbish for kids - hence only large or specialist hi-end stores can stock any decent amount. The 'downturn' and perceived drop in quality won't help either.

My nearest small instrument shop has had one (exorbitantly priced) Les Paul Standard 08 for around a year (they typically stock Vintage, Squier and some MIM Fenders) so either the stock requirements are new or there are ways around them.

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#35
the only place i really no is the guitar center. Its probably a ploy for Gibson to make more money and I'm guessing it's backfiring judging by this post. I doubt many local shops have the money to dump into a large amount of Gibson's which in the end will pobably hurt their sales.
#36
This happens pretty often. A long time ago, when I was taking lessons at a small shop, I asked my teacher why they only sold off-brand or no-name guitars.

Apparently whenever a store wants to stock big brands (Gibson, Fender) they have to buy a LOT of guitars (at least $10-15,000+ worth), or it's not worth the company's time.

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#37
IMO these distributors, company policies of demanding set/minimum orders or terms to orders is just cutting their own throat. You can't make a market if the customers are not buying and you can't demand a retailer to buy guitars he just can't afford. The longer something sits on the wall the less your profit. If I owned a shop I would also drop a line if I had to order a set amount or certain type of guitar. This is why I prefer to buy and sell used guitars in my spare time truthfully that's where the money is in my experience.


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#38
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This happens pretty often. A long time ago, when I was taking lessons at a small shop, I asked my teacher why they only sold off-brand or no-name guitars.

Apparently whenever a store wants to stock big brands (Gibson, Fender) they have to buy a LOT of guitars (at least $10-15,000+ worth), or it's not worth the company's time.

I think its horrible that they work this way. For people that have to drive a distance it makes it hard to check out certain guitars and test them. To try anything other then schecters I have to spend like 30 dollars in gas, which I did before buying mine, but it sucks. It also sucks because it is forcing small shops to limit to one major brand or like you said off brands, and worse putting them out of business. I dont know about you but I prefer the small shops. You actually get to know the person who runs the shop and usually get treated much better. These guitar companies are somewhat responsible for a lot of guitar shops going out of business and why the large chains are still thriving. It pisses me off. I hate it. Greedy bastards.
#40
My local M&P shop is the only one in the southside. They've become an authorized Fender dealer about a year ago. Like you said, Gibson's cutting their own throats but putting out questionable products too.

The competitions of other guitar makers is the ticket. CNC machines made it possible for budget guitars to be built better that more people are using 'em including the giggers and some artists.

My Carvins are the best deals qualitywise and moneywise.
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