#1
I only own 2 pedals, the Boss & my MXR. Once I get another cable, I'll run the MXR through my effects loop and palce the NS-2 between my guitar and amp.

Will it go: Guitar>NS-2>Amp?

I just need to rid myself of my amp's awful feedback

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#2
Quote by jcp42877
I just need to rid myself of my amp's awful feedback


Then you need to put it in your amp's effects loop.
#3
Run the noise gate In front of the amp to get rid of feedback - run it In the loop to get rid of hiss.

You can also setup the Boss NS-2 to run both in the loop and in front with the X connection.

#4
Quote by 667
Run the noise gate In front of the amp to get rid of feedback - run it In the loop to get rid of hiss.

You can also setup the Boss NS-2 to run both in the loop and in front with the X connection.




Ah.

I had it reversed then.


Whups.
#5
AHA!

now i need to buy some cables


EDIT: shiaattttt!! just realized JCM2000's have a parallel FX loop. I have the "Send" & "Return" inputs, but will it still work?!

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#6
a couple points:
(1) the method displayed on the flyer above will only work well* with the decay at full min.
(2) your loop is fine, just set the mix to 100% wet.

*having decay times from your line in repeated in your loop will mimic phasing issues (bad)
...but everyone else seems to love that damn flyer, so wtf ever...
#7
Quote by GrisKy
a couple points:
(1) the method displayed on the flyer above will only work well* with the decay at full min.
(2) your loop is fine, just set the mix to 100% wet.

*having decay times from your line in repeated in your loop will mimic phasing issues (bad)
...but everyone else seems to love that damn flyer, so wtf ever...

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forgive my ignorance, but what is 100% wet? and i'd already planned on putting the decay at full minimum. Most all demo vids i saw of the NS-2, people recommended the Decay all the way to Min. because it sucks your sustain and lengthens the signal of your guitar (i believe)

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#9
Quote by GrisKy
...but everyone else seems to love that damn flyer, so wtf ever...


The Boss NS-2 connection diagram is not a "flyer". A flyer is an advertisement leaflet. The connection diagram is an "instructional" document. I think most people are indifferent to diagram because they don't own a Boss NS-2. For those that own and NS-2, this is useful information.

The Internet was invented for the purpose of disseminating information - which is also the primary focus of this forum.
Last edited by 667 at Aug 18, 2009,
#10
wow... thanks for defining "flyer"

maybe we could write to luismcguimaraes@gmail.com to see what his background in the subject matter is, seeing as how he made the flyer, whoever the f*** he is.

...and I'm pretty sure the internet was invented for the purpose of getting free porn into the hands of kids like you who have never been laid.

TS: 100% wet means all of your signal is being sent through your parallel loop. what's the point of a looped gate if you're not going to send all of your signal through it, right?
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..and I'm pretty sure the internet was invented for the purpose of getting free porn into the hands of kids like you who have never been laid.



Or to quickly transfer data between military bases, or universities, I can't remember which came first. Point being, stop being so freaking immature, both of you.
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Or to quickly transfer data between military bases, or universities, I can't remember which came first. Point being, stop being so freaking immature, both of you.


The internet was designed by the military to establish quick communication between bases, I believe.

I remember Leo Laporte talking about it on the show he hosted, entitled "Call for Help", on TechTV quite a number of years ago.


TS: I've always ran my NS-2 in front of the amp (guitar>ns-2>amp) and I've never had any problems with feedback.

You can try the diagram that 667 posted if you are interested in running it through the effects loop. I've never done that because I don't have any effects (other than an OD and a wah).
#13
I think the ISP decimator does a better job.
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The internet was designed by the military to establish quick communication between bases, I believe.

I remember Leo Laporte talking about it on the show he hosted, entitled "Call for Help", on TechTV quite a number of years ago.

Oh ya, I think you are right. I was thinking of Torrents with the Universities thing. Torrents were designed to allow universities to transfer video and data files quickly between each other for research.
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Reported, for not being anywhere near topic.

TS, the NS-2 instructional manual also has a good tidbit on how to input, what settings to use, etc.
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#16
Quote by GrisKy
wow... thanks for defining "flyer"

maybe we could write to luismcguimaraes@gmail.com to see what his background in the subject matter is, seeing as how he made the flyer, whoever the f*** he is.

...and I'm pretty sure the internet was invented for the purpose of getting free porn into the hands of kids like you who have never been laid.

TS: 100% wet means all of your signal is being sent through your parallel loop. what's the point of a looped gate if you're not going to send all of your signal through it, right?


So it means that both the Send & Return inputs are being used? Which would describe the 4 cables needed in the diagram.

@ Kevy- Im buying it used from a guy, and he told me he doesn't have the original box or instructions...but that doesn't bother me too much.

I guess I'll just tweak around with it in different positions and see which takes the most feedback away

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#18
Quote by AmericanParadox
I think the ISP decimator does a better job.
A lot of people will disagree with you. Some people say that when the NS-2 is in the X connection (like pictured above) it blocks the noise way more then the Decimator.
#19
Quote by DIMEBAGLIVEDON
A lot of people will disagree with you. Some people say that when the NS-2 is in the X connection (like pictured above) it blocks the noise way more then the Decimator.
It does actually. I used to run a Decimator in front of my JSX and a NS-2 in the loop. No hiss, no hum no feedback.
Now I use the NS-2 in the X-Pattern and it works better than both gates together.
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#20


This is from a recent thread:

and no, the "X-Method" is wrong. It fools a lot of people because normally when something doesn't work with guitar equipment, you get some kind of obvious warning sign, like no sound. not in this case... you signal is continuous, you're just pushing the majority of your signal through the out ("send") designed for your loop, and you're effectively double-gating your loop, which in and of itself wouldn't be so bad considering how weak the NS-2 is, except that now you've created phasing issues within a single amp! So, like I was saying, use the ins/outs like they're labled, and save the send/return for your loop.

yes, the X-pattern will cause more noise reduction... at the price of a serious speedbump for your dynamics. Keep in mind that sound waves are cumulative. This is why the Decimator does a much better job of reducing noise while maintaining a constant feed from your line (guitar).

EDIT: btw, the manual will show you how to gate frontloaded pedals, not how to run both frontloaded itself and in the loop.
Last edited by GrisKy at Aug 19, 2009,
#21
I have always been wanting to buy one of these pedals...my guitar feedsback quite a bit but I don't wanna lose any tone or dynamics...or the ability to do the intro to foxey lady lol....most of my fav guitarists use noise gates...I guess I'm just scarred
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#22
Quote by GrisKy


This is from a recent thread:

and no, the "X-Method" is wrong. It fools a lot of people because normally when something doesn't work with guitar equipment, you get some kind of obvious warning sign, like no sound. not in this case... you signal is continuous, you're just pushing the majority of your signal through the out ("send") designed for your loop, and you're effectively double-gating your loop, which in and of itself wouldn't be so bad considering how weak the NS-2 is, except that now you've created phasing issues within a single amp! So, like I was saying, use the ins/outs like they're labled, and save the send/return for your loop.



This has to be true! It's from a recent thread, and it's preceded by a face-palm. It applies to everyone in every situation. So if it's working for you with good results, YOU ARE WRONG. Run out and buy the ISP!
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#23
Quote by 667
This has to be true! It's from a recent thread, and it's preceded by a face-palm. It applies to everyone in every situation. So if it's working for you with good results, YOU ARE WRONG. Run out and buy the ISP!


you completely missed the point, and I'm fairly sure you're just trying to be argumentative instead of admitting that you're wrong.

The point is NOT to run out and buy a Decimator... even if it is a better gate. The point is to run your signal through the NS-2 the way it was designed, front end through the input/output, and send/return for your loop. That way you don't double gate your looped signal (a sizeable problem even if you do have the NS-2's decay bottomed out). I have a feeling you wouldn't know bad results to compare your "good" one to in this case, so all I can really say is good luck and spend some time in a studio... you'll find out then.

EDIT: btw, I'm the source from the previous thread, so I'll go ahead and vouch for it being true.
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#24


This is from a recent thread:

and no, the "X-Method" is wrong. It fools a lot of people because normally when something doesn't work with guitar equipment, you get some kind of obvious warning sign, like no sound. not in this case... you signal is continuous, you're just pushing the majority of your signal through the out ("send") designed for your loop, and you're effectively double-gating your loop, which in and of itself wouldn't be so bad considering how weak the NS-2 is, except that now you've created phasing issues within a single amp! So, like I was saying, use the ins/outs like they're labled, and save the send/return for your loop.


yes, the X-pattern will cause more noise reduction... at the price of a serious speedbump for your dynamics. Keep in mind that sound waves are cumulative. This is why the Decimator does a much better job of reducing noise while maintaining a constant feed from your line (guitar).

EDIT: btw, the manual will show you how to gate frontloaded pedals, not how to run both frontloaded itself and in the loop.
Sorry, I found nothing in that post to be true.
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#25
Quote by GrisKy
you completely missed the point, and I'm fairly sure you're just trying to be argumentative instead of admitting that you're wrong.

The point is NOT to run out and buy a Decimator... even if it is a better gate. The point is to run your signal through the NS-2 the way it was designed, front end through the input/output, and send/return for your loop. That way you don't double gate your looped signal (a sizeable problem even if you do have the NS-2's decay bottomed out). I have a feeling you wouldn't know bad results to compare your "good" one to in this case, so all I can really say is good luck and spend some time in a studio... you'll find out then.

EDIT: btw, I'm the source from the previous thread, so I'll go ahead and vouch for it being true.



It depends on playing style and gear really.

If you need a cheap solution for noise issues in front and in the loop, depending on your playing style, the Boss might be a great solution.

If you need to run a noise gate all the time and you are worried about “dynamics”, then maybe the Boss, or the Boss in the X-pattern isn’t for you. You have to consider the gear, and how you are using it. There’s a reason why the Boss NS-2 has an on-off switch - and your guitar has a volume knob.

If you play heavy (thrash, hardcore, death) and running flat-out, “dynamics” aren’t that much of an issue imo. It's a great solution for this style. I tried the Boss - and the X pattern, and it worked fine. I just didn't like the tone hit from the Boss in general (with it on, and the threshold low, there was always noticeable volume and tone hit - albeit very slight, but it was there - no matter what configuration). For most, I think it would be fine, but for me, I'm a mental case when it comes to stuff like that. Everybody's gear is different, so maybe others don't experience this, IDK.

If you want to use it without squashing your “dynamics”, try turning your guitar down, or switch to a quieter channel and/or turn off, or reconfigure the noise gate.

If you're playing style requires you constantly maintain dynamics… the Boss NS-2 probably might not be the best choice.
Last edited by 667 at Aug 19, 2009,
#26
Quote by 667
It depends on playing style and gear really.

If you need a cheap solution for noise issues in front and in the loop, depending on your playing style, the Boss might be a great solution.

If you need to run a noise gate all the time and you are worried about “dynamics”, then maybe the Boss, or the Boss in the X-pattern isn’t for you. You have to consider the gear, and how you are using it. There’s a reason why the Boss NS-2 has an on-off switch - and your guitar has a volume knob.

If you play heavy (thrash, hardcore, death) and running flat-out, “dynamics” aren’t that much of an issue imo. It's a great solution for this style. I tried the Boss - and the X pattern, and it worked fine. I just didn't like the tone hit from the Boss in general (with it on, and the threshold low, there was always noticeable volume and tone hit - albeit very slight, but it was there - no matter what configuration). For most, I think it would be fine, but for me, I'm a mental case when it comes to stuff like that. Everybody's gear is different, so maybe others don't experience this, IDK.

If you want to use it without squashing your “dynamics”, try turning your guitar down, or switch to a quieter channel and/or turn off, or reconfigure the noise gate.

If you're playing style requires you constantly maintain dynamics… the Boss NS-2 probably might not be the best choice.



I appreciate all the advice and point of views from y'all, and I'm sure there's much more "technical" stuff involved with the NS-2 such AS dynamics and looping and whatever....but all i want is that annoying hissing feedback from my amp to go away so i get tighter riffs

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#27
Try it in front and in the loop by itself, and the X pattern. Decide for yourself what's best.

Be aware, if you have time based effects (delay, echo, etc), having those before the noise gate might prematurely clip the effect as it decays. To avoid this, put those effects after the gate, or tweak your threshold.
#28
Van: might I suggest the Yamaha Guide to Sound Reinforcement as a starting point.

667: yeah, the tone hit is pretty standard with boss stuff. as for dynamics, in the styles you listed, no dynamics are not typically a major concern, and you're right that [style] has its own vibe/sound/etc.
that's not exactly the same as the dynamics I was referring to, which is what actually happens to your soundwave inbetween your preamp feeding your signal to your poweramp with the X-method. if you'll notice, they diagram has instructions to set your decay time to "min." this helps correct the issue to the point where most cannot tell a difference. In all honesty, my ears don't notice it either, until I look at the actual wavelength. and even this is not that big of an issue in and of itself. it only becomes one in a band setting, where phasing problems go from "ho hum" to "holy **** bad" really fast. this is the kind of dynamics that your volume knob can't do much to solve, but if it's working for you, well s*** man, it's your rig. run it how you please.
#29
Quote by jcp42877
I appreciate all the advice and point of views from y'all, and I'm sure there's much more "technical" stuff involved with the NS-2 such AS dynamics and looping and whatever....but all i want is that annoying hissing feedback from my amp to go away so i get tighter riffs


ok, easy. frontload it for feedback problems, run it in the loop for amp noise. done!
#30
Quote by GrisKy
ok, easy. frontload it for feedback problems, run it in the loop for amp noise. done!


haha, i wasn't getting mad...just a bit overwhelmed. So how the Boss setup is

<-Output:Input->
<-Send:Retun->

the X method says to have guitar go in INPUT, and SEND go to the amp input, with the others going to the loop.

if i just wanted the amp in front, which inputs would i use on the pedal...input and send? or input output?

i have no other pedals except my MXR, and i heard that goes best in the loop...which is another thing...

if i use the X method, where will my MXR fit in the mix?

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#31
Use the input/output for when you connect it conventionally (in front, or in the loop - no x pattern).

I'm pretty sure the send/return on the NS is for when you want to run effects that might get squashed by the noise gate (it's a side chain). So, for example, if you have a delay pedal, and you don't want the NS to affect it, you would side chain that pedal off using the send and return on the NS as a bypass.

The send/return on the NS-2 isn't an amp FX loop thing.
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#32
Quote by 667
Use the input/output for when you connect it conventionally (in front, or in the loop - no x pattern).

I'm pretty sure the send/return on the NS is for when you want to run effects that might get squashed by the noise gate (it's a side chain). So, for example, if you have a delay pedal, and you don't want the NS to affect it, you would side chain that pedal off using the send and return on the NS as a bypass.

The send/return on the NS-2 isn't an amp FX loop thing.



Got it! thanks for breaking it down. So my MXR. It has INPUT & OUTPUT so...when its connected to the effects loop, will it hook in the SEND or RETURN, or will i need two cables to have both the IN & OUT on the MXR going into SEND & RETURN on my marshall?

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#33
With the NS in front of the amp and the MXR in the Loop...
Guitar > Boss NS Input > Boss NS Output > Amp

Amp FX send > MXR Input > MXR Output > Amp FX Return

NS in the amps FX loop with the MXR...
Amp FX send > MXR Input > MXR Output > Boss NS-2 Input > Boss NS-2 Output > Amp FX Return.

Dont use the send/return on the NS if you are not doing the X pattern, or you are not side chaining effects.
#34
Quote by 667
Use the input/output for when you connect it conventionally (in front, or in the loop - no x pattern).

I'm pretty sure the send/return on the NS is for when you want to run effects that might get squashed by the noise gate (it's a side chain). So, for example, if you have a delay pedal, and you don't want the NS to affect it, you would side chain that pedal off using the send and return on the NS as a bypass.

The send/return on the NS-2 isn't an amp FX loop thing.


no, it's not a side-chain. check the manual. it says to place delays and reverbs after the NS-2. it also says it'll reduce the noise of FX inbetween the send and return... which means it'll do the same thing in your loop. it just won't do it well because it doesn't have the threshold to gate a high gain amp (assuming your amp is of the high gain variety. it'll do fine for cleaner amps).
#35
^ Yea, I don't have the Boss anymore - I should have checked the manual though. . I just making an assumption.
So the send/return on the NS is specifically for the FX loop?

Thanks for clearing it up.
#36
Quote by 667
^ Yea, I don't have the Boss anymore - I should have checked the manual though. . I just making an assumption.
So the send/return on the NS is specifically for the FX loop?

Thanks for clearing it up.


that's where it gets a bit fishy, as the manual only shows it gating pedals, but I've used one in a loop with the send/return before with success. The recordings came out even enough.

EDIT: just to be clear though, it is for looping purposes in general. that is to say that whatever signal you run through there, be it from pedals or a preamp, it'll run through the gate, Boss buffer and all.
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#37
Hi there,I will trouble you with a problem that i encountered just now with my setup.
I am using a koch twintone II head and a boss Ns-2 in the x-pattern conection.The problem is,that when i set the volume for the amp above half way up,on the od channel,and switch over to the od+ channel of the amp,a microfonic squeal,appears.As i change the settings that deal with the highs on this channel(treble and presence),the squeal change's it's oscilation pattern.The problem is it only appears at louder volumes,but it is imposible to be played with.What seems to be the problem?I have changed the cables,and tried different power supplys for the boss,but the problem persists.Please could you help with some valid opinions,or solutions to resolve this?
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#38
sounds like a new thread, but just to guess based on what you've said thus far, either you've got a microphonic tube (is one glowing hotter than the others?), or you're causing feedback with the OD+ channel that might have way too much gain, that is if I understood you correctly. Is the "oscilation pattern" you mentioned before a change in frequency, or does it sound like phasing? what I understand from your post is that you adjusted your EQ to offset the squeeling, but the end result was just a different tone of squeeling, correct? and what was once before a usable setting now has way way too much high-end? that sounds to me very much like micrphonics. there is a small chance that it has to do with your power supply to the amp (try another outlet), or you might be picking up radiowaves with your amp... doesn't exactly sound like what you described, but it causes similaar problems. short of building a faraday cage, i'd say test your amp at another location, and pay close attention to your tubes.
#39
super old thread i know but i need some help!

i have a H&K switchblade 100 head, things super noisy and not because of pedals or anything. im only using 3 pedals right now. i want to hush up the amps noise itself with my ns2. i also have a SD pickup booster and of course a boss tu2 tuner. what should my chain look like? everything will be powered by the behringer pb100 and its built in power supply if that matters.

any help is much appreciated.