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Kartman
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As a guitar player and avid UGer of four years, I've been shocked to find that there is no thread on perhaps the greatest fusion guitarist of the 20th and 21st centuries.

John McLaughlin (of Mahavishnu Orchestra and Miles Davis quintet) has changed the way I look at the guitar.

From sonic flurries of 16th notes from Mahavishnu or the subtle yet effective comping on Miles Davis's Right Off, John is my new guitar hero. Let's discuss the legend here.

First of all, what's your favorite Maha album and why? I'm going with Vision of the Emerald Beyond, solely for the first 5 songs of the album.
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Gris-Gris-Man
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#2
i made a John McLaughlin thread awhile ago, but no one posted in it, so it just dropped off the face of the earth.

favorite Mahavishnu album would have to be "Birds of Fire"...the title track has one of the most menacing arpeggios i've ever heard. the song "Hope" has so much emotion in it, and its one of my favorite songs to play. other songs on the album that amaze me are "Sanctuary" "One Word" and "Open Country Joy". its just a great album

i do own all the maha albums up to Inner Worlds besides Between Nothingness and Eternity...which im always on the lookout for.
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#3
inner mounting flame....

saw them live at a very small club...three nights in a row....unreal...

play well

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Zeds.Ded
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#4
did Billy Cobham play with the Mahavishnu?
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Kartman
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^Yes he did, on their first two albums.
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#7
I was JUST listening to Awaken off of the Inner Mounting Flame..then it switched to Pantera. Needless to say, the transition kind of sucked.

I only have the Inner Mounting Flame, but I'll probably get Birds of Fire in a while. My favorite track is probably Noonward Race.
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#8
Favorite Maha would be The Inner Mounting Flame, although Between Nothingness and Eternity is pretty good as well. That being said, I have yet to get Birds of Fire, so I'll be doing that before too long. But my favorite McLaughlin album (not counting the Miles stuff) would probably be My Goal's Beyond, with Extrapolation a close second. Fantastic albums they are.
Zeds.Ded
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i just got Visions of an emerald beyond, ive never listened to them before and only decided to check them out because of this thread and the fact that i also listen to Billy Cobham, thanks for introducing them to me, they are bloody brilliant!
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#11
Oh Man... I loved seeing him and Chick Corea with the Five Peice Band, both him and Chick are quite amazing... not to mention the other guys they were playing with.
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jealous! I have the live album - it's kick ass.


Ya, on the live album Vinnie Coluiata is the drummer, but when we saw them, the drummer was this guy named Brian Blade, he's sick, he plays with like Wayne Shorter and a bunch of other people. But it was wierd, cause after we saw them, we bought that album, and it was sort of diffrent then the show we saw, I liked hearing Brian. Vinnie is also a kick-ass drummer though.
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strange I was actually under the impression that the drummer was Gary Husband for the 5 peace band. but knowing JMc's past history with drummers, it's interesting that he chose Brian Blade to play with live (if that is truly the case), because he usually plays with powerhouse drummers (Cobham/Tony Williams/Dennis Chambers/Trilok Gurtu), and Brian Blade has more of a finessed and laidback vibe....

in any case, the 5 peace band has traditionally had a rotating cast, so it's not surprising.
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Quote by Zeds.Ded
i just got Visions of an emerald beyond, ive never listened to them before and only decided to check them out because of this thread and the fact that i also listen to Billy Cobham, thanks for introducing them to me, they are bloody brilliant!



I'm glad to have an impact on your listening. You should cite me when MTV is interviewing you about your eclectic music tastes
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#16
noted, but im quite egotistical and will probably say i found them on lastfm or something
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Quote by Axegrinder#9
strange I was actually under the impression that the drummer was Gary Husband for the 5 peace band. but knowing JMc's past history with drummers, it's interesting that he chose Brian Blade to play with live (if that is truly the case), because he usually plays with powerhouse drummers (Cobham/Tony Williams/Dennis Chambers/Trilok Gurtu), and Brian Blade has more of a finessed and laidback vibe....

in any case, the 5 peace band has traditionally had a rotating cast, so it's not surprising.


I saw them live with Blade, and I think he was a very intense drummer, just his playing is rooted more in the jazz vein compared to the other drummers you mentioned who are all best known for their fusion work (except for Tony Williams of course). But yeah, it's amazing after hearing the live CD with Vinnie how much difference the change of drummer made to the whole band's vibe.




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what Miles albums do you guys enjoy that feature John?
Favorite for me is "On the Corner"...his licks in the first tune are quite one of a kind.

also anyone dig "Devotion"?
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Quote by Gris-Gris-Man
what Miles albums do you guys enjoy that feature John?
Favorite for me is "On the Corner"...his licks in the first tune are quite one of a kind.

also anyone dig "Devotion"?


obviously Bitches Brew.
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Quote by Gris-Gris-Man
what Miles albums do you guys enjoy that feature John?
Favorite for me is "On the Corner"...his licks in the first tune are quite one of a kind.

also anyone dig "Devotion"?


Tribute to Jack Johnson fo sho. JMc's guitar sounds like a dinosaur tripping on some heavy acid, when the music kicks in.

Also from that period, there's a rare EP, called "Les Catacombes" featuring JMc on guitar, Chick Corea on the Rhodes, dave holland on bass, and Jack DeJohnette on drums. I believe it was recorded in Paris. highly recommended!!
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#21
I really love anything from the Bitches Brew sessions... his solo on Miles Runs The Voodoo Down is grooving. However, I also love his solos in Right Off as well. It's incredible how his style between the two albums is so drastically different. One is very jazzy-fusion, one is pretty blues-based (Right Off).
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#22
...I really enjoyed the Trio Of Doom album, haven't looked into his other stuff yet though.
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Quote by Axegrinder#9
Tribute to Jack Johnson fo sho. JMc's guitar sounds like a dinosaur tripping on some heavy acid, when the music kicks in.

Also from that period, there's a rare EP, called "Les Catacombes" featuring JMc on guitar, Chick Corea on the Rhodes, dave holland on bass, and Jack DeJohnette on drums. I believe it was recorded in Paris. highly recommended!!

ill have to try to find that! im always looking for other albums he could be on. yea and i agree his guitar sound is quite unique, dinosaur trippin on acid may be the best way to describe it.

I found "Live-Evil" for under 10 bucks! Jackpot right? John has some pretty sick licks on that album as well.

o yea, Shakti rules!
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o yea, Shakti rules!


good deal on the Live Evil album.

Shakti - I would highly recommend trying to get your hands on some video footage. They have a couple of DVDs and I know there's hi-def video recordings of recent concerts floating around online. to see improvisation at that level... mighty shaet!
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I've got the Inner Mounting Flame and it's excellent, to say the least. Has anyone heard the album with John McLaughlin and Carlos Santana? Is it worth getting?
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#26
I've got so much McLaughlin... IMF, BOF, and the Lost Trident Sessions. got some Shakti, some Trio of Doom, and some of his solo stuff.

It's hard to pick a fav
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Quote by Alter-Bridge
I've got the Inner Mounting Flame and it's excellent, to say the least. Has anyone heard the album with John McLaughlin and Carlos Santana? Is it worth getting?

yea LOVE DEVOTION SURRENDER is the name of that collaboration, such an excellent album. the guitar work is awesome, McLaughlin smokes that album
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Quote by Gris-Gris-Man
yea LOVE DEVOTION SURRENDER is the name of that collaboration, such an excellent album. the guitar work is awesome, McLaughlin smokes that album


that album is pure gold. I love how during the intro to 'Trane's "Naima" both of them trem pick in unison to substitute for the long drawn notes that are part of the original version as recorded by Trane.
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Quote by Axegrinder#9
that album is pure gold. I love how during the intro to 'Trane's "Naima" both of them trem pick in unison to substitute for the long drawn notes that are part of the original version as recorded by Trane.

yea man they really captured the ambiance of coltrane, great emotion on that album
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i don't mean to double post, but "Between Nothingness and Eternity" is a really amazing album. McLaughlin and Cobham are amazing on this recording.

O and the best part is when McLaughlin throws in the sunshine of your love riff at the 10:20 mark of "Dream"
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#31
^I've yet to get it. I'm really in love with Mahavishnu though, here's my order of favorite albums that I own:

1. Visions of the Emerald Beyond
2. Apocalypse
3. Birds of Fire
4. The Inner Mounting Flame

I'd really like to get BNaE and Inner Worlds, despite its negative reviews.
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it's really unfortunate that there aren't really any good quality live material with the original Mahavishnu line-up. Moreover, from what little of their live stuff that I've seen MO seemed to struggle a bit to achieve a coherent sound during the live shows. JMc's gritty raw guitar sound, never seemed to translate as well live - and ended up sounding almost unpolished. Rick Laird and Jerry Goodman were always kinda inconsistent in the overall mix too.

I know there's a live Syracuse show from '73 or maybe '72 that I've been trying to get a hold of, but it's been kinda hard.
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Quote by Axegrinder#9
it's really unfortunate that there aren't really any good quality live material with the original Mahavishnu line-up. Moreover, from what little of their live stuff that I've seen MO seemed to struggle a bit to achieve a coherent sound during the live shows. JMc's gritty raw guitar sound, never seemed to translate as well live - and ended up sounding almost unpolished. Rick Laird and Jerry Goodman were always kinda inconsistent in the overall mix too.

I know there's a live Syracuse show from '73 or maybe '72 that I've been trying to get a hold of, but it's been kinda hard.

are you kidding me? you really don't dig Johns playing on Between Nothingness? i thought he sounded on top of his game, and practically out of this world.

the syracuse show that you speak of is the black and white one they have on youtube if i remember correctly. that was definitely one of the best performances i've seen/heard from MO. i wish that was on CD
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are you kidding me? you really don't dig Johns playing on Between Nothingness? i thought he sounded on top of his game, and practically out of this world.


ah I actually forgot about that album. I was refering to some of the other soundboard mixes/bootlegs and videos that I've seen.

Between Nothingness and Eternity is definitely a great album fo sho. Anyway I wasn't talking so much about the quality of playing, more the general mix of sound and clarity. I can imagine they'd be a challenging band to mix well!
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Quote by Axegrinder#9
ah I actually forgot about that album. I was refering to some of the other soundboard mixes/bootlegs and videos that I've seen.

Between Nothingness and Eternity is definitely a great album fo sho. Anyway I wasn't talking so much about the quality of playing, more the general mix of sound and clarity. I can imagine they'd be a challenging band to mix well!

o ok man, yea i agree...they got a really wicked sound
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john mclaughlin is my favorite guitar player right now. a very interesting thing about him, that i find his playing is deeply simple, like how its organized. it has a certain elegance to it you know? unlike other guitar players it not, how should it put it 'vulgar.' very graceful. and he knows rhythm and he knows how to play 'against time' like the back of his hand. his phrasing is stretched out over many bars and is second to none. and what else it there to say, he plays pure blood-thirsty, harsh, delicate music, he can do it all
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Mahavishnu...not for the faint-hearted. Favorite composition would have to be "One Word" because of the "conversation" between the guitar, keyboard, and violin.
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does anyone know what footage is on the Mahavishnu DVD? is it the first or second group?

ive seen some stuff on youtube that has montreux footage, would that be it?
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#40
Their releasing a DVD!!! Must have it, hope its the first lineup, not that I mind second but first would be amazing.