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#1
Im getting a bit bored with with my current rig. Love the tone but hate the fact it produces way to much noise and I have to have a noise supressor maxed to cure it. But then im sucking my tone dry and killing dynamics. Also a bit more versatility without the need for two amps would be nice to have and a bit easier of a tap dance.

So heres what im debating..

Trading my 6505+ and Ampeg vh140c for a higher end head. Really gassin for a Randall mts series but there extremely hard to come by where im at. And I have got a line on a Mesa Triple Rectifier Solo Head that I might be able to trade for. But me and mesa's tend to have a love hate relationship.

So what do yall think.. Keep my current rig and deal with it or trade her for something new.

Thanks
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#2
Your Ampeg has that much noise???

Mine had none, that amp was silent. The only amp I've ever had that was noisy as **** was my 5150


I think it could be a good idea, depending on what you go for. The MTS are great for versatility, but I got bored of the tones I was getting out of mine after a while, you need the customized mods to really make it sound great IMO. I would only get a Recto if you can get a 2 channel, or grab a Trem-O-Verb.
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#3
I have watched this rig grow since it was wedged into a closet. But I know what you mean, you are getting to the point that with the amount of gear you have you'd probably be better off trading up for a more versatile rig. I think Mesa would be a logical step for you. Maybe Splawn or Diezel would be good options as well?

Admit it, you just like looking for gear, not so much owning/playing it.
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#4
Noise doesn't come from the amp. The amp makes the sound it recieves louder....

Noise comes from your Guitar / Pedals / Cables / Power Supplies.

Want proof?

Unplug the instrument cables from the Iput / Effects Send and Effects Recieve jacks.
Crank the volume and gain to 10.

How does the noise sound now? Sure there may be a little, but not to the extent that makes you want new amp..

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#5
Where is all this noise you're hearing coming from? The 6505? cables? too many pedals in the signal path? guitar wiring/pickups?

I get noise, but always have with high gain amps. Neither of my gates hinder my playing or amps dymanics though.

If you want more dynamics and open, yet aggressive tones look into a Soldano.
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#6
Quote by MatrixClaw
Your Ampeg has that much noise???

Mine had none, that amp was silent. The only amp I've ever had that was noisy as **** was my 5150


I think it could be a good idea, depending on what you go for. The MTS are great for versatility, but I got bored of the tones I was getting out of mine after a while, you need the customized mods to really make it sound great IMO. I would only get a Recto if you can get a 2 channel, or grab a Trem-O-Verb.


The ampeg is pretty quite I do give it that. But when its on and my 6505+ are on at the same time I get hum coming from both amps (more so the 6505+). That coupled with slight feedback since I dont have a noise gate on it. So without getting a Pro Rack G or getting it its own noise gate its a annoyance when i'm running them in stereo. And then theres the super noisy 6505+ on top of that giving me grief.

Yea thats the only thing I was worried about, but I do have some modded modules lined up that I want to get. As for recto's im clueless because I haven't spent enough seat time with them. But figured it would be a good jump and then jump up at a later time.


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I have watched this rig grow since it was wedged into a closet. But I know what you mean, you are getting to the point that with the amount of gear you have you'd probably be better off trading up for a more versatile rig. I think Mesa would be a logical step for you. Maybe Splawn or Diezel would be good options as well?

Admit it, you just like looking for gear, not so much owning/playing it.


Yup, getting tired of the budget rig of doom lol. Not much a of a British tone fan but its growing on me so probably no splawn. Diezel Herbert is the end all amp I want but that will take me quite a few more up-trades lol.

To a point I can agree with that.. But honestly here is what happened. I finally hit the end of the road I found my perfect tone with this rig. But by concentrating on the quest I wasnt paying attention to little things like noise and so on. Now that I have found the tone and no more tweaking is envolved all the little things are poppin out at me. So I cant enjoy my tone that I have worked so hard to get. Plus playing on quite expensive amps that accomplished my tone without pedals made me see the light long ago lol

Quote by jonmo1
Noise doesn't come from the amp. The amp makes the sound it recieves louder....

Noise comes from your Guitar / Pedals / Cables / Power Supplies.

Want proof?

Unplug the instrument cables from the Iput / Effects Send and Effects Recieve jacks.
Crank the volume and gain to 10.

How does the noise sound now? Sure there may be a little, but not to the extent that makes you want new amp..


Hum from running amps in stereo and not wanting to spend 4 grand in cables on top of massive amounts of feed back because im running pedals to acheive my perfect tone equals me wanting a new amp. If I could acheive my tone with everything unplugged by using telepathy then yes you are correct I wouldnt need a new amp...

Quote by Van Noord
Where is all this noise you're hearing coming from? The 6505? cables? too many pedals in the signal path? guitar wiring/pickups?

I get noise, but always have with high gain amps. Neither of my gates hinder my playing or amps dymanics though.

If you want more dynamics and open, yet aggressive tones look into a Soldano.


All of the above... I run my signal hot to get my tone and have multiple pedals in my chain so im looking for something a bit less cumbersome basically. Guitar->OD (if needed->Amp sort of rig.
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There is definitely something to be said about guitar -> amp.


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#8
If you can quickly sell and manage to get 1700 usd, and dont mind a drive theres a Diezel Einstein head selling in Houston for that price
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If you can quickly sell and manage to get 1700 usd, and dont mind a drive theres a Diezel Einstein head selling in Houston for that price


Thanks for the update
Just wasnt to found of the Einstein when I tested it for br00talz.

Heres my list of amps i have the gas for..
Diezel Herbert
Bogner Uberschall
Randall MTS modded
Engl of some sort
Framus of some sort
Mesa of some sort
#10
Ah i see. Well if you are willing to drive to any other major texas cities,(Austin,houston,San Antonio, Dallas) just be checking those CL's. I've found great deals on some pretty high end amps
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Ah i see. Well if you are willing to drive to any other major texas cities,(Austin,houston,San Antonio, Dallas) just be checking those CL's. I've found great deals on some pretty high end amps


Those are my next stop on the craigslist train actually
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Quote by IbanezPsycho

Hum from running amps in stereo and not wanting to spend 4 grand in cables on top of massive amounts of feed back because im running pedals to acheive my perfect tone equals me wanting a new amp. If I could acheive my tone with everything unplugged by using telepathy then yes you are correct I wouldnt need a new amp...


You didn't say that in your post.

You said want a new amp because your rig makes too much noise, and it would be nice to be able to use 1 amp instead of 2. No mention of wanting the same tone without the padals.

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Quote by jonmo1
You didn't say that in your post.

You said want a new amp because your rig makes too much noise, and it would be nice to be able to use 1 amp instead of 2. No mention of wanting the same tone without the padals.


I know man, its just a given what generates the noise and that im playing two high gain rigs together.. My Apologies
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Quote by IbanezPsycho
I know man, its just a given what generates the noise and that im playing two high gain rigs together.. My Apologies


Cool..No worries...

P.S. In a forum like this, there's no such thing as "it's a given"....LOL.

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#15
This may sound dumb, but maybe the 6505 you have isn't housed correctly and may leak some radio waves in and cause feedback?

Though i have never played the br00talz, i'm wondering what amp you are going to go for.

But given i was in your shoes, i would save up, and get a kickass amp that everyone would awe at. (Soldano SLO makes me awe )
#16
Have you tried running one of the amps colder and cleaner sounding? Then have the other wide open and screaming. This may result in a cleaner, bigger and less noisey high gain tone.
I would also try ditching some pedals in the signal path. All those cables, power supplies and the pedals themselves can be as you said, cumbersome.
I just see that as laying bricks, one by one, across a free flowing stream.
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Quote by Van Noord
Have you tried running one of the amps colder and cleaner sounding? Then have the other wide open and screaming. This may result in a cleaner, bigger and less noisey high gain tone.
I would also try ditching some pedals in the signal path. All those cables, power supplies and the pedals themselves can be as you said, cumbersome.
I just see that as laying bricks, one by one, across a free flowing stream.


Even with the amp including no sound at all the hum goes off the charts. As for killing the feed back issue I have ran the ampeg colder but the bulk of my tone comes from the 6505 so running it as the cleaner amp would kill my tone. And I agree with ya, at most I really just like running an od and keeping it simple. But I had to have the addition of the pedals to get the tone I was after so without them im basically toneless with this rig so without the bricks I never would have gotten across the stream to my destination
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I'd suggest selling what you can and buying either one of the nicer Mesa's, something like a Road King or Trem-o-verb, or (my personal choice) buy a used Uberschall (I've seen 'em as low as 1800). After you get tired with either of those sell it and move onto the Diezel.
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#19
if the Herbert is your ultimate amp, and you're looking at all those others too, might as well save up the 1k difference and go for your dream amp man. Either that, or if you love your tone now, and just want the noise more manageable, have you considered a better A/B/Y box? Ground loops and phase issues can really play havoc with noise on multi amp setups, a quality active switcher can take care of a lot of that.
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if the Herbert is your ultimate amp, and you're looking at all those others too, might as well save up the 1k difference and go for your dream amp man. Either that, or if you love your tone now, and just want the noise more manageable, have you considered a better A/B/Y box? Ground loops and phase issues can really play havoc with noise on multi amp setups, a quality active switcher can take care of a lot of that.


The issue is finding one used and local. I've yet to see a Herbert where im at I would have to stumble on one to get it and hope that I have the cash on me at the time. But the other amps on my list, I at least know of a dealer or where I can find them used from time to time. And then there is the wife issue up-trading is alot easier of a blow then dropping $3-$4K on an amp if you get my drift.

As for ground loops even when the ampeg is not connected and im straight in the 6505+ I get the hum once the two are on. Its pretty much a shielding problem from what I could trace down and I dont have the time rip both amps apart and shield them. As for the feedback its still present in the 6505+ the way im running it even out of stereo mode.

Any other suggestions
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hehe, well man, the Pro Rack G modded for the dual channel option would be one way to keep your rig now, and keep it silent. It really is the best noise suppressor out there IMO.

Out of the amps you listed that you are considering though, they are all pretty killer depending on taste. Part of the hobby for me is the thrill of getting to experiment with different gear, so I like that option. Herbert would be my recommendation if you are going to spend that kind of loot, but I hear ya on the problems you're facing with that.

The Randall is a good choice. The Salvation modded modules are pretty sick, I heard a Cobra and VH4 mod he recently came out with, and the clips sounded really good. Maybe not exact replicas, but definitely great in their own right. Pretty highly regarded amps too, that's a definite option, and pretty much a gas killer since you can always change modules.

If you want that boosted feel and tone though, without using an actual boost, that kind of limits some of those options, at least it would for me. The Uber I really liked a lot, however I didn't care for it without a boost, too round for my tastes. The recto series is the same way for me. Killer with a boost, but without one I'm left kind of wanting. All just personal preference though, you might feel completely different. The Cobra is a great amp too, although really needs volume to shine, even moreso than the other amps IMO. That, and have to be really careful what cab you pair it with. The best I've heard has been the VHT P50E loaded cab or the matching Cobra cab with greenbacks.

The ENGL's have that boosted feel and sound without using a boost, so that might be a great option. What ones have you tried that you really liked? The FB100 is a pretty killer amp, along with the PB if you like the tone. Both have some serious gain and compression, but they can sound killer. Takes a bit to dial though, and can get lost in a mix if you're not careful. If you want more open tones, the Savage 120 and Invader could fit the bill. There is also the blackmore if you want some versatility along with bringing the heavy. Not sure it's going to be thick enough for your tastes though. All preference however.
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#22
Quote by IbanezPsycho
The ampeg is pretty quite I do give it that. But when its on and my 6505+ are on at the same time I get hum coming from both amps (more so the 6505+).

Are you sure it's not your A/B/Y box?

My Radial ABY has a bunch of ground and phase switches that get rid of this. When you're plugged into two amps in stereo, you'll get hum.

*edit* Dammit, Eric beat me


Peavey amps are horrendously feedbacky, the one huge downfall to them... if you own one of those amps, you either need to do some work on the inside, or you NEED a noise gate to play it any louder than speaking levels.

Honestly, if you have the cash, I'd definitely sell everything and go for a Herbert, I saw an Uberschall for sale the other day for $1500 as well, sweet deal, wish I had the cash
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hehe, well man, the Pro Rack G modded for the dual channel option would be one way to keep your rig now, and keep it silent. It really is the best noise suppressor out there IMO.

Yup, looking at it to fix the issue is what started the debate actually.. Spending $500 bucks on a bandaid that could be spent on a new amp.

Out of the amps you listed that you are considering though, they are all pretty killer depending on taste. Part of the hobby for me is the thrill of getting to experiment with different gear, so I like that option. Herbert would be my recommendation if you are going to spend that kind of loot, but I hear ya on the problems you're facing with that.

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The Randall is a good choice. The Salvation modded modules are pretty sick, I heard a Cobra and VH4 mod he recently came out with, and the clips sounded really good. Maybe not exact replicas, but definitely great in their own right. Pretty highly regarded amps too, that's a definite option, and pretty much a gas killer since you can always change modules.

Yup, I have played on one with stock modules and it was a bit flat sounding little low on flavor so its been stashed at the bottom of my list. But then I heard the Salvation mods and a few others and was blown away. Then that coupled with versatility for a guy that loves to mod, tinker and switch out tones. Seems like my best option but they are also hard to come by down here. The only dealer I know of pretty much stopped selling them. So the market wasnt flooded enough to get a good amount of used ones out.

If you want that boosted feel and tone though, without using an actual boost, that kind of limits some of those options, at least it would for me. The Uber I really liked a lot, however I didn't care for it without a boost, too round for my tastes. The recto series is the same way for me. Killer with a boost, but without one I'm left kind of wanting. All just personal preference though, you might feel completely different. The Cobra is a great amp too, although really needs volume to shine, even moreso than the other amps IMO. That, and have to be really careful what cab you pair it with. The best I've heard has been the VHT P50E loaded cab or the matching Cobra cab with greenbacks.

Loved the Uber when I played and I hear ya on the round part but it has been the only amp I have plugged straight into and needed nothing for it to sound amazing. Adding the boost on top just sweetens the deal But im wondering if I would get bored with the tone after a while. Thats my only kick back with that amp..

The ENGL's have that boosted feel and sound without using a boost, so that might be a great option. What ones have you tried that you really liked? The FB100 is a pretty killer amp, along with the PB if you like the tone. Both have some serious gain and compression, but they can sound killer. Takes a bit to dial though, and can get lost in a mix if you're not careful. If you want more open tones, the Savage 120 and Invader could fit the bill. There is also the blackmore if you want some versatility along with bringing the heavy. Not sure it's going to be thick enough for your tastes though. All preference however.

Only one I have actually gotten my hands on was a Fireball. I liked the overall tone but it being 50 watts and lacking in some eq areas made me stray a bit from it. But Engl has always been at the back of my head as a possibility at a later date if I can get my hands on some different models. And super thick is what im looking for with a side of versatility and no noise.

Hope that helps out some..



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Quote by MatrixClaw
Are you sure it's not your A/B/Y box?

My Radial ABY has a bunch of ground and phase switches that get rid of this. When you're plugged into two amps in stereo, you'll get hum.

*edit* Dammit, Eric beat me

The hum has always been there. Without the aby with the homemade aby and with the tripler. Once both amps are kicked on I get super hum, thought the Furman might fix it but it did not. Im pretty sure its a shielding issue at this point.


Peavey amps are horrendously feedbacky, the one huge downfall to them... if you own one of those amps, you either need to do some work on the inside, or you NEED a noise gate to play it any louder than speaking levels.

Yup, and thats why im trying to stray away from them. My old ultra the feebback was managable but with the 6505+ woo boy she goes off in the feedback area. Example NS2 has to be dimed across the board to keep her quite and it still sneaks through.

Honestly, if you have the cash, I'd definitely sell everything and go for a Herbert, I saw an Uberschall for sale the other day for $1500 as well, sweet deal, wish I had the cash

Wish I had the cash believe me... I've already informed the wife that someday i'm going to get it so be prepared.

But right now its just not doable. Unless I get someone that wants to trade for my rig which more then likely wont happen
And thats the same for the uberschall but it is atleast is more obtainable..




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well man, if you dug the Uberschall, I think that's definitely do-able. The prices on the current models may drop some more as more Twin Jets hit the market too.

also, if you dug the Fireball, but wanted a bit more beef, the Fireball 100 is a good option. The 100W OT and mid boost options really help that thing get some mean tones. My friend had one, and thought it got really close to the SE in terms of girth and voicing. That 100W OT adds a nice thump. The price should easily be in range for you too, new they are around 1600, but I've already seen used ones in the 1300 range. That should improve a bit too as more hit the market.
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well man, if you dug the Uberschall, I think that's definitely do-able. The prices on the current models may drop some more as more Twin Jets hit the market too.

also, if you dug the Fireball, but wanted a bit more beef, the Fireball 100 is a good option. The 100W OT and mid boost options really help that thing get some mean tones. My friend had one, and thought it got really close to the SE in terms of girth and voicing. That 100W OT adds a nice thump. The price should easily be in range for you too, new they are around 1600, but I've already seen used ones in the 1300 range. That should improve a bit too as more hit the market.


Yup right now I think its a toss up between the Randall MTS then getting modules here and there as I get cash. I just found a RM4 with two modules for $600 im eye ballin. Might be able to sell the Ampeg and use the power section of the 6505 for the time being or vice versus. And then there is the Bogner Uberschall if one pops up again. And I have been looking at the Fireball 100 but your the first one to mention anything about it tone wise. So that said its gonna be a highly probable choice now.

Thanks again man I always value your input...
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I haven't read all the posts so far so if I've missed something, apologies. But have you tried a Framus Dragon before?
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I haven't read all the posts so far so if I've missed something, apologies. But have you tried a Framus Dragon before?


Nope havent gotten my hands on anything Framus yet besides there cabs..
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Quote by IbanezPsycho
Yup right now I think its a toss up between the Randall MTS then getting modules here and there as I get cash. I just found a RM4 with two modules for $600 im eye ballin. Might be able to sell the Ampeg and use the power section of the 6505 for the time being or vice versus. And then there is the Bogner Uberschall if one pops up again. And I have been looking at the Fireball 100 but your the first one to mention anything about it tone wise. So that said its gonna be a highly probable choice now.

Thanks again man I always value your input...

np man, glad to help. My friend had the SE to A/B against both Fireball versions, and really liked the FB100. It addressed alot of the complaints people had with the 60W version.
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np man, glad to help. My friend had the SE to A/B against both Fireball versions, and really liked the FB100. It addressed alot of the complaints people had with the 60W version.


Hmm good to know.. Because the 60w had quite a ways to go to get it up to par.


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Hmmm... have you ever bought expensive gear without trying them first hand?


Generally I try not to purchase anything before trying it unless its a pedal with a return policy. Amp wise the only one I purchased without testing was my Ampeg. The 6505+ I tested out for a good 6 months before making the plunge. Thats the main delimma I have when purchasing and looking for gear. We are flooded with Mesa's, Marshall's and Peavey's. Everything else is a crap shoot.
#32
I struggle to even find a Mesa here in Ireland. I use thomann.de to buy amps and if I don't like them, I have 30 days to send it back. It normally costs about €50-80 in postage, so I can't do it regularly, though.
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I struggle to even find a Mesa here in Ireland. I use thomann.de to buy amps and if I don't like them, I have 30 days to send it back. It normally costs about €50-80 in postage, so I can't do it regularly, though.


Yup, dont have that kind of money to shell out on a return. Usually I just sit and wait for something to pop up in a local Guitar Center, Mom and pop shop or Craigslist.


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I ran the Randall with a couple modules recently at work. They are nice but not really true to the amps they were "modeling". I'm sure some will disagree with that, but they weren't there.


Ill check them out again its been a while..

Dont really mind the true to the amps modeling with the randalls. Honestly I dont really care about the name slapped on something. If it has a good tone I dig, then Ill buy it.
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I hear ya and I concur. The Randall modules all sounded nice like I said. Being able to change them is a huge asset. We have a green lynch box head and some modules on close out. (still a lot higher than a used one) It's signed by George, but that doesn't affect the tone much.

Check out that scorpion if you can.
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Quote by gregs1020
I hear ya and I concur. The Randall modules all sounded nice like I said. Being able to change them is a huge asset. We have a green lynch box head and some modules on close out. (still a lot higher than a used one) It's signed by George, but that doesn't affect the tone much.

Check out that scorpion if you can.





Also talking to the guy about the Mesa Triple Rec.. Might be able to do my 6505+ and some cash like say $200-$250 for it.. What do yall think? Whats the deal with the triples I know there is one model most state they hate? Forgot if it was the Triple or the Dual....
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Also talking to the guy about the Mesa Triple Rec.. Might be able to do my 6505+ and some cash like say $200-$250 for it.. What do yall think? Whats the deal with the triples I know there is one model most state they hate? Forgot if it was the Triple or the Dual....

I really liked the triple I had, but it was an old 2ch version. Didn't really care for the 3ch DRec I had, or the Recto Recording Pre which I really didn't like. The 2ch TRec was tighter and punchier, and didn't get that kazoo like fizz I could hear in the 3ch versions. Could have been user error I suppose, but I've played (2) 2ch TRecs pretty extensively, and both were easy to dial and get a great tone with fairly quickly. I'd really like to try a 2ch DRec to see if it's the older 2 channel versions or extra wattage I liked better. YMMV of course, some people prefer the 3ch versions.
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I really liked the triple I had, but it was an old 2ch version. Didn't really care for the 3ch DRec I had, or the Recto Recording Pre which I really didn't like. The 2ch TRec was tighter and punchier, and didn't get that kazoo like fizz I could hear in the 3ch versions. Could have been user error I suppose, but I've played (2) 2ch TRecs pretty extensively, and both were easy to dial and get a great tone with fairly quickly. I'd really like to try a 2ch DRec to see if it's the older 2 channel versions or extra wattage I liked better. YMMV of course, some people prefer the 3ch versions.


Hmmmm its a three channel...

But it would be a step in the right direction as far as using it as a card to play in my quest for something else if I dont like it.

so many options to choose from so many different paths I can take.. lol
#39
i know i tell everyone this but you would probably like a sovtek or a red bear or even just a simple jcm 800. My red bear is capable of as much gain as a 5150 but is much more harmonically rich, dynamic, and open
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i know i tell everyone this but you would probably like a sovtek or a red bear or even just a simple jcm 800. My red bear is capable of as much gain as a 5150 but is much more harmonically rich, dynamic, and open


Im not a big fan of british voiced amps.. I love them for the thrash tone you can get out of them and classic rock. Even came clost to getting a Sovtek and Jcm800 a few times. But most of the stuff I play is modern metal. Example Gojira and Chimaira. The irony is both bands use 6505+'s and I can get there tone and my personal tone spot on. But the noise and lack of versatility is killing me. So its not so much I want another amp because im looking for another tone. Just a more versatile amp with alot better tought process put behind the construction so its not as noisy.
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