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#1
I searched.

So, is an individual who joins the Military and fights for his country a hero?

In my opinion, no, they are not. They are brave, certainly, but it is a job nonetheless. Killing other people for your country does not make you a hero, in my opinion. I would like to hear the pit's.

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I dont think so.
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Well, in combat it's kill or be killed.


Indeed, but they signed up for it.
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#5
Yes, they are a hero. Are you saying that firefighter or policemen aren't heroes? Those are both jobs. I feel if you put your life on the line for something you believe in then you are a hero in my book.
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Yes, they are a hero. Are you saying that firefighter or policemen aren't heroes? Those are both jobs. I feel if you put your life on the line for something you believe in then you are a hero in my book.


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#10
I believe they are. That's why you always hear them talking of dying for their country, not killing.
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Yes, they are a hero. Are you saying that firefighter or policemen aren't heroes? Those are both jobs. I feel if you put your life on the line for something you believe in then you are a hero in my book.


I am saying that they are not heroes, yes. Very brave, but not heroes.
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Yes, they are a hero. Are you saying that firefighter or policemen aren't heroes? Those are both jobs. I feel if you put your life on the line for something you believe in then you are a hero in my book.

I definitely wouldn't call a policeman a hero.

What if you put your life on the line for fascism? Or a false cause?
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And if they didnt sign up for it?


Doesn't make them heroes, it makes them survivalists.
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Yes, they are a hero. Are you saying that firefighter or policemen aren't heroes? Those are both jobs. I feel if you put your life on the line for something you believe in then you are a hero in my book.



terrorists are heroes then?nice one
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#18
TS, I'm thinking the idea of being a hero isn't so black and white. It's just a word in the end. People in the military are signing up for something that is incredibly dangerous, but the whole "believing in" is ridiculous. The idea that every soldier who fights believes entirely in what he's doing, and that's the only motivation is unrealistic.
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#19
Killing for your country doesn't make you a hero.
Killing and risking your life for your brothers in the field and for everyone back home, does.
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#20
If they took a bullet for someone else in the army, then yes.

And not all of them necessarily are brave if they didn't know what they're getting themselves into when they signed up. The commercials on TV do a good job at misleading people.
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#21
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I definitely wouldn't call a policeman a hero.

What if you put your life on the line for fascism? Or a false cause?


If you believe in a cause that others do not, does that make it a false cause? its all in perspective. You may say that a terrorist is the lowest form of humanity on the planet, and by no means do I support it, but to some they are heroes and to others they are scum.

They same goes for soldiers. To some they are putting their lives on the line and that is enough to be a hero, for others they are nothing special. Look up some history on Vietnam and compare it with that of WWII, they can be compared in some ways but people see them as completely opposite situations.
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I definitely wouldn't call a policeman a hero.

What if you put your life on the line for fascism? Or a false cause?


Why not? A non-corrupt policeman is paid to protect the common people from harm. Now I will admit that some of the laws that they uphold aren't fair or correct, but the majority of the laws that law enforcement agencies uphold are in place for our well being and safety.

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terrorists are heroes then?nice one


Not to me because I don't believe in their cause, but to people that believe in them, then yes they are. "Hero" is subjective.

edit: sorry for the double post
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#24
edit: ^ I agree with the 2nd point. Basically my post summed up.

Everyone has a different definition of a hero. Fundamentalist Christians think a man who kills an abortion doctor is a hero; fundamendalist Muslims think that the 9/11 terrorists were heroes and a large number of Britons think that soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan are heroes. One persons hero is another persons enemy.
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#25
i respect the fact that our men and women in the service signed away their lives in order to try and make the lives of others better.

edit: most soldiers don't sign up to kill. they sign up to protect.
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#26
"being a hero" is realy complicated

if by saving someones life means u must take away some1 elses doesnt make u a hero

firemen are hero

doctors are heros

people who go somewhere cuz theirs political leader says so.......is not a hero
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"being a hero" is realy complicated

if by saving someones life means u must take away some1 elses doesnt make u a hero

firemen are hero

doctors are heros

people who go somewhere cuz theirs political leader says so.......is not a hero


Again, "hero" is a subjective term so stop treating it like your OPINION=FACT
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Again, "hero" is a subjective term so stop treating it like your OPINION=FACT



i never said it was fact.....i was just stating MY OPINION
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#29
There are hero's in the military. But being in the military does not make you a hero.
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i never said it was fact.....i was just stating MY OPINION


I apologize, just the way you worded your comments made it seem like fact...which I guess is a good thing in debate.
#31
Heros to me, directly saves lives. Firemen are heros to me. Not army and police.

Edit: i agree with the point being made that there are hero in the military. but being military doesn't make you a hero.
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#32
Been there, done that. Was I a hero? Nope. Just a regular guy.
But there are guys in the military who are heroes, just as there are heroes in every walk of life.
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#33
No they aren't.

You have to actually do something heroic.

Some CAN be heroes, but not all are.
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Been there, done that. Was I a hero? Nope. Just a regular guy.
But there are guys in the military who are heroes, just as there are heroes in every walk of life.


You win the topic, as usual SYK. And did you really serve in the armed forces?
#35
Perhaps Wulphy would like his grandchildren to be forced to learn Arabic and forced to live the fundamentalist Muslim lifestyle. That's the stated objective of the people who our soldiers are protecting Wulphy's grandchildren from. And that's their timeline.

Apparently if you don't want that forced on your descendants, then you have a false cause. WTF?
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You win the topic, as usual SYK. And did you really serve in the armed forces?
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#37
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Oh please, you brainwashed conservatist moron. We started this war with the Arabs, not them. They are as much of a threat to us as hot coffee is to your mouth. They aren't protecting me from them, they are killing them for the monetary gain of American corporations and the Media.

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Oh please, you brainwashed conservatist moron. We started this war with the Arabs, not them. They are as much of a threat to us as hot coffee is to your mouth. They aren't protecting me from them, they are killing them for the monetary gain of American corporations and the Media.
Way to take the bait and derail your own thread, genius.

Take it to the political thread.
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#39
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terrorists are heroes then?nice one


Heroism is dependent on who you ask; islamic suicide bombers are "martyrs" to their peers (well, ex-peers). I personally believe that soldiers are heroes as they are willing to die and kill for their country, preferably kill.

Heroism is determined more by the cause than by actions. America has always waged wars in either defense of ourselves, defense of an ally, or in defense of human rights, never to gain territory or to create an empire; America is a liberator not an occupier. Soldiers are willing and ready to die you and I, as well as American ideals. How can that not be considered heroism?
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Oh please, you brainwashed conservatist moron. We started this war with the Arabs, not them. They are as much of a threat to us as hot coffee is to your mouth. They aren't protecting me from them, they are killing them for the monetary gain of American corporations and the Media.


As much as I want to agree with you, you're wrong. The extremist muslims started this war with us on September 11th 2001. It would be silly to debate otherwise. They killed 3000 of our own people, the first attack that has ever happened on continental US soil, and they did it without us knowing about their plan.

To the guy who are arguing with: we don't have to kill muslims because they want to expand their culture.

In conclusion; you're an extremist liberal and youre arguing with an extremist republican, you both need to lighten up a bit if you want to get anything done in this world.
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