#1
Especially amps and various electronics?

I don't see display guitars being an issue, even though I have my doubts about why they are used as display models in the first place.
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#3
Depends on the amp.

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#4
How about a TUBE amp. I think it's necessary to know these amps have been used properly. So many things can go wrong with people who have no knowledge using them
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#6
I'd prefer a floor model. Not only because you can frequently get them cheaper, but if it had issues, someone would've noticed them, and there's less chance of having to bring it back to get it fixed. I'll gladly trade 1 month of tube life for that comfort.
#7
definatly wouldnt buy a guitar or tube amp floor model

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#8
I have no problems with floor models, as long as I try them out thoroughly and make sure there's no problem with it. Plus, it's easier to haggle for a discount with already slightly used gear.
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#9
Stores legally have to sell floor models as "used". I generally buy the floor model if I'm buying from a store, just for the lower price. I've never had a problem with anything.
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#10
Quote by slickerthnsleek
I'd prefer a floor model. Not only because you can frequently get them cheaper, but if it had issues, someone would've noticed them, and there's less chance of having to bring it back to get it fixed. I'll gladly trade 1 month of tube life for that comfort.


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Electronics and amps that have problems tend to have them quickly or not at all. Guitar speakers generally sound better with a few miles on them.
#11
Quote by slickerthnsleek
I'd prefer a floor model. Not only because you can frequently get them cheaper, but if it had issues, someone would've noticed them, and there's less chance of having to bring it back to get it fixed. I'll gladly trade 1 month of tube life for that comfort.


This guy knows his stuff.

Not too mention if you're buying a tube amp then it's given it a bit of time to wear in?

As a guide to buying floor models just give it a real good look over and play. Make sure you haggle with them!!!! If it's a guitar then get them to throw in a set up since people have been screwing around with it!

Buying a floor model can be a good thing...especially with certain brands
*cough* EPIPHONE *cough*. When I bought my LP I made sure I gave it a good play to make sure it wasn't a dud. If you buy a floor model then you know exactly what you're getting - no suprises.

The only time I would be hesistant would be if the guitar had a floyd? People tend to **** around with them A LOT in stores and the bridge could easily be damaged or badly set up.
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#12
I bought everything I have as floor models. I don't trust stuff I haven't played. I would never buy a guitar that isn't a floor model. If you'd take the chance on having a **** guitar that's in perfect condition over knowing that you're getting a good guitar with possibly a few dings, you're priorities are a bit screwed up as a guitarist IMO.
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#13
My AC-4's tubes died after 3 weeks. It was a floor model (and last in stock), and I still had to pay full price. I would still buy floor gear again, but not at full price however. I'd definitely be way more inclined to buy a guitar rather than an amp off the shop floor. There's a lot less obvious things that can go wrong on a guitar than an amp.
#14
Yeah I have no problem with buying display models, in fact, I don't think I have ever bought anything that was properly new. You can get some great bargains too, I got £130 off my MIM Tele just cos it was an ex demo with a tiny dent in the finish.
#15
floor models are great for the discount if you know how to look for bonk goods... but you never know when some kid shows up, cranks the JCM you're about to buy to 11 and THEN flips the power AND standby switches without a speaker cable running to a cab... or whatever. I've seen music store employees do that kinda' s***. one can only imagine what an ill informed customer might do.
#16
i live in a small rural city with a couple of small guitar shops. i have no choice but to trust display models because that's all they've got

also, i think you're better off buying from a small shop that only has display models - you know you're getting the same guitar you tried, because every guitar, even one that's the same model, is gonna be slightly different and you might not like the one they pick out of their warehouse in a bigger shop - yet in the bigger shops they have too many guitars on display and can't maintain them all very well so they are more likely to suffer from abuse by customers without the damage being rectified, and there's probably more customers abusing the display models in the larger shops anyway. buying from a small shop is kinda pot luck as to whether they'll have the guitar you're looking for but i think you'll be more satisfied from a smaller shop if you just wait till you stumble across what you're looking for rather than buying off the net or from a big chain store. even though the chain store/internet guarantees you'll get that model of guitar you are GASing for within the next 2 years or so
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#17
my randall was a not only 2nd hand but also a display model and I have had no problems with it, of course now I've jinxed myself
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#18
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Especially amps and various electronics?

I don't see display guitars being an issue, even though I have my doubts about why they are used as display models in the first place.


There's a big difference in some cases with things. At my store, if someone wants to try out a guitar/amp...we hook them up into it and get the guitar down for them. If there's no pickguard, then the player can't use a pick on it (unless they've got some proficiency or the string distance to the finish is higher than a fingertip width. It's a judgement call, but everything we have on the floor is what we have, we don't have room for a warehouse, and we can't afford to keep 5-10 models of everything in stock like corporate entities who shall remain nameless.

I understand the "give me fresh in a box" mentality to some degree...but with instruments ESPECIALLY guitar, it's not a guarantee that the one you order/get will feel exactly like the one you played in the store. With amps, it means your amp works, and we still back it up with a full warranty from date of purchase, and have guys liscensed on our staff who can do the authorized warranty repairs without voiding that warranty.

The worst is people who come in expecting a stellar deal on anything they've put their grubby little hands on....and if it's in a box they still haggle. I sometimes wonder when and why the guitar business with items ranging from $100-$5000 or so at our shop became the same as if we were a car dealership with items ranging from $5000-$50000. I'd honestly like to find out what caused that mentality, and the mentality of "if anyone's touched it I won't buy it".

<--- used to work at staples, had no issue buying our display desktop comps/digital cameras etc, I still have both of those 7 years on, and 2 of my guitars and my amp and the studio monitors I'm buying next week have all been "floor models". If the stuff is looked after, then it shouldn't be an issue...I know at the bigger stores in town, there are PRS' with huge buckle rash, there's Jackson USA customs missing their whammy bars and locking nuts...and these stores don't give a ****, which is possibly why everyone assumes any shop with a guitar on the floor means it's been manhandled like the village *****.
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#19
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I'd prefer a floor model. Not only because you can frequently get them cheaper, but if it had issues, someone would've noticed them, and there's less chance of having to bring it back to get it fixed. I'll gladly trade 1 month of tube life for that comfort.



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#20
Every piece of equipment I own has been used or a floor model. I could never see myself paying the full price for something new.
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#21
I went into my local shop a few weeks ago and played a few Fenders they had on display. The salesman went on a tirade about how stupid all these types of sites are, and how all the precautions people online talk about taking with tube amps is BS. He was turning heads on without plugging them in, flipping both standby and on switches at the same time, unplugging and replugging in guitars while the amp was on, and all the other things we all cringe when we read someone did. That really made me question whether or not I will ever even consider an amp from that shop. Imagine buying a 'new' amp, that has undergone months of that type of abuse.

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#22
i would never buy a guitar or amp that i cant try out extensively first.
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#23
tube amp: **** no, unless they threw in new tubes.
guitar: absolutely. the guitar they give u from the back could be miles different from the one u were just playing and just fell in love with.
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#24
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tube amp: **** no, unless they threw in new tubes.
guitar: absolutely. the guitar they give u from the back could be miles different from the one u were just playing and just fell in love with.


I agree with this, even though I'm generally against buying floor models, but one guitar can sound completely different from another of the same model. Who knows what kinda' wood was used on the one in the back.
#25
that's one thing i'm not gonna do when i buy my next guitar or amp. the last few times i've bought a guitar i've been stupid and naive and just buy the floor models. i might just start buying **** off of musician's friend.
#26
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I agree with this, even though I'm generally against buying floor models, but one guitar can sound completely different from another of the same model. Who knows what kinda' wood was used on the one in the back.

probably the same kind of wood but it's a different piece which is gonna resonate slightly differently since wood is biological. it can make a huge difference, and it's not just the sound, it's also the feel, and with some companies the specs may be very loosely matched to what's on the site (e.g. gibson) so specs may differ from one to the next even with the same model.
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#27
Quote by Blompcube
probably the same kind of wood but it's a different piece which is gonna resonate slightly differently since wood is biological. it can make a huge difference, and it's not just the sound, it's also the feel, and with some companies the specs may be very loosely matched to what's on the site (e.g. gibson) so specs may differ from one to the next even with the same model.


yeah, agreed. you know what i meant. if they say it's got a solid mahogany body, it's a solid mahogany body, but the tonal qualities could be totally different.

...and that's a good point about Gibson. many times I can find the stud out of a particular model of Gibby's, but their custom shop is pretty much on point... not to say that you still don't encounter different cuts, etc., and there have been a few QC issues in the recent past (i believe due to various "experimental" designs they've released in the same time period), but I haven't noticed many as of late... I like to believe that's a thing of the past.
#28
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I went into my local shop a few weeks ago and played a few Fenders they had on display. The salesman went on a tirade about how stupid all these types of sites are, and how all the precautions people online talk about taking with tube amps is BS. He was turning heads on without plugging them in, flipping both standby and on switches at the same time, unplugging and replugging in guitars while the amp was on, and all the other things we all cringe when we read someone did. That really made me question whether or not I will ever even consider an amp from that shop. Imagine buying a 'new' amp, that has undergone months of that type of abuse.




This is because people who work in music stores are all w@nkers. Seriously, I have yet to meet one who's advice or opinion I respect more than my own, or that of the combined wisdom of GG&A. There also seems to be a deficit of social skills in the music shop industry, with a requirement that you only need to be good at guitar to be able to get what must be one of the easiest jobs in the world.

Whilst I continue my rant (threadjacking I know!) it bugs me that if I worked in any other specialist retail sector/industry, I would be expected to have my fiinger on the pulse of current developments, new products etc. Guys in guitar shops seem absolutely clueless about anything other than being crap at their jobs.

I know I've probably offended the handful of guitar store workers on UG with this post but f*ck it...
#29
My amp was a floor model too (ok it's SS), and have not had any problems with it, so... For guitar, I'd probably ask the floor model (if it was good enough), and ask a bit of a discount (not too much). I also go to Keymusic, it's a chain of music stores, but it's very good, everyone's friendly and will help you out, and is not a jackass who doesn't know what he's talking about...
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#30
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This guy knows his stuff.

Not too mention if you're buying a tube amp then it's given it a bit of time to wear in?

As a guide to buying floor models just give it a real good look over and play. Make sure you haggle with them!!!! If it's a guitar then get them to throw in a set up since people have been screwing around with it!

Buying a floor model can be a good thing...especially with certain brands
*cough* EPIPHONE *cough*. When I bought my LP I made sure I gave it a good play to make sure it wasn't a dud. If you buy a floor model then you know exactly what you're getting - no suprises.

The only time I would be hesistant would be if the guitar had a floyd? People tend to **** around with them A LOT in stores and the bridge could easily be damaged or badly set up.


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I agree with you about Floyd-equipped guitars. I'd at least have the guitar tech at the store set it up properly, make sure the bridge is fine, and possibly put new strings on it before I'd buy one.
#31
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yeah, agreed. you know what i meant. if they say it's got a solid mahogany body, it's a solid mahogany body, but the tonal qualities could be totally different.

...and that's a good point about Gibson. many times I can find the stud out of a particular model of Gibby's, but their custom shop is pretty much on point... not to say that you still don't encounter different cuts, etc., and there have been a few QC issues in the recent past (i believe due to various "experimental" designs they've released in the same time period), but I haven't noticed many as of late... I like to believe that's a thing of the past.

yeah, but the majority of UG is never gonna get off that bandwagon. some people are already bashing the spider IV when i can bet very few of those haters have actually tried it, the same goes for the marshall MG4/haze/class 5..

although it wasn't the quality control i was referring to - it's consistency. nobody on here seems to understand that product consisency and quality control aren't the same thing. gibson's quality control checks for obvious problems with the guitar that are going to stop it from functioning correctly, and gibson guitars with actual problems are quite rare. however, particularly with the studio/special/standard range, the neck profiles are cut to seemingly no spec at all, so every single one is very very different regardless of whether they are advertised as having '50s or '60s neck profiles. having played a couple of '50s and '60s gibsons, i know it's very rare to find one these days with the "correct" neck profile. as a result, people find that most of the gibsons don't agree with their hands, and think "bah that sucks, gibson have terrible quality control" when actually the majority of them are perfectly good guitars with a very random neck profile that someone else might enjoy. the fact that neck profiles are a matter of preference means gibsons quality control has no good reason to waste time checking in the necks are a perfect match to the specs on the website (which are already pretty vague!) as all this would do is make gibsons safer to order online, but give people much less chance of finding one particular guitar that's dead-on perfect, since they'd all be the same.

another point is that nobody ever makes a fuss about a good gibson, either, normally it's just "yay NGD its a real nice guitar but what do you expect, it's a gibson" and then ignores the thread because it's full of people saying "phail, gibson has bad quality control, you shud haf boght a ESP!!". of all those that sell, there's very few complaints proportionally.
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#32
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This is because people who work in music stores are all w@nkers. Seriously, I have yet to meet one who's advice or opinion I respect more than my own, or that of the combined wisdom of GG&A. There also seems to be a deficit of social skills in the music shop industry, with a requirement that you only need to be good at guitar to be able to get what must be one of the easiest jobs in the world.

Whilst I continue my rant (threadjacking I know!) it bugs me that if I worked in any other specialist retail sector/industry, I would be expected to have my fiinger on the pulse of current developments, new products etc. Guys in guitar shops seem absolutely clueless about anything other than being crap at their jobs.

I know I've probably offended the handful of guitar store workers on UG with this post but f*ck it...


I work at a music store, but I understand completely when people shop at corporate Joe's music bonanza ( a fancy term used for the "chain" stores) that you end up with the soulless "hey I play guitar and stuff so the only place I can work is here" mentality. I work at an independant, so there's a little bit more attention paid to how things work because an expensive mistake for us is pretty bad, and can cost you your job (i.e. flipping on tube amps without standby on/plugging different load heads into cabs that don't match etc). We take the time to learn at least about the stuff we carry, and our staff is very small, there's only 7 of us including the owner and his son. Also our job isn't what I would term "easy". It's a lot of ****ing work to keep the shop looking nice, as well as keeping all the instruments in showroom condition, they're dusted and polished almost daily, and on top of that, we vaccum and mop every night, takes about an extra hour to do that. But there's your difference...most people just want to save maybe $5 on their item to shop from a brainless idiot in a store he has no personal stake in and cares nothing about its contents whatsoever.

That being said, any mom and pop music store that's competative in terms of pricing should blow the corporate stores out of the water in terms of customer service/product knowledge/atmosphere, or else they won't be in business for more than 5 years tops. In case you were wondering, our store has been in the city for 40 years as of October
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#33
Well... I was at guitar center yesterday. They knocked down an american strat behind the counter i was standing at while trying to put a $2500 gibson sg back up. They proceeded to all scream "strat down!" Then about 4 workers ripped guitars off of the walls, holding them like guns, and running towards the strat. Someone got the strat and he won 5 dollars from the... here's the hook folks... The manager!

That actually happened. I swear on my life. Funniest **** i've ever seen those idiots at GC do. Also, after saving the strat, the employee stood on some $1100 fender amp to put the sg back up. I'd name the amp but i am not a fender fan.

So my answer, no. I will never, ever, everrrrr, Buy a floor model of anything. Even at a discount. Lol.
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#34
I prefer display models. My Orange was one and had the price knocked down a bit. With guitars I much prefer them. The reason is because that's the EXACT guitar you have tried. You know what you get. Every guitar is a bit different and if you liked the one you tried, get that one!
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#35
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I work at a music store, but I understand completely when people shop at corporate Joe's music bonanza ( a fancy term used for the "chain" stores) that you end up with the soulless "hey I play guitar and stuff so the only place I can work is here" mentality. I work at an independant, so there's a little bit more attention paid to how things work because an expensive mistake for us is pretty bad, and can cost you your job (i.e. flipping on tube amps without standby on/plugging different load heads into cabs that don't match etc). We take the time to learn at least about the stuff we carry, and our staff is very small, there's only 7 of us including the owner and his son. Also our job isn't what I would term "easy". It's a lot of ****ing work to keep the shop looking nice, as well as keeping all the instruments in showroom condition, they're dusted and polished almost daily, and on top of that, we vaccum and mop every night, takes about an extra hour to do that. But there's your difference...most people just want to save maybe $5 on their item to shop from a brainless idiot in a store he has no personal stake in and cares nothing about its contents whatsoever.

That being said, any mom and pop music store that's competative in terms of pricing should blow the corporate stores out of the water in terms of customer service/product knowledge/atmosphere, or else they won't be in business for more than 5 years tops. In case you were wondering, our store has been in the city for 40 years as of October


That's why I shop at local stores almost exclusively unless there's a big sale. Customer service is just infinitely better. And every once in a while you'll run into somebody like Eric Johnson. Prices are usually lower at local stores in my experience anyways. I've gotten slides at local stores for $5 where at GC they were $15. And GC doesn't always honor discounts they advertise. They advertised 20% off of my Les Paul but only gave me 15% because I didn't bring the post card they sent me.
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