#1
Hey guys. I wonder, do Gibson still make quality guitars like they used to (if they did make quality guitars when they started out, I haven't done my research lol) or have they slumped under demand and gone for Quantity over Quality? I think I heard somewhere that their guitars were hand-made, which doesn't suprise me that their guitars sound so good! And if you're wondering what this has to do with the iPod, its this. iPod's used to be the best thing on the market. Well, they still are you're thinking, and you'd be right. But apparently the quality has slumped, and Apple have gone for Quantity over Quality. Now, iPod's are still the best thing out there, but not as good as they used to be (apparently). I have been told that iPod has gone for Quantity over Quality. Please let me know what the deal is with Gibson!
#2
Well most people will say the quality control is bad. While that is true, there is also the fact that no two handmade instruments will be exactly the same. There are good ones, and there are sub-par ones, and some are just plain bad.

If you're going to buy a Gibson, try several of the same model and pick the one that feels and sounds the best to you.
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Well most people will say the quality control is bad. While that is true, there is also the fact that no two handmade instruments will be exactly the same. There are good ones, and there are sub-par ones, and some are just plain bad.

If you're going to buy a Gibson, try several of the same model and pick the one that feels and sounds the best to you.

This.

Also, Gibson definitely isn't as good as they used to be, but they're still good guitars.
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Back when the iPod first came out, what did it have to compete against? Cheap little mp3 players that could hold maybe 10 songs WITH a memory card you had to buy seperatly.
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Back when the iPod first came out, what did it have to compete against? Cheap little mp3 players that could hold maybe 10 songs WITH a memory card you had to buy seperatly.


ipods didnt really boom in popularity untill the video came out... first generation ipods looked horrible like you were listening to a brick with headphones attached to it.
#6
iPod have actually never been the best on the market, in terms of build quality or features. Creative have been making digital media players since a few years before Apple and their players consistently have bigger hard drives, faster hard drives, bigger and clearer screens, more media types supported, longer battery life, many more applications and features (even basic things - Creative Zen had radio support years before Apple ever got around to adding it to any iPod models), etc etc etc. They're also built like brick ****houses, you can drop them out of a sixth story window and they'll survive.

However, back when they first started, digital media players weren't in vogue so it was next to impossible for Creative to market them properly. Then Apple came along and used their fanboy Mac userbase to market their iPods, and they simply took over from that base. There has never been any technical, features or quality ground for why iPod has been successful, it's purely because even though other companies have done much better products for much longer, Apple was simply an initially bigger company and so had more brand recognition and plain more money to pour into advertising.


And this is coming from someone who uses an iPod, and used to use an iMac.



As for Gibson, the two don't correlate. The iPod analogy doesn't hold water so the whole topic is rendered pointless.
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ok random but has anyone else heard the stories about the exploding ipod touch/iphones? I'd say that's a quality issue... lol
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ok random but has anyone else heard the stories about the exploding ipod touch/iphones? I'd say that's a quality issue... lol


more like battery issue and they dont even make the batterys. remember when dell laptop batterys were recalled? same thing.
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iPod have actually never been the best on the market, in terms of build quality or features. Creative have been making digital media players since a few years before Apple and their players consistently have bigger hard drives, faster hard drives, bigger and clearer screens, more media types supported, longer battery life, many more applications and features (even basic things - Creative Zen had radio support years before Apple ever got around to adding it to any iPod models), etc etc etc. They're also built like brick ****houses, you can drop them out of a sixth story window and they'll survive.

However, back when they first started, digital media players weren't in vogue so it was next to impossible for Creative to market them properly. Then Apple came along and used their fanboy Mac userbase to market their iPods, and they simply took over from that base. There has never been any technical, features or quality ground for why iPod has been successful, it's purely because even though other companies have done much better products for much longer, Apple was simply an initially bigger company and so had more brand recognition and plain more money to pour into advertising.


And this is coming from someone who uses an iPod, and used to use an iMac.



As for Gibson, the two don't correlate. The iPod analogy doesn't hold water so the whole topic is rendered pointless.



I will look into Creative. Yeah, iPods are big and stuff, but they held tonnes of music, and they are the EASIEST music player I have ever heard of. I would like to get my hands on a Zune, as they have Bluetooth so ya can send songs and videos etc. by the players!
#11
my new gibson les paul standard was great after a good set up, but why couldn't gibson make sure it was set up properly when it left the factory? why did i pay over £1000 for it and then have to pay another £30 to get the nut filed down and bridge adjusted.

mind you i have just had to go through a similar experience with a new fender strat, so gibson
aint the only ones.
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#12
i bought a Gibson BFG Les Paul on ebay and it plays like a dream. not sure of the year, but i think it would have been a 2006 at the earliest. not all gibsons are crap i think people just like to complain about things more than they like to praise them
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#13
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my new gibson les paul standard was great after a good set up, but why couldn't gibson make sure it was set up properly when it left the factory? why did i pay over £1000 for it and then have to pay another £30 to get the nut filed down and bridge adjusted.

mind you i have just had to go through a similar experience with a new fender strat, so gibson
aint the only ones.


They charged £30 for cutting into the nut and adjusting the bridge?

Gibson still makes some great guitars, just try them out and pick out the one that you like. Don't be suprised if you have to adjust the action, its kind of expected of any guitar. While Gibson does set the guitar action up at the factory, they can't know your exact personal preference for string gauge, action height, etc.

Additionally, many things will affect the setup of the guitar, such as shipping and temperature changes. When you get to the guitar, chances are that it is not set up exactly as it was in the factory due to it being bumped around, having the wood expand, etc.

Some music stores will take the initiative and set up the guitar properly in order for people to play it, like it, and buy it. However some stores (such as Guitar Center) don't even keep most of their guitars in tune, much less set them up.
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#14
iPods like Gibson certainly aren't the best. The have large brand recognition and large sales, but there are many smaller guys who make superior products.

Like my Sandisk sansa, it's titanium, cost less than the nano it competes with, support more formats, records audio and has a radio all with a 24 hour battery.

You could liken that to a PRS or something similar.
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They charged £30 for cutting into the nut and adjusting the bridge?


when i say 'adjusting the bridge' i mean a full set up for action and intonation, plus checking and adjusting the truss rod. gibson had put in a ridiculously high nut which also needed taking down.

£30 is not unreasonable at all for a set up. it's going to take an hour, say, to do, and if you look at labour rates in most industries £30/hour is very cheap. for example, when i take my car for a service at my local honda dealers it costs around £60 / hour.

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#16
You shouldn't compare Gibson guitars, a work of art that last over a hundred years, to a crappy plastic explodes-when-you-drop-it consumable product aimed at preppy social climbers. I mean, people don't throw away Gibsons when a newer model comes out.

P.S. Yes, I own a 2nd Gen iPod Touch. I'm not bashing them out of jealousy. It's just, guitars are NOT consumable products.
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P.S. Yes, I own a 2nd Gen iPod Touch. I'm not bashing them out of jealousy. It's just, guitars are NOT consumable products.






ha! just messing.


op i know what you're saying, so if you're into gibson then pick a good one, like said.


there are many companies that start the ball rolling with their product.
but companies are run into the ground all the time. certainly things will change
as the years go on.
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#18
Quote by dr_john
when i say 'adjusting the bridge' i mean a full set up for action and intonation, plus checking and adjusting the truss rod. gibson had put in a ridiculously high nut which also needed taking down.

£30 is not unreasonable at all for a set up. it's going to take an hour, say, to do, and if you look at labour rates in most industries £30/hour is very cheap. for example, when i take my car for a service at my local honda dealers it costs around £60 / hour.

welcome to the real world.


I suppose it depends on how you look at it. To me, spending nearly $50 for a job that I can easily do myself seems a little high.

Why spend money when you don't have to?
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I suppose it depends on how you look at it. To me, spending nearly $50 for a job that I can easily do myself seems a little high.

Why spend money when you don't have to?


Precisely, I always try to learn how to do it myself, and won't hire someone else unless I have to.

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ipods didnt really boom in popularity untill the video came out... first generation ipods looked horrible like you were listening to a brick with headphones attached to it.




^ remember that ****? 1st-gen iPod "Mini." Still works too
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I will look into Creative. Yeah, iPods are big and stuff, but they held tonnes of music, and they are the EASIEST music player I have ever heard of. I would like to get my hands on a Zune, as they have Bluetooth so ya can send songs and videos etc. by the players!

+1 to Zune. I have the 4GB one and it has survived ridiculous amounts of abuse, and its the cheapest way to get legal music, and I got mine for 60 bucks.


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+1 to Zune. I have the 4GB one and it has survived ridiculous amounts of abuse, and its the cheapest way to get legal music, and I got mine for 60 bucks.


Thank you pawn shops

I had the original 120GB, but I forgot to take it out of my pocket when I jmuped in the pool >.< now I have an 8GB
#23
I had one of the first ipod nanos and it worked great...for about a year then the battery life died and instead of lasting 14 hours i would be lucky if it lasted 2 hours. The same happened with every other Ipod I got (a new nano, and an Ipod video) and of course the battery isnt covered under warranty...so yeah I think the quality has gone down for Ipods.
With Gibsons...from what I have heard the quality has gone down. The guy who used to run a guitar store in my town would tell me stories about people bringing in Gibsons because they had problems. This one guy bought a Gibson Les Paul over the internet (big mistake) and he brought it in because the neck was too thin for the body. The neck should've been thrown out right away when they made it...but instead whoever made the guitar decided to fill in the gaps with glue and didn't even bother to smooth the glue down afterwards. But this just goes to prove that if you are going to buy an expensive guitar...buy it in person and try it out don't risk buying it over the internet!
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There has never been any technical, features or quality ground for why iPod has been successful

multitouch? the clickwheel? flawless+beautiful design?
#25
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iPods like Gibson certainly aren't the best. The have large brand recognition and large sales, but there are many smaller guys who make superior products.

Like my Sandisk sansa, it's titanium, cost less than the nano it competes with, support more formats, records audio and has a radio all with a 24 hour battery.

You could liken that to a PRS or something similar.


Hmmm, I had one of those that lasted 3 months until the headphone jack broke. I then bought a 2nd gen nano that lasted 2 years until I sold it. When it comes to electronics you get what you pay for. The Sansa may be cheaper and have more features, but the iPod is made with better components.
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I suppose it depends on how you look at it. To me, spending nearly $50 for a job that I can easily do myself seems a little high.

Why spend money when you don't have to?


well it's a good job everybody doesn't think that way, otherwise the economy would break down.
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#27
[quote="'[VictorinoX"]']I had the original 120GB, but I forgot to take it out of my pocket when I jmuped in the pool >.< now I have an 8GB
ah thats rough, i did the same with my last cell phone...

I like my 4 gigger, but im certainly pumped for the Zune HD. I really hope it stacks up to the iTouch
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#28
I haven't read any of the thread so all this may have already been put out.

About iPod: 90% of the people saying crap about iPods have never owned one. For some reason, people seem to all say that popular things are always crap.

If you've own an iPod, and don't like it, that's cool, and an opinion. but if you just say stuff because everyone else says it, stop.

I love my iPod. Now that could be completely away from what this thread is about...
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#29
I despise iPods. The way they are set up is annoying as hell and the iTouch touchscreen is far too sensitive.

I despise Zunes as well. While more manageable than an iPod, still a rip off.

Here's a good story...
About a week ago I needed a new mp3 player because my old Sansa broke. I was looking at iPods. There were 2GB and 4 GB iPod shuffles. The 2GB was $50 and the 4GB was $70.

Why the hell would I buy a 4GB mp3 player without a screen for $70? I wouldn't. You can't persuade me otherwise. I bought a Philips GoVibe 4 GB mp3 player for $50.

Anyway, Gibsons. I'm not too familiar with Gibsons. Though I love the SG Robot and Faded Flying V. The Faded Flying V was in surprisingly good condition, and the tuning computer on the SG Robot didn't work, but it still played beautifully. And I'm not sure why, but the bridge pickup on both of them was incredibly high...

Though I've heard that some Gibons end up being total crap...