#1
The farthest down I know is the 22nd fret, in the sweep of the song Grace by Lamb of God. What songs feature the 23rd and 24th fret?
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Glasgow Kiss by John Petrucci
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Most Children of Bodom solos go right up to the top frets, also Megadeth.
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Some tab I printed out need the 23rd fret. I think Critical Acclaim - A7X.
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Some Metallica songs, at least Kirks random runs on the high E-string.
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#11
The solo of Master of Puppets by Metallica requires a bend on the 23d and 24th fret I think
#12
It's a good job I don't play any of those above songs.

TBH, you can play them without the 23/24 frets anyway.
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TBH, you can play them without the 23/24 frets anyway.


you cant play it everytime just because you can bend it. maybe its will be a fast run and you wont be able to do that kind of bend.
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It's a good job I don't play any of those above songs.

TBH, you can play them without the 23/24 frets anyway.


I'd love to see your average guitarist playing Megadeth perform an accurate full tone bend at the 22nd fret on the high e during a solo.
There are occasions, although fairly few, where 24 frets is absolutely, undoubtedly necessary unless you have exceptionally strong, fast hands.
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TBH, you can play them without the 23/24 frets anyway.

Listen to the Binge and Grab solo.

1. Try to bend to those 23 and 24 frets in that amount of time, accurately. You can't.
2. At the end of the solo, Buckethead does 24-fret note bends. Try doing that from the 22nd fret without breaking the strings, or your finger.
3. There are some songs that require a 23rd and 24th fret. It happens. It's not common, but it happens.
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you cant play it everytime just because you can bend it. maybe its will be a fast run and you wont be able to do that kind of bend.


I'd love to see your average guitarist playing Megadeth perform an accurate full tone bend at the 22nd fret on the high e during a solo.
There are occasions, although fairly few, where 24 frets is absolutely, undoubtedly necessary unless you have exceptionally strong, fast hands.


You could always play a note elsewhere - find the same note nearby on a different string/fret.

Nowhere did I say "you don't need 23/24 as you can bend it up lolol".

You can find a note elsewhere and play it.
As long as it isn't in the middle of a sweep pick, it is perfectly fine.

But if you are sweeping a lot down there, or bending really high, then I agree 24 frets is essential.
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Technical Difficulties by Paul Gilbert uses all 24 if I remember correctly.
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#19
The first guitar solo in "Of Sins and Shadows" by Symphony X requires the 23rd fret for the first alternate picking sequence.
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You could always play a note elsewhere - find the same note nearby on a different string/fret.

Nowhere did I say "you don't need 23/24 as you can bend it up lolol".

You can find a note elsewhere and play it.
As long as it isn't in the middle of a sweep pick, it is perfectly fine.

But if you are sweeping a lot down there, or bending really high, then I agree 24 frets is essential.

most of the time ive ever seen the 23/24 fret used is on the high E string.. and well if youre finding the note on another string its going to be in the wrong octave and sound like ass.

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You could always play a note elsewhere - find the same note nearby on a different string/fret.

Nowhere did I say "you don't need 23/24 as you can bend it up lolol".

You can find a note elsewhere and play it.
As long as it isn't in the middle of a sweep pick, it is perfectly fine.

But if you are sweeping a lot down there, or bending really high, then I agree 24 frets is essential.


Yes, in some cases this will work but not in all, and why make it harder on yourself as a player when you can just get a guitar with 24 frets and play it easier.

Its better to have more and not need it than to have less and need it.
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Vai, FTLOG. I am learning it now, you have to bend to the F# on the high e 24th.
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most of the time ive ever seen the 23/24 fret used is on the high E string.. and well if youre finding the note on another string its going to be in the wrong octave and sound like ass.


indeed, i dont quite understand this guy..
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Vai, FTLOG. I am learning it now, you have to bend to the F# on the high e 24th.


+1 and other vai tunes

also bending on the high frets this is one of the reasons why some guitars have 21-24 scalloped...........
#28
You don't really need 24, if you have 22, you can just bend up to 23 and 24. Can you bend to 25 or 26? I don't know, I dont want to try and break my strings so I guess you'd be better off with 24 frets, if you want to play stuff like MegaDeth, which sometimes requires you to bend to the 26th fret.
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#29
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It's a good job I don't play any of those above songs.

TBH, you can play them without the 23/24 frets anyway.

Well, if someone is doing a 2 step bend on their 24th fret and you only have 21, have fun bending up to that without snapping a string or two
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#30
If you are playing some legato lick such as:

e -----24--20--17---

repeated a few times there is no way you can play that with a bend on the 22nd fret at speed.

And even if you were to sub the high e (24th fret) with something else you would loose its tonality as it wouldn't sound like a legato lick anymore.

only things you could do would be:

e --12--20--17

or

e ------20--17
B ---------------
G --20---------

but neither would sound verry good.
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You don't really need 24, if you have 22, you can just bend up to 23 and 24. Can you bend to 25 or 26? I don't know, I dont want to try and break my strings so I guess you'd be better off with 24 frets, if you want to play stuff like MegaDeth, which sometimes requires you to bend to the 26th fret.


Go play the sweep in the solo to "stabwound" by Necrophagist, and tell me how well that works out without 24 frets
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Yes, in some cases this will work but not in all, and why make it harder on yourself as a player when you can just get a guitar with 24 frets and play it easier.

Its better to have more and not need it than to have less and need it.


Of course, if you're definitely going to be playing lots of songs requiring lots and lots 24 frets, it makes sense to go out of the way to get one.

Otherwise, just get whatever. You can still play most songs perfectly fine.
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#33
John Petrucci uses it a bit in and out of Dream Theater. 3 Solos that pop in my mind that use them are Finally Free, Goodnight Kiss, and The Spirit Carries On.