#1
Hi,
This is my first post.
I have to say that I am beginning with guitar I am receiving classical lessons.
But, I would like to play Jazz.
Baring in mind this, which do you think is the better jazz guitar for beginners?
Thank you very much.
I wait for your response.
#2
For beginners, probably an Ibanez Artcore. They're solid, well-built guitars that get a nice jazz tone.
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#3
If you want a traditional "jazz tone", then yeah, one of the Ibanez Artcore full hollow models are an excellent idea.

If you want something more versatile than just for jazz, a semi-hollow of some sort would still cover jazz territory and work better than a fully hollow guitar for other things.
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#4
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You're a legit guitarist

But yeah, Artcores are nice inexpensive Jazz guitars
I was actually thinking of getting one myself

A semi-hollow would be good (more versatile) choice too
I've heard good things about the Epiphone Dot

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#5
Fender Stratocaster is playing all genres of music of the America culture and I would recommend this guitar after getting a guitar
with Fender-quality parts. This guitar is good. Jazz is the root of America culture, I took class many years ago.

I know Miles Davis, Ella Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong, Barry Manilow and Elvis, yes? 1940s and 1950s jazz, yes? Very good, I know
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#6
if you're looking for something solid bodied why not try a guitar with P90 pickups? You can get a great jazz tone out of them and still be able to experiment with other varieties of music.
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#7
I am watchching these, which of them is the most cost-effective?
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I have read some bad forum comments about Epiphone guitars. People says that some units have deffects, is this true?

¿Could be a good option an acoustic-electric guitar?
What do you think about the next?
http://www.thomann.de/es/larida_lk2cebk.htm

¿Which are the differences between classical-electric and acoustic electric guitars?

Thanks a lot.
Regards.
#8
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Fender Stratocaster is playing all genres of music of the America culture and I would recommend this guitar after getting a guitar
with Fender-quality parts. This guitar is good. Jazz is the root of America culture, I took class many years ago.

I know Miles Davis, Ella Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong, Barry Manilow and Elvis, yes? 1940s and 1950s jazz, yes? Very good, I know


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#10
the dot's are great but id still say the artcores are better for the price, and the difference an acoustic - electric to a semi hollow or hollowbody electric is that an acoustic electric is an acoustic guitar with a pickup to boost the sound the acoustic already makes, Whereas an electric uses magnetic pickups to get the sound from the change in the magnetic field when the strings vibrate. Two totally different sounds.
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#11
#12
You can learn to play jazz on anything but Semi-hollow archtops like the ES-335 Dot, or my Gibson ES-135 sound great through an amp, but don't sound good unplugged. The sustain block used to make the electric part of the semi-hollow guitar sound better, deadens the acoustic properties of the guitar's top.
If you plan on learning jazz, think about getting a true archtop jazzbox that sounds good unplugged. That's where the birth of the soul of jazz can be found.(Charlie Christian) Look at the classic Gibson L-5 or the ES-175 for a true, thick bodied jazzbox. They can be a bit to reach around while playing though.
There are all kinds of archtops. If you play alone or live at home, or an appartment where an amp isn't needed, get a guitar that doesn't need to be plugged in to make music.
I've got 4 great jazzbox archtops, a Gibson ES-135, Blond ES-175, restored Conrad 10080 with a Bigsby, restored custom Robelli L-5, and I play the one that sounds the best unplugged, because I can just pick it up and play without all the electronic stuff or bothering the neighbors.
Learn to play on an Epiphone Emperor "Joe Pass" type, or the Ibenez guitar without worrying about all that electronic jazz. Think unplugged.
#13
Thank you very much for your response.
What do you think about IBANEZ AF75BS?
#14
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#15
That IBANEZ looks great. My Robelli restoration has that classic shape. Gold hardware makes the guitar look very special. You're on the right track.
Archtops take a heavier string guage than a solidbody, but they are needed to drive the sound. So don't put lighter strings on. It's hard to get flatwound strings anymore, but they add a unique sound to jazz guitar too.
#16
Baring in mind my budget, I have made this comparison:
Analysis is from Harmony Central based in customers opinions.
The prices are from Euroguitar.
In next post, I´ll put the best per parameter.

Epiphone Dot Studio 215euros
Features 7.4 (45 responses)
Sound 8.0 (44 responses)
Action, Fit, & Finish 8.0 (41 responses)
Reliability/Durability 8.0 (42 responses)
Customer Support 6.6 (10 responses)
Overall Rating 8.9 (44 responses)

Epiphone Dot 280euros
Features 8.2 (140 responses)
Sound 8.4 (146 responses)
Action, Fit, & Finish 7.6 (142 responses)
Reliability/Durability 8.1 (136 responses)
Customer Support 8.0 (36 responses)
Overall Rating 8.6 (142 responses)

Peavey Rockingham 309euros
Features 7.6 (5 responses)
Sound 7.0 (5 responses)
Action, Fit, & Finish 7.0 (5 responses)
Reliability/Durability 7.0 (4 responses)
Customer Support 10.0 (1 response)
Overall Rating 9.8 (4 responses)

Cort Source 309euros
Features 7.5 (2 responses)
Sound 7.0 (2 responses)
Action, Fit, & Finish 8.0 (2 responses)
Reliability/Durability 9.0 (2 responses)
Customer Support N/A (0 responses)
Overall Rating 8.0 (2 responses)

Ibanez AG75 312euros
Features 7.7 (35 responses)
Sound 8.5 (38 responses)
Action, Fit, & Finish 8.4 (37 responses)
Reliability/Durability 8.5 (30 responses)
Customer Support 7.0 (5 responses)
Overall Rating 9.3 (37 responses)

Ibanez AS73 319euros
Features 8.6 (63 responses)
Sound 8.7 (66 responses)
Action, Fit, & Finish 8.8 (65 responses)
Reliability/Durability 8.8 (56 responses)
Customer Support 6.4 (12 responses)
Overall Rating 9.2 (62 responses)

Peavey JF-1 322euros
Features 7.8 (20 responses)
Sound 8.7 (19 responses)
Action, Fit, & Finish 7.5 (21 responses)
Reliability/Durability 8.1 (15 responses)
Customer Support 7.7 (7 responses)
Overall Rating 8.4 (20 responses)

Ibanez AF75 334euros
Features 8.9 (45 responses)
Sound 8.6 (48 responses)
Action, Fit, & Finish 8.7 (46 responses)
Reliability/Durability 9.0 (40 responses)
Customer Support 6.0 (11 responses)
Overall Rating 9.2 (45 responses)

Epiphone WildKat 350
Features 8.7 (46 responses)
Sound 8.9 (47 responses)
Action, Fit, & Finish 8.0 (47 responses)
Reliability/Durability 8.7 (42 responses)
Customer Support 9.3 (12 responses)
Overall Rating 8.9 (47 responses)

Ibanez AGS83 355euros
Features 7.9 (8 responses)
Sound 8.9 (8 responses)
Action, Fit, & Finish 8.7 (9 responses)
Reliability/Durability 8.7 (7 responses)
Customer Support 8.5 (2 responses)
Overall Rating 9.1 (9 responses)
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The best per parameter:
Features:
Ibanez AF75 334euros 8.9 (45 responses)
Epiphone WildKat 350 8.7 (46 responses)
Ibanez AS73 319euros 8.6 (63 responses)
Epiphone Dot 280euros 8.2 (140 responses)
Ibanez AGS83 355euros 7.9 (8 responses)
Peavey JF-1 322euros 7.8 (20 responses)
Ibanez AG75 312euros 7.7 (35 responses)
Peavey Rockingham 309euros 7.6 (5 responses)
Cort Source 309euros 7.5 (2 responses)
Epiphone Dot Studio 215euros 7.4 (45 responses)

Sound:
Ibanez AGS83 355euros 8.9 (8 responses)
Epiphone WildKat 350 8.9 (47 responses)
Ibanez AS73 319euros 8.7 (66 responses)
Peavey JF-1 322euros 8.7 (19 responses)
Ibanez AF75 334euros 8.6 (48 responses)
Ibanez AG75 312euros 8.5 (38 responses)
Epiphone Dot 280euros 8.4 (146 responses)
Epiphone Dot Studio 215euros 8.0 (44 responses)
Peavey Rockingham 309euros 7.0 (5 responses)
Cort Source 309euros 7.0 (2 responses)

Action, Fit & Finish: (Good Ibanez performance)
Ibanez AS73 319euros 8.8 (65 responses)
Ibanez AGS83 355euros 8.7 (9 responses)
Ibanez AF75 334euros 8.7 (46 responses)
Ibanez AG75 312euros 8.4 (37 responses)
Epiphone WildKat 350 8.0 (47 responses)
Epiphone Dot Studio 215euros 8.0 (41 responses)
Cort Source 309euros 8.0 (2 responses)
Epiphone Dot 280euros 7.6 (142 responses)
Peavey JF-1 322euros 7.5 (21 responses)
Peavey Rockingham 309euros 7.0 (5 responses)

Reliability/Durability:
Ibanez AF75 334euros 9.0 (40 responses)
Cort Source 309euros 9.0 (2 responses)
Ibanez AS73 319euros 8.8 (56 responses)
Ibanez AGS83 355euros 8.7 (7 responses)
Epiphone WildKat 350 8.7 (42 responses)
Ibanez AG75 312euros 8.5 (30 responses)
Peavey JF-1 322euros 8.1 (15 responses)
Epiphone Dot 280euros 8.1 (136 responses)
Epiphone Dot Studio 215euros 8.0 (42 responses)
Peavey Rockingham 309euros 7.0 (4 responses)

Customer Support:
Peavey Rockingham 309euros 10.0 (1 response)
Epiphone WildKat 350 9.3 (12 responses)
Ibanez AGS83 355euros 8.5 (2 responses)
Epiphone Dot 280euros 8.0 (36 responses)
Peavey JF-1 322euros 7.7 (7 responses)
Ibanez AG75 312euros 7.0 (5 responses)
Epiphone Dot Studio 215euros 6.6 (10 responses)
Ibanez AS73 319euros 6.4 (12 responses)
Ibanez AF75 334euros 6.0 (11 responses)
Cort Source 309euros N/A (0 responses)

Overall rating:
Peavey Rockingham 309euros 9.8 (4 responses)
Ibanez AG75 312euros 9.3 (37 responses)
Ibanez AS73 319euros 9.2 (62 responses)
Ibanez AF75 334euros 9.2 (45 responses)
Ibanez AGS83 355euros 9.1 (9 responses)
Epiphone WildKat 350 8.9 (47 responses)
Epiphone Dot Studio 215euros 8.9 (44 responses)
Epiphone Dot 280euros 8.6 (142 responses)
Peavey JF-1 322euros 8.4 (20 responses)
Cort Source 309euros 8.0 (2 responses)

Ibanez seems the best positioned for my budget.
#19
I am a Jazz major at my college, and for my audition I used my MIA tele. Really, you can get a jazz tone out of anything with a neck pickup and a tone knob. Get on the neck pickup, and tone it down so that it sounds thick and warm, but not thick enough that you lose note clarity (I usually put the knob at like 75%).

Really, as long as it has a neck pickup you can make any guitar a jazz guitar. I am putting EMGs in my tele, and I expect the EMG 60 to be my main jazz pickup. I do recommend a thin neck, though, as many chords you use will be needing you to use your thumb to hit the bass notes. A thick neck would make reaching around to fret the low notes uncomfortable, especially if you have small hands.
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#20
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The one time I wouldn't suggest a strat
The Ibanez Artcore guitars are definately worth it, great prices, probably the best "cheap" hollows about.

I completely agree.
I am going to buy one.
#21
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I am a Jazz major at my college, and for my audition I used my MIA tele. Really, you can get a jazz tone out of anything with a neck pickup and a tone knob. Get on the neck pickup, and tone it down so that it sounds thick and warm, but not thick enough that you lose note clarity (I usually put the knob at like 75%).

Really, as long as it has a neck pickup you can make any guitar a jazz guitar. I am putting EMGs in my tele, and I expect the EMG 60 to be my main jazz pickup. I do recommend a thin neck, though, as many chords you use will be needing you to use your thumb to hit the bass notes. A thick neck would make reaching around to fret the low notes uncomfortable, especially if you have small hands.


That's actually kinda wrong. You can have a thick neck and still play jazz. I've seen plenty of players play thick necks and play jazz music. What it boils down to is a flatter radius will be easier to do some of the chord stretches. Atleast that's the experience with me.

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The one time I wouldn't suggest a strat
The Ibanez Artcore guitars are definately worth it, great prices, probably the best "cheap" hollows about.


I disagree about the strats also. They can pull Jazz just as good as a hollow/semi-hollow. Besides, they add a bit of twang which sounds kinda cool with Jazz music.

TS, go to a music store and try out all the guitars in your price range, even no name brands. You don't have to have a hollow body or semi hollow body to play Jazz. Find what guitar appeals most to you, then choose that as the guitar you want.
#22
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That's actually kinda wrong. You can have a thick neck and still play jazz. I've seen plenty of players play thick necks and play jazz music. What it boils down to is a flatter radius will be easier to do some of the chord stretches. Atleast that's the experience with me.


I actually find that a thin neck lets more of the bottom of your hand loop over. This lets thumbing chords become more comfortable and quicker to form. My recommendation was a suggestion to the TS, don't act like I was forcing some kind of mantra down his throat. I never even said that thick necks were bad for jazz.
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#23
There's just one more thing to consider. Wood compensated or TOM bridge?
Most high end true archtop jazzbox guitars use the simple compensated wood bridge, and so do I. They sound better I think, more "brown tones", a classic sound. A TOM bridge gives the guitar a brighter, metallic sound, and I think the heaviness of it dampens the bridges function by the addition of its weight maybe.
The ES-335's, semi-hollows with sustain block are a whole different guitar, where a TOM is used.
Anyway, my best jazzbox archtop has a fine wooden compensated bridge by choice.
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