#1
Hi there is a guitar i really like but it has 22 frets. I play stuff like children of bodom and also neo classical things but i cannot be sure if i can play stuff like bodom with 22 frets. i know that even bodom doesnt go to 24 frets a lot but they still do sometimes. Will it be a problem for me and should i look for 24 fret guitars or 22 is fine? I dont care about neck pickup position just the notes i will be able to play.
#2
If you play children of bodom regularly, then I would imagine the lack of higher frets will gradually become more and more frustrating

Its so often the high point of a solo, and when you can't get to it then it feels incomplete
#3
Frets 22 and above are rarely ever used, and if they are then its usually just a quick tap or a simple sustained note. 22 frets are really all thats necessary.
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#6
the guitar can span 2 octaves with 24 notes, whereas a 22 fret one will just miss out.

not a deal breaker. To finish a solo, just pull a big bend on the 22nd. Ending on bends is cool anyway, like an emotional peak.
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Frets 22 and above are rarely ever used, and if they are then its usually just a quick tap or a simple sustained note. 22 frets are really all thats necessary.


That's is completely individual. Remember that the 24th fret makes an extra octave, while 22 frets, does not. Assuming that you are playing in key of whatever you've tuned your open string to, it can be cool to tap that fret, or even slide up to it for a high note. It's not necessary very often, but if his music even at times require it, then there's no reason not to have 24.
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It's very easy and sounds good to bend one step.
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Seriously, not only can you reach a full step higher, but also it makes it so much easier to play on the higher frets area ( like around the 19th )
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#12
You won't need the 23rd & 24th fret for most stuff, & if you do, you could just try to bend from the 22nd!
Although, I do love to have to option of using the 24th fret myself
& most the stuff I write myself, I don't solo or anything even using the 20th+ frets
#13
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It's very easy and sounds good to bend one step.



I'd like to see you bend to the high e in a swept Em arpeggio with the top note tapped at 200bmp.


Edit: there are other pluses to 24 frets. Now you can bend to the 26/27th (theoretically), you have 2 octaves on your fretboard, it also opens up a new set of natural harmonics and the deeper cutaway makes it more comfortable to play around the 15-19th frets.
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#14
There was just a thread on this same topic the other day

I know at least one time in the Megadeth "Blood in the Water" video I see Dave use the 24th... It's pretty darn fast I don't think you could possible bend at the 22nd at that speed.
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I'd like to see you bend to the high e in a swept Em arpeggio with the top note tapped at 200bmp.


Edit: there are other pluses to 24 frets. Now you can bend to the 26/27th (theoretically), you have 2 octaves on your fretboard, it also opens up a new set of natural harmonics and the deeper cutaway makes it more comfortable to play around the 15-19th frets.

No it doesn't - natural harmonics are nothing to do with the frets, they occur at fractions of the length of the string, therefore they're exactly the same regardless of the scale length or number of frets.
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No it doesn't - natural harmonics are nothing to do with the frets, they occur at fractions of the length of the string, therefore they're exactly the same regardless of the scale length or number of frets.



Well then allow me to rephrase

It gives you the precise location of the second octave of natural harmonics.
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#17
ok well if you have a 22 fret guitar you can bend a full step..maybe even a step and a half, but if you have a 24 you can bend up to basically a 26th or 27th fret. . .just saying. . .and tapping on the 24th sounds cool too
#18
In many of the solo's I play there is usually a fast run of hammer on's/pull'off's involving the 24th fret and it's in-convenient to bend up in the middle of the fast run.

And some of the solo's I play also require full step 24 fret bends.

It depends on what you play and what you prefer. I prefer 24 frets, but I really don't care about it to much.
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#19
Quote by StewieSwan
Well then allow me to rephrase

It gives you the precise location of the second octave of natural harmonics.


...you already have the "precise location", it's called the "5th fret". Harmonics are mirrored either side of the 12th fret so anything between the 12th fret and the bridge is exactly the same as what's between the 12th and the nut.
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#20
Wow its really confusing what to choose. The guitar is a jackson rr with 22 frets. i would like to have 24 but i cant find a guitar like that which is that cheap and that high quality (its a japan 93 model btw pro series)
#21
Its a nice guitar but you should really get 24 frets. Find another japson.
#22
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Wow its really confusing what to choose. The guitar is a jackson rr with 22 frets. i would like to have 24 but i cant find a guitar like that which is that cheap and that high quality (its a japan 93 model btw pro series)
Do you have another guitar with 24? That's what I'm doing. I have a Jackson RR3 with 22 frets and I have a Kelly with 24, so it's not really a huge problem for me.
#23
Buy a 27 fret just to piss off all these people who are against 24 frets
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Buy a 27 fret just to piss off all these people who are against 24 frets
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Ibanez Xiphos?!

This, or custom since I only know of the 27 fret Xipkos
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#26
I play bodom stuff and I have a 22 fret Jackson, sometimes I have to bend in the higher frets to reach the notes but it is ok most of the time.

The ausence of a floyd rose trem is a worst problem while playing bodom.
#27
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...you already have the "precise location", it's called the "5th fret". Harmonics are mirrored either side of the 12th fret so anything between the 12th fret and the bridge is exactly the same as what's between the 12th and the nut.



Huh, i didn't notice that before
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#28
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Buy a 27 fret just to piss off all these people who are against 24 frets

Don't stop there, go to 36! 3 octaves ftw!
#29
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Huh, i didn't notice that before


Or you could just memorize where the 24th fret harmonics are on a 22 fret in relation to the pickup. I strike 24 harmonics all the time on my 22 fret guitar.
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#30
^ha. I would actually like that but above the 27th they are pretty damn small and kind of dumb unless you have matchstick sized fingertips. At least it doesn't have jumbos. Also look how thick the neck is in the body, pretty useless.

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#31
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Don't stop there, go to 36! 3 octaves ftw!

I stand corrected... go for 36 frets
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#32
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above the 27th they are pretty damn small and kind of dumb unless you have matchstick sized fingertips.

Tapping with the pick maybe, but that's really it.
#33
Sometimes when people have 36 frets they go for whole tones only after a certain fret.
#34
take for instance "hanger 18" by megadeth. The last solo in the song and the ending note is a whole note bend off of the 24th fret. So for genres like megadeth 24 frets is a must. im having the same issue because im in love with the new dbz guitars but they all have 22 frets! its just stupid haha
#36
24 Frets only gives you 2 more notes, but I guess if you don`t want to bend you`ll need to get a 24 fretter. Jackson Dinkys have 24
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#37
I have both a 24 fret and a 22 fret guitar, and it doesn't really make a difference to me... but then again, I'm not really a "note-for-note" kind of guy....
#38
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well what I used to do was play children of bodom solos in E tuning so the 24th fret would become the 22nd fret because your not in D tuning,all the notes will be brought back 2 frets when playing in E,dya get what I mean???



yea thats ok for solos but how you gonna play rhythms and play power chords which cant be played in E standart like

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#39
Sometimes doing the 22nd fret bends could be an easy string breaker, since in COB's song "Blooddrunk" you do a full or full and a half step bend. So if you only had 22 frets, you could be bending your strings 2 full steps or 2.5 full steps. And breaking the string right at the highest point of a solo=fail
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Sometimes doing the 22nd fret bends could be an easy string breaker, since in COB's song "Blooddrunk" you do a full or full and a half step bend. So if you only had 22 frets, you could be bending your strings 2 full steps or 2.5 full steps. And breaking the string right at the highest point of a solo=fail


Not sure why, but that gets a lolstack from me

Hilarious actually picturing the reaction to that