#1
ive been lookin at getting a new guitar for a while cos the guitar i have at the moment i use the play metal stuff and leave it in drop c so id like another guitar to play things in standard tuning and i really like these 2. i would be playing stuff like ac/dc, black sabbath, led zep etc.

so what do people think would be the best choice and can anyone recommend anything else. thanks
#4
sg custom? or def the les paul custom.
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#5
Well 'DC and Sabbath both used SG's, Zeppelin used Les Pauls in the studio, from experience the SG has the longer neck scale and has better fret access, however the Les Paul has the deeper tone as a result of the larger overall mass, whiolst the SG is rather top-end-heavy, so you'll have to turn the treble on the amp down a bit, whilst boosting the bass N mids. I've owned an Epiphone Standard LP, and had to say I wasn't impressed with the sounds, but it played nicely enough, so I'm inclined to go for the SG
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#6
Try them.
I vouch for the G-400 because I own one, and love it .

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#7
I'd get the G-400. I love my LP (not an Epiphone, mind) but would kill for better upper fret access.

That, and everyone has an LP. Lots of people have an SG shape too, but not as many.

Also, Iommi played/plays an SG. And Iommi is awesome.

In the end though, best answer is for you to play both yourself and choose whichever you like more.
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#8
I have to say les paul because
a)SGs are very neck heavy and I never felt comfortable playing one
b)The SG has a thinner tone and is more trebly, the LPs is warmer and deeper
c)The Les Pauls look better
#9
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Quote by Rhoads_1096
I have to say les paul because
a)SGs are very neck heavy and I never felt comfortable playing one
b)The SG has a thinner tone and is more trebly, the LPs is warmer and deeper
c)The Les Pauls look better



Just to clarify a), SG's are not neck heavy in the sense that the neck is chunky or oversized, but Epi SG's have a different neck strap button location than Gibson SG's, and that button location makes the guitar not balanced at all. The neck isnt heavy, you just have to constantly hold the neck of an EPI SG because the weight is not balanced very well around the two strap buttons.

Needless to say, I used to own an SG-400 and sold it because I never could stand the neck dive. You of course can get used to it, so I dont fault anyone who owns and loves their SG's, but I personally never could get comfortable with it. It was always on my mind and annoying that I had to support the neck, especially while doing certain chords it felt unnatural.
#12
Quote by Rhoads_1096
I have to say les paul because
a)SGs are very neck heavy and I never felt comfortable playing one
b)The SG has a thinner tone and is more trebly, the LPs is warmer and deeper
c)The Les Pauls look better


A) Is true but as someone else said it's because of the strap button being located closer to the body. Also, my cousins G-400's neck is as thick as a baseball bat.

B) This is false. SG's are darker than an LP becuase of the lack of a maple cap on the SG. Although I would consider the tone thinner on an SG compared to an LP. But the thinner tone isn't exactly a bad thing, it all depends on what your going for.

C) I know this was just an opinion but I feel you should go with what plays better fo you. They're both good looking guitars so don't get too caught up in which looks cooler.
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#13
Neither.
The Epi LP Custom is no different from the Standard, except you're paying more for a different finish and ''gold'' hardware that will rub to bare brass in a few months.
The G-400 Custom's third pickup actually limits your tonal options and severely harms sustain, as well as adds in one more thing that can go wrong (which is a big concern, considering Epiphone's dodgy quality control). It's also the same issue as the Epi LP Custom, you're paying more for a certain look and cheap gold-coloured hardware for a guitar that won't actually be built or sound any better than a normal G-400.

Quote by GuitarDTO
Just to clarify a), SG's are not neck heavy in the sense that the neck is chunky or oversized, but Epi SG's have a different neck strap button location than Gibson SG's, and that button location makes the guitar not balanced at all. The neck isnt heavy, you just have to constantly hold the neck of an EPI SG because the weight is not balanced very well around the two strap buttons.
Actually, this is completely false. It used to be true, going back a few years, but the G-400's made now have the strap button in the 'correct' position, but more to the point the Epi's neck is considerably thicker than the traditional Gibson SG's '60's' neck.
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Well 'DC and Sabbath both used SG's, Zeppelin used Les Pauls in the studio, from experience the SG has the longer neck scale and has better fret access, however the Les Paul has the deeper tone as a result of the larger overall mass, whiolst the SG is rather top-end-heavy, so you'll have to turn the treble on the amp down a bit, whilst boosting the bass N mids. I've owned an Epiphone Standard LP, and had to say I wasn't impressed with the sounds, but it played nicely enough, so I'm inclined to go for the SG


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Well 'DC and Sabbath both used SG's, Zeppelin used Les Pauls in the studio,

Actually, the first few Zep albums were recorded with a Tele, and I think some of the songs on the first Sabbaath album were recorded on a strat.
#17
I'd go with the G-400, it's one of Epiphone's best made guitars (for the price), and.... I own one
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Quote by MrFlibble
The Epi LP Custom is no different from the Standard, except you're paying more for a different finish and ''gold'' hardware that will rub to bare brass in a few months.

Not strictly true. Some (admittedly not many) of them have different pickups. That said, you're generally correct there.
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#20
They're both fine guitars, it really just comes down to your preference.
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Quote by MrFlibble
Neither.
The Epi LP Custom is no different from the Standard, except you're paying more for a different finish and ''gold'' hardware that will rub to bare brass in a few months.
The G-400 Custom's third pickup actually limits your tonal options and severely harms sustain, as well as adds in one more thing that can go wrong (which is a big concern, considering Epiphone's dodgy quality control). It's also the same issue as the Epi LP Custom, you're paying more for a certain look and cheap gold-coloured hardware for a guitar that won't actually be built or sound any better than a normal G-400.

Actually, this is completely false. It used to be true, going back a few years, but the G-400's made now have the strap button in the 'correct' position, but more to the point the Epi's neck is considerably thicker than the traditional Gibson SG's '60's' neck.


Flibble, we got into this in another thread a few months back, but I think you are incorrect about this. Look at the pictures on Musiciansfriend of all of the Epiphone G400's (the ones that picture the back of the guitar). The neck joint, and button are both about an inch lower than on a Gibson SG. The Epiphone SG I sold was a 2008 model, and had this lower button location. I won't pretend to be an expert on when/which year models have which button location, but I am just going by the pictures and by the 2008 model I owned.

EDIT: Here is a picture of a Epiphone SG Prophecy....

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Epiphone-SG-CustomEX-with-EMG-8185-Pickups-Electric-Guitar?sku=515622

and a Gibson SG:

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-SG-Standard-Electric-Guitar?sku=517265

Regardless, this just emphasizes the importance of trying these guitars in person with a strap before buying.
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#22
Quote by melton100
Actually, the first few Zep albums were recorded with a Tele, and I think some of the songs on the first Sabbaath album were recorded on a strat.
Well... only the first album used the telecaster extensively, and it was used hear and there on other albums as well, but Page used a ton of different guitars in the studio, I don't think anyone really knows the full extent besides Page himself.

But live, his main guitar was always the les paul.
#23
All I have to say is: Get a Tokai.
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#24
Tokais are not in the same price range as Epiphones.

Unless you're talking about the MIK models which are really not any better.
#25
Quote by al112987
Tokais are not in the same price range as Epiphones.

Unless you're talking about the MIK models which are really not any better.

Perhaps not better spec wise but with everyone going on about QC I think Tokai win over Epi in that department.
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